Expert HELP Needed Please Bose Cinemate or Wireless HTiB - Blu-ray Forum

guitarkore · 02-20-2011, 08:06 PM

Hello, first time poster here. I apologize in advance if something like this has been asked or posted on these forums before, however like I said I'm new to these forums. My thanks to all who read through this and reply back in advance. It will be a little lengthy, for I want to give you as much detail as possible.

I'm in a bit of a spot here. Last night after going to Best Buy I bought the Bose Cinemate Series II. I was suckered into the display. And I was blown away by the sound it created. So I tried to convince the wife to get it. One of my selling points were there are only two speakers. And that no longer would there be wires running along the wall. I also though it would sound good in our living room since it is pretty small. So we purchased it. I brought it home hooked it up. And watched Terminator 2 Skynet Edition on Blu Ray(because it has the THX Test on it) I watched a bit of the movie, mainly watching the action scenes, and a few talking scenes and was satisfied with my purchase.

However when I was looking for Speaker stands for the speakers, I somehow come across some negative reviews of the system. I found a few people bashing the system, mainly on these forums, thus why I created the account and thought I'd ask you guys, the experts in my opinion.

Like I said I was impressed with my purchase. This alone should have been enough but I am a bit concerned with what people said about the system. And quite frankly it makes a bit of sense. What's the big issue I'm concerned about? I was reading that when watching Blu Ray's with HD-dts or Dolby-HD My system will be downgraded to stereo sound. Of course there's only 2 speakers so it technically is always stereo sound. But when watching T:2 I thought it put out much better sound then my Home Theater before The Bose. The Sony BDV-T10.

So here are the questions. Is there fact to the claims that I will losing out with the HD Audio in Blu-Rays? If so can anyone suggest a decent sounding Home Theater in a Box with Wireless Surround? It's needs to be wireless so I can still try to sell the idea to the wife that there will be less clutter with wires.

I'm not really an "Audiophile" by any means. But I do want the best sound possible for the money. I don't need to spend $1,000 on a home theater, that's way too much. I would like to stay under $600-$700

I have a 55" Samsung LN55C650 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036WT3TS

I use my home theater set up to watch Movies, Play Xbox 360, and Play PS3.

My home theater space is as I said pretty small. I'd say our Home Theater area is about 16' x 10'. With the 16-ft being the distance between what would be the Surround Sound Speakers, and the 10-ft being the distance from the TV to the center couch.

Again thanks so much for reading through this lengthy thing. I hope I included as much detail as I could to get some opinions around here. As I said I consider you guys to be the experts here. You are the consumers, just like myself. Your not the guy at Best Buy or some other electronics store just trying to sell me the most expensive system I'm willing to pay for.

guitarkore · 02-20-2011, 08:08 PM

Sweet first serious post and I mess up the title. HTiB...My Bad

JJ · 02-20-2011, 08:28 PM

Well, if the wife's opinion of aesthetics matter to you, then with that $600, the best you could do is a Home Theater in a Box, with little speakers.

OR!

How much was that Cinemate?

Why don't you get these, beautiful sounding little speakers:
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...ack-NEW/1.html

The KEF KHT1005 - then pair them with a Onkyo 608

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR608...8237237&sr=8-1

Add another $50-$100 for speaker wire from http://www.monoprice.com/home/index.asp!

And Kapow! $900ish for a great looking/great sounding system on a budget.

Other folks do try to tell you that you should start with your two front channels and build from there, but some folks can't do that or won't. If you don't want to, then of course we can understand.

EDIT: Oh wait, you said $600-$700. Dagnabit. Hold on a sec.

Why do you need speaker stands? Just mount on wall and run wires behind the drywall. It's really quite easy, btw.

And yes, there is a lot of hype in Bose. They aren't bad speakers, but they're just overpriced for what they do.

Great TV there though!

crackinhedz · 02-20-2011, 08:38 PM

You can still get Lossless audio from 2 channel (stereo) ... but the problem that would bother me is the center channel dialogue. With a dedicated center channel (5.1) you can hear the dialogue much better than a stereo setup. The dialogue using sterero, kinda gets lost in the mix with the other channels. To compensate you might find you will need to apply some form of dynamic range compression.

