HDR capability worth the extra money?

[PCFan]

I currently don't own a TV and I'm usually using the 32 inch LCD in the guest bedroom and I'm saving up for a 4k 40-43 inch LCD to put in my bedroom. Do the sets with HDR have higher static contrast ratios as a byproduct of HDR than the non-HDR sets? I just want to know if it's worth spending more to have HDR capability on a 4K set?

[KrugStillo]

Originally Posted by PCFan

I currently don't own a TV and I'm usually using the 32 inch LCD in the guest bedroom and I'm saving up for a 4k 40-43 inch LCD to put in my bedroom. Do the sets with HDR have higher static contrast ratios as a byproduct of HDR than the non-HDR sets? I just want to know if it's worth spending more to have HDR capability on a 4K set?

I have 4K Sony set and I don't see that it's any better with contrast than your better LED sets. I think the HDR thing is very specific to the content. I have yet to really see what it can do though cause I don't have a UHD player yet.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by PCFan

I currently don't own a TV and I'm usually using the 32 inch LCD in the guest bedroom and I'm saving up for a 4k 40-43 inch LCD to put in my bedroom. Do the sets with HDR have higher static contrast ratios as a byproduct of HDR than the non-HDR sets? I just want to know if it's worth spending more to have HDR capability on a 4K set?

Depends on your budget.

Tvs meant for hdr, will look great. The lower models that claim hdr have very questionable hdr performance.

[slimdude]

HDR is nothing but another artificial video enhancement.

[PCFan]

I noticed that Sony manufactures 2 43" 4K TVs. One retails for $700 and the one with HDR retails for $750 at Best Buy. The one with HDR has a 60Hz native refresh rate and the one without HDR has a 120Hz native refresh rate according to the specs at Sony's website. Am I better off getting the 120Hz set without HDR?

[KrugStillo]

Originally Posted by slimdude

HDR is nothing but another artificial video enhancement.

I'm staring to think this way as well. I was excited about getting a UHD player but now I'm not so sure. Not sure if I need to see my favorite films tweaked by the studios to promote a new enhancement feature. If it's meant to be seen that way then fine but I have a feeling half the titles out there right now with it were not director approved tweaks.

[azmodeous]

Originally Posted by KrugStillo

I'm staring to think this way as well. I was excited about getting a UHD player but now I'm not so sure. Not sure if I need to see my favorite films tweaked by the studios to promote a new enhancement feature. If it's meant to be seen that way then fine but I have a feeling half the titles out there right now with it were not director approved tweaks.

HDR is intended to be something that brings a film closer to the colour palette and expands the contrast to bring out finer details in an effort to bring a film closer to its intended look. We're still in the early days of a new format and studios are trying to go for the wow factor over accuracy and we're ending up with HDR transfers that have overly saturated colours (Fury Road). This reminds me a lot of what happened in the early days of blu-ray where studios were thinking no one wanted to see film grain in a high definition image and abused digital noise reduction (it can be used for good if used VERY sparingly) on a lot of catalogue titles. Ultimately studios realized that the large majoritty of people investing in blu-ray were film fans who tend to be purists about these kinds of things and you stopped hearing about such egregious transfers, I have a feeling the same will be the case with UHD blu-rays and HDR fairly quickly as well.

[Yungheat]

To me personally unless your really close to the tv you can't really tell a difference in PQ well at least for my tv I'm still very please with my kdl 65w850a Sony tv HDR and 4K Wichita I have nothing against but I'd still put my tv against any

[ray0414]

those that bash HDR, usually dont fully understand it and have never seen it in action.

this is from Marco Polo. The blowout in sky is corrected and the trees now have a deeper, more realistic green to it. also more detail in the tree bark.

[jibucha]

clearly, you would benefit by having an HDR display
what is confusing is that this is not commonly appreciated or understood
in time, as HDR confusion passes, you would not regret such a purchase
HDR (high dynamic range) & WCG (wide color gamut) are significant developments to improved picture quality (display technical advancements)
Dolby Vision ('premium improvements') would be even better
in time, if you are confused, i would simply not make any purchase until you are certain (time will tell)

Originally Posted by PCFan

I currently don't own a TV and I'm usually using the 32 inch LCD in the guest bedroom and I'm saving up for a 4k 40-43 inch LCD to put in my bedroom. Do the sets with HDR have higher static contrast ratios as a byproduct of HDR than the non-HDR sets? I just want to know if it's worth spending more to have HDR capability on a 4K set?

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by jibucha

clearly, you would benefit by having an HDR display
what is confusing is that this is not commonly appreciated or understood
in time, as HDR confusion passes, you would not regret such a purchase
HDR (high dynamic range) & WCG (wide color gamut) are significant developments to improved picture quality (display technical advancements)
Dolby Vision ('premium improvements') would be even better

Regardless how it's phrase, or what technical jargon is used to describe HDR, HDR is just another, new video enhancement. If the image didn't look like that in theaters, or on standard Blu-ray originally (the way the filmmaker had intended), then the picture is artificially enhanced with HDR.

