blurry picture during movement

[pixler]

I have a 1080P Panasonic Plasma, and and whenever there's movement during a Blu ray movie, the picture gets blurry, especially when the movement is fast. Any reason why this happens?

[fairchild]

What exact model do you have. You are probably seeing judder which is associated with most Plasma's (some of the high-end models do come with an even 24hz mode).

In most fast panning shots (either vertically or horizontally) you will notice judder unless you are running in a 24hz mode (48hz, 72hz, 96hz).

The only time I've noticed blur when watching a blu-ray (that wasn't associated with a fast panning shot), was while watching Underworld Evolution. There's a scene where they are driving away in a pick-up truck and are fighting one of the vampires and the action is so fast that the blur is evident.

On my set, if you enable Blur Reduction, it lowers the blur some what. I don't use this feature though because it adds frame insertion/interpolation and I don't want an unnatural looking image.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by fairchild

What exact model do you have. You are probably seeing judder which is associated with most Plasma's (some of the high-end models do come with an even 24hz mode).

That's a very misleading statement. Judder is present on ALL displays that do not have a true 24p playback mode. It is not a plasma-only issue.

As for true motion-blur, I'm not sure what to tell you. Plasma technoloy is the best out there in terms of dealing with blur due to the fast pixel response time. Are you sure this "blur" is not something that's supposed to be in the film? Do you see it with all fast action, including broadcast/cable?

[fairchild]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

That's a very misleading statement. Judder is present on ALL displays that do not have a true 24p playback mode. It is not a plasma-only issue.

You can miscontrued my statement if that works for you, but the fact of the matter my comment is appropriate for the OP's post.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by pixler

I have a 1080P Panasonic Plasma, and and whenever there's movement during a Blu-ray movie, the picture gets blurry, especially when the movement is fast. Any reason why this happens?

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

Are you sure this "blur" is not something that's supposed to be in the film? Do you see it with all fast action, including broadcast/cable?

It's most likely inherent to the source as Ricshoe is suggesting. Since film is shot at only 24fps, camera movement, including pans and the so-called "shaky cam," can result in the image being blurry because the camera is moving while the aperture is open.

Out of curiosity, what do you have the set's sharpness set at? I would suggest reducing sharpness to it's minimum setting, so that no artifacts are being created because of any internal processing within the television.

[pixler]

My sharpness is set at 0 and I don't notice any motion blur while I watch tv, only on blu rays

[pixler]

If it helps, I compare it to the same kind of motion blur you see when you watching a movie at the theaters.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by fairchild

You can miscontrued my statement if that works for you, but the fact of the matter my comment is appropriate for the OP's post.

How does one misconstrue the statement "You are probably seeing judder which is associated with most Plasma's" in any way other than how it was written? It implies this is something inherent in plasma only, which is simply not rue.

Simply replace "plasma" with "any of today's displays that do not have true 24p playback", and the comment would then be factual and appropriate.

[fairchild]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

How does one misconstrue the statement "You are probably seeing judder which is associated with most Plasma's" in any way other than how it was written? It implies this is something inherent in plasma only, which is simply not rue.

Simply replace "plasma" with "any of today's displays that do not have true 24p playback", and the comment would then be factual and appropriate.

Well seeing how you failed at properly quoting me to try to make your point, that's how. If you are going to quote me, please do it correctly. I stated "You are probably seeing judder which is associated with most Plasma's (some of the high-end models do come with an even 24hz mode)."

Notice those bent lines with some added text inserted between then that is followed by a period? Well in that text I did state that some plasma's do have a 24hz mode that will help with the judder, and since the original poster has a plasma, I didn't feel the need to mention all other displays which have problems with 24hz judder. This forum has a ton of info about this topic, and after reading my post, if he wanted to go more in depth about the issue, he can do a simple search on these forums.

I have a plasma and an LCD, so I am not a fanboy of either nor am I trying to bash plasma's by not mentioning that "all display techs that do not have a multiple of 24hz refresh rate" have judder problems with cinematic blu-rays.

Anyways, I don't think the OP really cares that much to remedy his issues as he didn't even respond to some questions in my original reply to him.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by pixler

If it helps, I compare it to the same kind of motion blur you see when you watching a movie at the theaters.