If you like what you hear (and the wife is happy!) then no reason to change...but if in the back of your mind you do want something better, the by all means use the return policy and get something better.

Me personally, I would look into a receiver with possible 5.1/7.1 connections...you can always use two speakers until you need true surround sound down the road. With your current setup, you will always be limited to stereo sound.

guitarkore · 02-20-2011, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ

Well, if the wife's opinion of aesthetics matter to you, then with that $600, the best you could do is a Home Theater in a Box, with little speakers.

EDIT: Oh wait, you said $600-$700. Dagnabit. Hold on a sec.

Why do you need speaker stands? Just mount on wall and run wires behind the drywall. It's really quite easy, btw.

And yes, there is a lot of hype in Bose. They aren't bad speakers, but they're just overpriced for what they do.

Great TV there though!

Yeah $600-$700 is my limit. I'll spend over a Grand on a TV no problem. But I don't need $1,000 value sound. It's not in my budget and its not really what I need.

I've never run wire through a wall before but I just did a search on youtube and it doesn't look too complicated. I still would want wireless Surrounds though. I'm not looking to run wire through the ceiling or anything.

Nice Home Theater Setup btw...how do you get the Blue and Yellow Light effects going on?

guitarkore · 02-21-2011, 03:10 AM

Not as responsive of a forum as I thought

JJ · 02-21-2011, 03:29 AM

For a great HTiB at that price, I'd just go with one of Onkyo's offerings -

The Onkyo HT-S series.

The HT-S6300, say, from Amazon.com $500, spend the rest on wiring.

Beta Man · 02-21-2011, 04:39 AM

A couple of things at play.....

"No" you certainly won't be able to get the HD-Audio codecs with the Bose....

BUT.... you said you were happy (or at least impressed, which is pretty much the same thing) So worse case scenario, you just spent $600 or so on something that makes you happy... not too shabby in my opinion

I think however, you would be much better served getting either:

1) receiver, and a Front L/R speaker, and a sub

or

2) receiver L/R/C speaker

Sure you won't have "surrounds" but you don't have that now.... In the future, you may want to get a center speaker or sub (depending on whether you went with option 1 or 2

) and surrounds can be later.... but the beauty of this method, is the "choice" you can add to a receiver at any time.... the bose is all proprietary, and if you get it now, it's always going to do what it does now.... you can't add to it.

$600.... (or so

)

$150

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html

A Pair of these ($550) Normally $800 each.... only reason I tweaked your budget.... sorry

Free shipping though

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...h&SSAID=101512

EDIT:

not sure if speaker "Size" (or lack of that is) is important to your wife.... if so, I have these in a room, and you could get a couple of them to begin with rather than the large towers, and you'll be VERY happy with their performance.

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...eatre/M-1.html

callas01 · 02-21-2011, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guitarkore

Yeah $600-$700 is my limit. I'll spend over a Grand on a TV no problem. But I don't need $1,000 value sound. It's not in my budget and its not really what I need.

I've never run wire through a wall before but I just did a search on youtube and it doesn't look too complicated. I still would want wireless Surrounds though. I'm not looking to run wire through the ceiling or anything.

Nice Home Theater Setup btw...how do you get the Blue and Yellow Light effects going on?

OK... here is a response.

I think your logic is totally flawed. Why spend $1k or more on a TV, and then kill the movie experience with crappy sound? You might as well just go to the drive-in.

Half of the movie experience is visual, the other half is auditory. When you watch a movie, other then a chick flick, but even some of those, have audio mixes that are meant to be maximised by movie theaters and home theater systems.

Audio mixes are meant to be the drving force behind what you see on the screen. Ever watch a scary movie without the volume on? Not so scary is it. Now take an action film. There is bass effects, sound effects that every HTiB struggle to produce properly. Ill give you an example. My sales rep, he was at my house one night after work for a football game, we watched Ironman 2 and Band of Brothers instead, he went home to tell his wife how much they had to get a HT system. About 2 weeks later he went to his friends house and the guy had just bought a Bose system. So they decided to watch Ironman 2, he was pushing for it to see how it sould stack up, he came back to work the next day to tell me how unimpressive the movie experience was at his friends house. One thing he noted, was that during the race in Monoco on IM2 at my house you could hear the sizzle of the whips, the zaps as they hit the ground, the electrical charge in the whips. On the other system, he said you basically just heard it hit the ground, and that there was no power to the sound, he didn't feel like he was at the race like he did at my house, he didn't feel like he was in the car with Pepper Potts when the car was being attacked like when he was at my house. When we watched Band of Brothers, he was amazed that when a bomb went off, that you could hear the slam of the bomb hit the ground, you then heard the falling dirt hit the ground. Sitting here, he felt like he had to dodge the bullets. He was amazed that you could hear the bullets flying thru the leaves of trees, not just flying by you.

