using a receiver with Outlaw 950 pre/pro - Blu-ray Forum

ewsjr · 11-28-2010, 04:13 PM

So my sister is buying my old HT equipment to use in her basement (small area about 20x20, if that). I have set up my Outlaw 950 pre/pro for a simple stereo setup (using a 65 watt amplifier for the two front speakers). Eventually I will be changing it to a full 5.1 setup (with a powered subwoofer) so my question is is it okay to just find her a relatively inexpensive receiver to power the front three speaker (moving the 65 watt amp to the rears) instead of investing in a three-channel amplifier? She just wants a decent sound system (she is actually thrilled at how nice the stereo set-up sounds) so were not talking anything big or major frills at all here. I've seen open box receivers with enough power at Best Buy and other places for a decent price ($200-400 dollars). I'm assuming that I can just connect the speakers to a receiver and then run the connections for the receiver to the Outlaw, correct? Never had any experience with this sort of thing so any advice will be greatly appreciated. thanks.

Sciatti · 12-01-2010, 04:54 AM

That's a good plan. Just be sure the receiver you get has pre-outs. They will be needed if using an external amp. Kudos for helping out your sister!

prerich · 12-01-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ewsjr

So my sister is buying my old HT equipment to use in her basement (small area about 20x20, if that). I have set up my Outlaw 950 pre/pro for a simple stereo setup (using a 65 watt amplifier for the two front speakers). Eventually I will be changing it to a full 5.1 setup (with a powered subwoofer) so my question is is it okay to just find her a relatively inexpensive receiver to power the front three speaker (moving the 65 watt amp to the rears) instead of investing in a three-channel amplifier? She just wants a decent sound system (she is actually thrilled at how nice the stereo set-up sounds) so were not talking anything big or major frills at all here. I've seen open box receivers with enough power at Best Buy and other places for a decent price ($200-400 dollars). I'm assuming that I can just connect the speakers to a receiver and then run the connections for the receiver to the Outlaw, correct? Never had any experience with this sort of thing so any advice will be greatly appreciated. thanks.

That's a big negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full

!!!! Preouts on a receiver allow an amp to be used with a reciever. The 950 is a preamp/processor - you are trying to access the receivers amplification section - this would require what could be called pre-ins to go to the preout of the Outlaw. You must buy a multi-channel amp because I haven't heard of a receiver that allows you to use it as a multi-channel amp. Go to Audiogon and get her a used 3 or 5 channel amp, easy to find - and you can find them cheap.

Here's a decent Rotel amp for $340 http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....&/Rotel-RB-985 and it's a 5 channel amp 100 watts per.

ewsjr · 12-01-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by prerich

That's a big negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full

!!!! Preouts on a receiver allow an amp to be used with a reciever. The 950 is a preamp/processor - you are trying to access the receivers amplification section - this would require what could be called pre-ins to go to the preout of the Outlaw. You must buy a multi-channel amp because I haven't heard of a receiver that allows you to use it as a multi-channel amp. Go to Audiogon and get her a used 3 or 5 channel amp, easy to find - and you can find them cheap.

Here's a decent Rotel amp for $340 http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....&/Rotel-RB-985 and it's a 5 channel amp 100 watts per.

Well, thanks for confirming what I suspected. I have been checking Audigon just in case so I'll look into that amp.

Big Daddy · 12-01-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by prerich

That's a big negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full

!!!! Preouts on a receiver allow an amp to be used with a reciever. The 950 is a preamp/processor - you are trying to access the receivers amplification section - this would require what could be called pre-ins to go to the preout of the Outlaw. You must buy a multi-channel amp because I haven't heard of a receiver that allows you to use it as a multi-channel amp. Go to Audiogon and get her a used 3 or 5 channel amp, easy to find - and you can find them cheap.

Here's a decent Rotel amp for $340 http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....&/Rotel-RB-985 and it's a 5 channel amp 100 watts per.

Some of the older AV receivers such as the NAD 773 in the following diagram had pre-outs and main-ins for all the channels. They were connected with removable jumpers.

This allowed a great deal of flexibility as you could use the built-in amplifiers for other applications such as bi-amping. For example, you could use Y adapters (1 male, 2 female) and run one set of RCA cables from pre-outs for fronts to the main-ins for fronts and another set of RCA cables from pre-outs for fronts to the main-ins for back channels. With this modification, it would be possible to use the front speaker terminals for high frequency drivers and back channel speaker terminals for low frequency drivers.

Most new A/V receivers do not have main-ins for all the channels. A few of the high-end models such as the Denon 5308CI receiver have this option.

I own a Yamaha DSP-A3090 A/V receiver that I bought several years ago. The pre-outs and main-ins are connected with jumpers. I can use the built-in amplifiers for other needs.

prerich · 12-02-2010, 12:52 PM

Thanks BD! I new there was a proper name for those type of inputs ... main in for each channel. I haven't seen them for multipule channels until now (I know the Outlaw doesn't have them). I'm an avid Yamaha fan (because of their connectivity) but didn't realize that about the 3090 (during that phase of Yamaha I defected to Fosgate Audionics - the 3A THX prepro - yeah baby!!!)