I think this answers your question. If you are seeing the same motion blur on your set, that you do when watching it at the theater, then the blur is part of the original source material.

There are some displays which offer frame interpolation, which could smooth out that motion, but many(myself included) do not like the effect in regards to film watching.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by fairchild

Well seeing how you failed at properly quoting me to try to make your point, that's how. If you are going to quote me, please do it correctly. I stated "You are probably seeing judder which is associated with most Plasma's (some of the high-end models do come with an even 24hz mode)."

Notice those bent lines with some added text inserted between then that is followed by a period? Well in that text I did state that some plasma's do have a 24hz mode that will help with the judder, and since the original poster has a plasma, I didn't feel the need to mention all other displays which have problems with 24hz judder. This forum has a ton of info about this topic, and after reading my post, if he wanted to go more in depth about the issue, he can do a simple search on these forums.

I have a plasma and an LCD, so I am not a fanboy of either nor am I trying to bash plasma's by not mentioning that "all display techs that do not have a multiple of 24hz refresh rate" have judder problems with cinematic blu-rays.

Anyways, I don't think the OP really cares that much to remedy his issues as he didn't even respond to some questions in my original reply to him.

Allow me to demonstrate in simpler terms:

OP - "Wow, driving my Chey in the snow I notice it handles horribly. Any reason why this happens?"

Response - "Well, what exact model do you have? You are probably experienceing a traction problem, which is associated with most GM products (some of the higher end models do come with traction control to address this)."

From that statement, one could infer that only GM products have traction problems, rather than ANY vehicle without traction control. You can argue and attempt to justify what was implied, but the simple fact is that the original statement IS misleading to those who do not fully understand cars (or displays...). That's all I was saying, and it should have ended there. No biggie. Everything else you posted was factual, and should have helped the OP.

Now, if you wish to continue this ridiculous argument as to whether or not the sky is blue, go right ahead on your own, as I will no longer waste any more keystrokes on this. Good day to you.

[Zen_Amako]

I noticed the judder myself when I first got my Panasonic plasma. It was because I was used to my rear projection LCD, which smoothed it over somewhat. The blur, as others have said, is in the source, however. You'd see the same thing at the movie theater, but you may not be used to seeing it happen at home.

[Atreyu]

Not sure if your problem is inherint in plasmas or not as I don't seem to have a problem watching blus on my 37 inch LCD TV.

[pixler]

Thanks everyone for the advice and help. I'm new to HDTV's so maybe I just need to get use to it. It really didn't bother me until I watched Devil on my TV and the judder in that movie is BAD! Thanks again

[fairchild]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

Allow me to demonstrate in simpler terms:

OP - "Wow, driving my Chey in the snow I notice it handles horribly. Any reason why this happens?"

Response - "Well, what exact model do you have? You are probably experienceing a traction problem, which is associated with most GM products (some of the higher end models do come with traction control to address this)."

From that statement, one could infer that only GM products have traction problems, rather than ANY vehicle without traction control. You can argue and attempt to justify what was implied, but the simple fact is that the original statement IS misleading to those who do not fully understand cars (or displays...). That's all I was saying, and it should have ended there. No biggie. Everything else you posted was factual, and should have helped the OP.

Now, if you wish to continue this ridiculous argument as to whether or not the sky is blue, go right ahead on your own, as I will no longer waste any more keystrokes on this. Good day to you.

Your example is flawed in various ways, but I'm not going to get into it, since I too grow weary of this back and forth.

First of all, the reason I asked about his model number was 2-fold. I wanted to see if he possibly had a Panasonic that had a 24hz film mode to minimize any possible 2:3 pulldown he was experiencing. Secondly, I wanted to see if his model might have a Blur Reduction type feature that I could suggest him to turn on.

Again, if you want to make opinions on my post and the way that I "delivered" my message then so be it, but to me it's been miscontrued and I gave my reasons for this in a previous post.

[frascati]

most of the following may pertain...

http://www.projectorcentral.com/judder_24p.htm

I'm dealing with this currently with my PN50C550 and am hoping that a recent firmware update, said to deal specifically with this issue will help.

I have noticed that HD sports programming seems to be a good indication of whether you're problem is indeed 24fps issue or something other. A fast football game is full of movement and panning and it's flawless on my television set. That's because it was filmed digitally to begin with.. right? So I believe it's a 24fps issue.