Of course, we all have to deal with wifes/spouse's and other facts, but to short change the audio side of the movie experience is, IMO, unthinkable.

Id say go with either the Kef system, Onkyo system, Energy speakers or B&W speakers.....Otherwise, save yourself $600 and listen to your TV speakers.

guitarkore · 02-21-2011, 06:44 AM

Thanks for all of the responses guys.

callas: I do want great sound. Don't get me wrong. But I'm just not willing to spend $1,000 to get it. Instead I want to get the best sound possible for the amount of money I am willing to spend. Also consider the fact that my the home theater part of my living room is quite small. So to spend $1,000 or more probably isn't necessary I would think.

I have decided, and convinced the wife to let me get rid of the bose. She's not exactly happy about it, but I told her i'd put the wires through the walls, paint them white so they can blend into the walls when I run them along the trim, and will make them look as nice and neat as possible.

Anybody have any tips from personal experience as to how to run wires through the ceiling and the wall?

Also I'm considering this system

Samsung HT-C6600http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003S3QZDC/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I've researched it on google and it seems to get pretty nice reviews. It's normally a $500 system but it's on sale at amazon for $368 which is quite the price cut. Plus I really like the look of it. Of course the look is not the important part of my surround sound but it is a nice touch.

What do you all think about this?

Petra_Kalbrain · 02-21-2011, 11:01 AM

AVOID BOSE AT ALL COST! BOSE BLOWS!

Any situation that involves BOSE pricing as a comparative measure will be able to yield a significant improvement in quality and longevity for the same price by researching other brands.

Onkyo is always the safe bet for an economically priced system that produces quality results. It's often viewed as the best "bang for your cheapass buck" option.

JJ · 02-21-2011, 12:19 PM

Guitarkore - I'm telling you, use one of the Onkyo systems!

If that one is $400, step down fromthe one I suggested to the Onkyo HTS-5300.

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-HT-S5300...8294296&sr=8-1

Samsung customer service is terrible and their HTiBs are "decent" at best, I had their TX75 unit for a year and it was "eh"

Not to mention the Onkyo package includes an ACTUAL receiver - The SR508, not one of those crappy crammed HTiB "receiver" units from bigger companies.

Beta Man · 02-21-2011, 01:54 PM

For running in-wall/ceiling wires (What's under this living room??? It may be better to run them under the floor rather than above the ceiling.... it all depends on what is more accessible)

You'll want these:

Available at any HD or Lowes: This 25' one is only $4 and way longer than you'd need:

Then get these from Monoprice: $1.50 each and no need to run wires along baseboards and paint them etc..... much cleaner look....

You put these between the studs.... just trace, cut a hole in the drywall, insert, and secure.... then the speaker plate screws into it flush with your wall...... piece of cake, comes in singles or packs of 6 or so from HD or Lowes for a few dollars:

crackinhedz · 02-21-2011, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beta Man

"No" you certainly won't be able to get the HD-Audio codecs with the Bose....

Beta, I have to correct this statement...

You most certainly can get HD codecs...two channel (stereo) PCM via analog or optical. The player must decode.

guitarkore · 02-21-2011, 04:57 PM

Ok now I'm seriously considering

Onkyo HT-S6300 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003IT49LG/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

one thing though, in one of the pictures a guy has added one of those "notes" and recommended using banna clips...

So are Bannana clips required or just a convenience?

callas01 · 02-21-2011, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guitarkore

Thanks for all of the responses guys.

callas: I do want great sound. Don't get me wrong. But I'm just not willing to spend $1,000 to get it. Instead I want to get the best sound possible for the amount of money I am willing to spend. Also consider the fact that my the home theater part of my living room is quite small. So to spend $1,000 or more probably isn't necessary I would think.