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by slimdude

Regardless how it's phrase, or what technical jargon is used to describe HDR, HDR is just another, new video enhancement. If the image didn't look like that in theaters, or on standard Blu-ray originally (the way the filmmaker had intended), then the picture is artificially enhanced with HDR.

But they're also showing HDR-enhanced movies in theaters. Isn't that what Dolby Vision is?

[azmodeous]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

But they're also showing HDR-enhanced movies in theaters. Isn't that what Dolby Vision is?

Yep, and I remember hearing JJ Abrams saying that the Dolby Vision version of The Force Awakens was how he intended for that film to look. The only problem is that there's maybe a dozen theaters in the country that can show movies in Dolby Vision so a lot of people are missing out on how good any film can look. I think there's a lot of confusion that what people see in their home cinema is going to represent what the director intended when a large majority of theaters are ill equipped to show films at their best.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

But they're also showing HDR-enhanced movies in theaters. Isn't that what Dolby Vision is?

Forget HDR, Dolby Vision! Purist and myself prefer to see the movie the way the filmmaker wanted it to look. Movies are suppose to look like film, not like it was made with a video camcorder!

[bootman]

Everyone needs to look up wide color gamut before writing another misinformed comment about HDR.

As far as Dolby Vision, you do know that is is an HDR method right?

Everyone, please search for some good articles on this subject.

Here is one to start.

http://hometheaterhifi.com/technical...ill-want-them/

If you want a simple analogy HDR (and this includes DV) is to video as HD Audio is to sound.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by bootman

Everyone needs to look up wide color gamut before writing another misinformed comment about HDR.

As far as Dolby Vision, you do know that is is an HDR method right?

Everyone, please search for some good articles on this subject.

Here is one to start.

http://hometheaterhifi.com/technical...ill-want-them/

If you want a simple analogy HDR (and this includes DV) is to video as HD Audio is to sound.

Every journalist in the world can call it whatever they want, but basically HDR, Dolby Vision, DTS Vision, King Kong Vision, Toy Story Vision, etc is nothing but a video enhancement. Any visual alterations that's been artificially applied to an image, that was not initially made during the original filmmaking process is an enhancement... Manufactures have been creating and using new terminology for the same features for decades, solely just to sell a new product. This is how they make their money. If a person can afford to paid thousands of dollars for an UHDTV, they should be able to afford to pay an extra $300.00 to have it professionally calibrated by a certified ISF Technician and have the TV look the way it should, then they wouldn't need HDR.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by slimdude

Every journalist in the world can call it whatever they want, but basically HDR, Dolby Vision, DTS Vision, King Kong Vision, Toy Story Vision, etc is nothing but a video enhancement. Any visual alterations that's been artificially applied to an image, that was not initially made during the original filmmaking process is an enhancement... Manufactures have been creating and using new terminology for the same features for decades, solely just to sell a new product. This is how they make their money.

when Jon Favreau did the recently released Jungle Book movie, it was done with and for Dolby Vision 3D and recorded in Dolby ATMOS. this is exactly what he wanted and made. it was his vision and through his direction based on his knowledge of the technology and what it could do for his product and he was very happy with it. this movie was critically acclaimed and did very well at the box office and received technical praise for the use of the Dolby technologies it utilized.

check out the video in the link below.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/brands/do...ngle-book.html

so, sometimes, from the start, these technologies are exactly what the directors/studios want for their product. they offer video and audio technology that is simply not available on displays/audio systems that do not support them.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

when Jon Favreau did the recently released Jungle Book movie, it was done with and for Dolby Vision 3D and recorded in Dolby ATMOS. this is exactly what he wanted and made. it was his vision and through his direction based on his knowledge of the technology and what it could do for his product and he was very happy with it. this movie was critically acclaimed and did very well at the box office and received technical praise for the use of the Dolby technologies it utilized.

check out the video in the link below.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/brands/do...ngle-book.html

so, sometimes, from the start, these technologies are exactly what the directors/studios want for their product. they offer video and audio
technology that is simply not available on displays/audio systems that do not support them.

If they want to sabotage their own work by having their movie(s) look like it's been filmed with a camcorder (instead of film), and jump on the bandwagon because it's the latest fad, it won't last.

[bootman]

Originally Posted by slimdude

If they want to sabotage their own work by having their movie(s) look like it's been filmed with a camcorder (instead of film), and jump on the bandwagon because it's the latest fad, it won't last.

But that is not what this is.
You do know that movies in theaters have a wider color space than the sets we currently have at home?
So with HDR that will give us a wider color space at home and we will be seeing the director's vision finally on a P3 or soon a REC 2020 display!
If you don't know what P3 or Rec 2020 means then there is the problem.

More research on this topic is really needed here to get over all of this FUD.

[ray0414]

If someone thinks hdr is artificial, they don't understand what hdr is and have been misinformed by other people who are also misinformed.

In short, sdr grading and sdr monitors have NEVER been able to properly show the information originally captured in the negative. Hdr brings out the information that was always there, and hdr tvs can now display that information.

If you've seen the movie deadpool, but haven't seen the hdr version, you have not watched "the best version" according to the director.