Oh BD I'm picking up my Wharfedale SW380's (2) today!!!! Early Christmas present!

Big Daddy · 12-03-2010, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by prerich

Thanks BD! I new there was a proper name for those type of inputs ... main in for each channel. I haven't seen them for multipule channels until now (I know the Outlaw doesn't have them). I'm an avid Yamaha fan (because of their connectivity) but didn't realize that about the 3090 (during that phase of Yamaha I defected to Fosgate Audionics - the 3A THX prepro - yeah baby!!!)

Oh BD I'm picking up my Wharfedale SW380's (2) today!!!! Early Christmas present!

Congratulations. Wharfedale makes good products and sells them at reasonable prices.

prerich · 12-03-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Congratulations. Wharfedale makes good products and sells them at reasonable prices.

Well BD these are the ones that retail for $2499.00 (but I didn't pay that for them) its their top of the line model that goes with the Opus line. Sealed subs are nice and verry musical!!!! Can't wait to put the Behringer dcx2496 on them this weekend! OK, I'm throught hijacking this thread - you may exit the plane safely now.

ewsjr · 12-03-2010, 10:34 PM

Just to get things back on track I've heeded the advice of the many experts here and have my eye on a Carver AV-405 5 Channel Amplifier on eBay. hoping to pick it up for under $100. Figure that will work well with my sister's new set-up AND leave her two free channels in case she wants to go 7.1. Two days to go!
P.S. one extra question for the experts: Used 16 gauge speaker wire for the two speakers she has now, should I have her pick up the same gauge or would 14 or 12 be better? the longest run for a rear speaker is probably around 18 ft. to the amp. everything else is much closer. thanks much.

prerich · 12-03-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ewsjr

Just to get things back on track I've heeded the advice of the many experts here and have my eye on a Carver AV-405 5 Channel Amplifier on eBay. hoping to pick it up for under $100. Figure that will work well with my sister's new set-up AND leave her two free channels in case she wants to go 7.1. Two days to go!
P.S. one extra question for the experts: Used 16 gauge speaker wire for the two speakers she has now, should I have her pick up the same gauge or would 14 or 12 be better? the longest run for a rear speaker is probably around 18 ft. to the amp. everything else is much closer. thanks much.

14 gauge should be enough

11-28-2010, 04:13 PM	#1
ewsjr Special Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Akron, Ohio Home Theater Gallery:78	using a receiver with Outlaw 950 pre/pro So my sister is buying my old HT equipment to use in her basement (small area about 20x20, if that). I have set up my Outlaw 950 pre/pro for a simple stereo setup (using a 65 watt amplifier for the two front speakers). Eventually I will be changing it to a full 5.1 setup (with a powered subwoofer) so my question is is it okay to just find her a relatively inexpensive receiver to power the front three speaker (moving the 65 watt amp to the rears) instead of investing in a three-channel amplifier? She just wants a decent sound system (she is actually thrilled at how nice the stereo set-up sounds) so were not talking anything big or major frills at all here. I've seen open box receivers with enough power at Best Buy and other places for a decent price ($200-400 dollars). I'm assuming that I can just connect the speakers to a receiver and then run the connections for the receiver to the Outlaw, correct? Never had any experience with this sort of thing so any advice will be greatly appreciated. thanks.

12-01-2010, 04:54 AM	#2
Sciatti Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Maui, HI 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:453	That's a good plan. Just be sure the receiver you get has pre-outs. They will be needed if using an external amp. Kudos for helping out your sister!

12-02-2010, 12:52 PM	#6
prerich Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Home Theater Gallery:50 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:2	Thanks BD! I new there was a proper name for those type of inputs ... main in for each channel. I haven't seen them for multipule channels until now (I know the Outlaw doesn't have them). I'm an avid Yamaha fan (because of their connectivity) but didn't realize that about the 3090 (during that phase of Yamaha I defected to Fosgate Audionics - the 3A THX prepro - yeah baby!!!) Oh BD I'm picking up my Wharfedale SW380's (2) today!!!! Early Christmas present!

12-03-2010, 10:34 PM	#9
ewsjr Special Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Akron, Ohio Home Theater Gallery:78	Just to get things back on track I've heeded the advice of the many experts here and have my eye on a Carver AV-405 5 Channel Amplifier on eBay. hoping to pick it up for under $100. Figure that will work well with my sister's new set-up AND leave her two free channels in case she wants to go 7.1. Two days to go! P.S. one extra question for the experts: Used 16 gauge speaker wire for the two speakers she has now, should I have her pick up the same gauge or would 14 or 12 be better? the longest run for a rear speaker is probably around 18 ft. to the amp. everything else is much closer. thanks much.

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