What do you all think about this?

Here is the issue you will have with all HTiB setups, many of them don't have the frequency response that is required for properly reproducing the sounds and putting you at the center of the movie experience. Even at $1000 there isn't much. But there is a few decent starter products you can get into. If you shop properly, you could get a Polk or Energy setup of pretty good quality including towers and a sub and receiver that would be better then anything you have considered this far in a HTiB.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ

Guitarkore - I'm telling you, use one of the Onkyo systems!

If that one is $400, step down fromthe one I suggested to the Onkyo HTS-5300.

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-HT-S5300...8294296&sr=8-1

If a small HTiB is what youre set on, then follow JJs advise here. Id even suggest a small pair of speaker stands like the VTI UF-19s to place the R/L speakers on and that way you get some seperation of the front 3 speakers so you can open up your sound field and make the experience more immersive.

callas01 · 02-21-2011, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guitarkore

Ok now I'm seriously considering

Onkyo HT-S6300 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003IT49LG/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

one thing though, in one of the pictures a guy has added one of those "notes" and recommended using banna clips...

So are Bannana clips required or just a convenience?

banana plugs are more for convience, but also makes things look nice.

ZIPPO · 02-21-2011, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guitarkore

Ok now I'm seriously considering

Onkyo HT-S6300 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003IT49LG/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

one thing though, in one of the pictures a guy has added one of those "notes" and recommended using banna clips...

So are Bannana clips required or just a convenience?

Banana plugs aren't required, but they do make things easier/safer. The binding post on that receiver look very close together. Unless you have very tiny & skinny fingers, I'd suggest using banana plugs also.

guitarkore · 02-21-2011, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beta Man

For running in-wall/ceiling wires (What's under this living room??? It may be better to run them under the floor rather than above the ceiling.... it all depends on what is more accessible)

You'll want these:

Available at any HD or Lowes: This 25' one is only $4 and way longer than you'd need:

Ok so I'm going to guess this device will pull the wires through the ceiling am I correct?

Then get these from Monoprice: $1.50 each and no need to run wires along baseboards and paint them etc..... much cleaner look....

And with this I'm going to have to guess this is what I would connect the wires though to run though the wall?

Will it get the same results as this?

You put these between the studs.... just trace, cut a hole in the drywall, insert, and secure.... then the speaker plate screws into it flush with your wall...... piece of cake, comes in singles or packs of 6 or so from HD or Lowes for a few dollars:

And I saw them use this on Youtube. There wouldn't be any need for more then one right? I'm only using this to trace the square, then I put it to the saide and apply either of the wall plates.

...

guitarkore · 02-21-2011, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZIPPO

Banana plugs aren't required, but they do make things easier/safer. The binding post on that receiver look very close together. Unless you have very tiny & skinny fingers, I'd suggest using banana plugs also.

