what blurays are DNR?

[blu-bren]

can somebody compile a list of movies that are DNR to remove grain..
not that i want those discs..

is noise meant to be in bluray HD picture?
is it true that if u want sharpness in the picture..then there needs to be grain?
I do want sharpness

i just thought HD means no grain and all new and fixed up and as far from vhs PQ as possible

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by blu-bren

can somebody compile a list of movies that are DNR to remove grain..
not that i want those discs..

is noise meant to be in bluray HD picture?
is it true that if u want sharpness in the picture..then there needs to be grain?
I do want sharpness

i just thought HD means no grain and all new and fixed up and as far from vhs PQ as possible

I found it a little confusing at first too, but I realized that one must differentiate between "noise" and "grain." Film grain is small and subtle, and is the physical medium used to comprise the image in the first place. Removing the grain with DNR will smudge up details (most especially facial details, making them look waxy. Some of the worst DNR will mess up other details too). Noise I would classify as compression, artifacts, film print damage, scratches, dirt, macro-blocking, maybe EE, white specks, and all sorts of other things.

As for listing every single DNRed title, it's going to be a long list. Many movies use it to some extent, but all at varying levels. It might even be used for artistic effect.

[Shemp]

Good post Al.

There's definitely nothing wrong with a transfer that includes grain as that's how it was meant to be due to the film stock used. The new transfer of Predator is a classic example of how bad a film can look when excessive DNR is applied...as Al writes, that's when you end up with faces looking unnatural and waxy because the removal of grain also removes finer details from the picture.

[Rob Hunter]

i personally dont like grain

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by blu-bren

can somebody compile a list of movies that are DNR to remove grain..
not that i want those discs..

is noise meant to be in bluray HD picture?
is it true that if u want sharpness in the picture..then there needs to be grain?
I do want sharpness

i just thought HD means no grain and all new and fixed up and as far from vhs PQ as possible

If a movie is shot on film there will be grain, and chances are if a film is shot digitally in darker scenes (at the very least) there will be noise. HD does not mean no grain, it means that you finally can see the grain as there is enough picture information know. When something is shot on film, the grain is the image. The more picture information a format is able to hold the more grain you will be able to see ceteris paribus.

By removing grain/digital noise one reduces the level of sharpness, which tends to result in a waxy looking picture and people. If you want to see what a DNR'ed image looks like see the original release of Gladiator, Patton, or the fellowship of the ring (in particular when Gandalf is at the Baggins residence).

DNR isn't the enemy, and is often used on films to even the amount of grain between shots out. Casino Royale is a refernce blu-ray, and has some minor dnr applied, although it is done in such a way that you don't see it. Kick Ass usses Dnr over the villain to give him a somewhat comic book appearance. This is all find, the issue is when it was not intended to be used (eg: the people making the transfer just decide to add it), and especially when it is used extensevly.

[Hoot]

Good posts guys, very interesting, for me too much grain kills the movie, Dont get me started on Ghostbusters

and i tend to think the Predator: Ultimate Hunter edition was way better than the original blu version.

I want crisp clean sharpness from my Blu's

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Hoot

Good posts guys, very interesting, for me too much grain kills the movie, Dont get me started on Ghostbusters

and i tend to think the Predator: Ultimate Hunter edition was way better than the original blu version.

I want crisp clean sharpness from my Blu's

Then use the noise reduiction feature on your tv. The problem is, is if the blu-ray has already had the proccess applied the people who wish to watch it the way it was meant to be watched cannot.