Alright sweet, Thanks for the quick Reply Zippo

02-20-2011, 08:06 PM	#1
guitarkore Member Member since:Feb 2011	Expert HELP Needed Please Bose Cinemate or Wireless HTiB Hello, first time poster here. I apologize in advance if something like this has been asked or posted on these forums before, however like I said I'm new to these forums. My thanks to all who read through this and reply back in advance. It will be a little lengthy, for I want to give you as much detail as possible. I'm in a bit of a spot here. Last night after going to Best Buy I bought the Bose Cinemate Series II. I was suckered into the display. And I was blown away by the sound it created. So I tried to convince the wife to get it. One of my selling points were there are only two speakers. And that no longer would there be wires running along the wall. I also though it would sound good in our living room since it is pretty small. So we purchased it. I brought it home hooked it up. And watched Terminator 2 Skynet Edition on Blu Ray(because it has the THX Test on it) I watched a bit of the movie, mainly watching the action scenes, and a few talking scenes and was satisfied with my purchase. However when I was looking for Speaker stands for the speakers, I somehow come across some negative reviews of the system. I found a few people bashing the system, mainly on these forums, thus why I created the account and thought I'd ask you guys, the experts in my opinion. Like I said I was impressed with my purchase. This alone should have been enough but I am a bit concerned with what people said about the system. And quite frankly it makes a bit of sense. What's the big issue I'm concerned about? I was reading that when watching Blu Ray's with HD-dts or Dolby-HD My system will be downgraded to stereo sound. Of course there's only 2 speakers so it technically is always stereo sound. But when watching T:2 I thought it put out much better sound then my Home Theater before The Bose. The Sony BDV-T10. So here are the questions. Is there fact to the claims that I will losing out with the HD Audio in Blu-Rays? If so can anyone suggest a decent sounding Home Theater in a Box with Wireless Surround? It's needs to be wireless so I can still try to sell the idea to the wife that there will be less clutter with wires. I'm not really an "Audiophile" by any means. But I do want the best sound possible for the money. I don't need to spend $1,000 on a home theater, that's way too much. I would like to stay under $600-$700 I have a 55" Samsung LN55C650 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036WT3TS I use my home theater set up to watch Movies, Play Xbox 360, and Play PS3. My home theater space is as I said pretty small. I'd say our Home Theater area is about 16' x 10'. With the 16-ft being the distance between what would be the Surround Sound Speakers, and the 10-ft being the distance from the TV to the center couch. Again thanks so much for reading through this lengthy thing. I hope I included as much detail as I could to get some opinions around here. As I said I consider you guys to be the experts here. You are the consumers, just like myself. Your not the guy at Best Buy or some other electronics store just trying to sell me the most expensive system I'm willing to pay for.

02-20-2011, 08:08 PM	#2
guitarkore Member Member since:Feb 2011	Sweet first serious post and I mess up the title. HTiB...My Bad Last edited by Beta Man; 02-21-2011 at 04:21 AM. Reason: LANGUAGE...... censorship dodging.

02-20-2011, 08:38 PM	#4
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	You can still get Lossless audio from 2 channel (stereo) ... but the problem that would bother me is the center channel dialogue. With a dedicated center channel (5.1) you can hear the dialogue much better than a stereo setup. The dialogue using sterero, kinda gets lost in the mix with the other channels. To compensate you might find you will need to apply some form of dynamic range compression. If you like what you hear (and the wife is happy!) then no reason to change...but if in the back of your mind you do want something better, the by all means use the return policy and get something better. Me personally, I would look into a receiver with possible 5.1/7.1 connections...you can always use two speakers until you need true surround sound down the road. With your current setup, you will always be limited to stereo sound. Last edited by crackinhedz; 02-20-2011 at 09:34 PM.

02-21-2011, 04:39 AM	#8
Beta Man Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Juuuuuuuust A Bit Outside.... Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:268 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:25	A couple of things at play..... "No" you certainly won't be able to get the HD-Audio codecs with the Bose.... BUT.... you said you were happy (or at least impressed, which is pretty much the same thing) So worse case scenario, you just spent $600 or so on something that makes you happy... not too shabby in my opinion I think however, you would be much better served getting either: 1) receiver, and a Front L/R speaker, and a sub or 2) receiver L/R/C speaker Sure you won't have "surrounds" but you don't have that now.... In the future, you may want to get a center speaker or sub (depending on whether you went with option 1 or 2 ) and surrounds can be later.... but the beauty of this method, is the "choice" you can add to a receiver at any time.... the bose is all proprietary, and if you get it now, it's always going to do what it does now.... you can't add to it. $600.... (or so ) $150 http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html A Pair of these ($550) Normally $800 each.... only reason I tweaked your budget.... sorry Free shipping though http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...h&SSAID=101512 EDIT: not sure if speaker "Size" (or lack of that is) is important to your wife.... if so, I have these in a room, and you could get a couple of them to begin with rather than the large towers, and you'll be VERY happy with their performance. http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...eatre/M-1.html Last edited by Beta Man; 02-21-2011 at 04:43 AM.

02-21-2011, 06:44 AM	#10
guitarkore Member Member since:Feb 2011	Thanks for all of the responses guys. callas: I do want great sound. Don't get me wrong. But I'm just not willing to spend $1,000 to get it. Instead I want to get the best sound possible for the amount of money I am willing to spend. Also consider the fact that my the home theater part of my living room is quite small. So to spend $1,000 or more probably isn't necessary I would think. I have decided, and convinced the wife to let me get rid of the bose. She's not exactly happy about it, but I told her i'd put the wires through the walls, paint them white so they can blend into the walls when I run them along the trim, and will make them look as nice and neat as possible. Anybody have any tips from personal experience as to how to run wires through the ceiling and the wall? Also I'm considering this system Samsung HT-C6600http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003S3QZDC/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER I've researched it on google and it seems to get pretty nice reviews. It's normally a $500 system but it's on sale at amazon for $368 which is quite the price cut. Plus I really like the look of it. Of course the look is not the important part of my surround sound but it is a nice touch. What do you all think about this? Last edited by guitarkore; 02-21-2011 at 07:48 AM.

02-20-2011, 08:28 PM	#3
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	Well, if the wife's opinion of aesthetics matter to you, then with that $600, the best you could do is a Home Theater in a Box, with little speakers. OR! How much was that Cinemate? Why don't you get these, beautiful sounding little speakers: http://www.accessories4less.com/make...ack-NEW/1.html The KEF KHT1005 - then pair them with a Onkyo 608 http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR608...8237237&sr=8-1 Add another $50-$100 for speaker wire from http://www.monoprice.com/home/index.asp! And Kapow! $900ish for a great looking/great sounding system on a budget. Other folks do try to tell you that you should start with your two front channels and build from there, but some folks can't do that or won't. If you don't want to, then of course we can understand. EDIT: Oh wait, you said $600-$700. Dagnabit. Hold on a sec. Why do you need speaker stands? Just mount on wall and run wires behind the drywall. It's really quite easy, btw. And yes, there is a lot of hype in Bose. They aren't bad speakers, but they're just overpriced for what they do. Great TV there though!

02-21-2011, 03:10 AM	#6
guitarkore Member Member since:Feb 2011	Not as responsive of a forum as I thought

02-21-2011, 03:29 AM	#7
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	For a great HTiB at that price, I'd just go with one of Onkyo's offerings - The Onkyo HT-S series. The HT-S6300, say, from Amazon.com $500, spend the rest on wiring.

02-21-2011, 11:01 AM	#11
Petra_Kalbrain Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Vancouver, BC 4K collection:5 Blu-ray collection:561 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:20	AVOID BOSE AT ALL COST! BOSE BLOWS! Any situation that involves BOSE pricing as a comparative measure will be able to yield a significant improvement in quality and longevity for the same price by researching other brands. Onkyo is always the safe bet for an economically priced system that produces quality results. It's often viewed as the best "bang for your cheapass buck" option. Last edited by Petra_Kalbrain; 02-21-2011 at 11:07 AM.

02-21-2011, 12:19 PM	#12
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	Guitarkore - I'm telling you, use one of the Onkyo systems! If that one is $400, step down fromthe one I suggested to the Onkyo HTS-5300. http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-HT-S5300...8294296&sr=8-1 Samsung customer service is terrible and their HTiBs are "decent" at best, I had their TX75 unit for a year and it was "eh" Not to mention the Onkyo package includes an ACTUAL receiver - The SR508, not one of those crappy crammed HTiB "receiver" units from bigger companies. Last edited by JJ; 02-21-2011 at 12:21 PM.

02-21-2011, 01:54 PM	#13
Beta Man Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Juuuuuuuust A Bit Outside.... Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:268 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:25	For running in-wall/ceiling wires (What's under this living room??? It may be better to run them under the floor rather than above the ceiling.... it all depends on what is more accessible) You'll want these: Available at any HD or Lowes: This 25' one is only $4 and way longer than you'd need: Then get these from Monoprice: $1.50 each and no need to run wires along baseboards and paint them etc..... much cleaner look.... You put these between the studs.... just trace, cut a hole in the drywall, insert, and secure.... then the speaker plate screws into it flush with your wall...... piece of cake, comes in singles or packs of 6 or so from HD or Lowes for a few dollars:

02-21-2011, 04:57 PM	#15
guitarkore Member Member since:Feb 2011	Ok now I'm seriously considering Onkyo HT-S6300 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003IT49LG/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER one thing though, in one of the pictures a guy has added one of those "notes" and recommended using banna clips... So are Bannana clips required or just a convenience?

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