The Bow (Ki-duk Kim) - Blu-ray Forum

toddly6666 · 07-06-2011, 06:36 AM

Audio: Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS-HD MA 5.1 Korean
Subtitle: Traditional Chinese/Simplified Chinese/English
Run Time: 89
Screen: 1.78:1 / 1920 x 1080p
Studio: Bit Wel

http://dvd.jsdvd.com/product_info.ph...ducts_id=27313

the blob · 07-06-2011, 01:45 PM

Is Bit Wei one of the good or bad ones? While I'm very pleased for some Kim Ki-Duk on Blu, they could have picked one of his better films.

kpkelley · 07-06-2011, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the blob

Is Bit Wei one of the good or bad ones? While I'm very pleased for some Kim Ki-Duk on Blu, they could have picked one of his better films.

Their discs are inexpensive, but the generally resuse masters from other companies. If the movie in question hasn't been released elsewhere it's likely just a dvd upconvert.

They seem to be better about Asian films than their European ports.

xradman · 07-07-2011, 12:05 AM

Report on DVDPrime forum (Korean Blu-ray forum) states that this particular release is real highdef transfer rather than typical upconvert quality from BitWel.

jegiwong · 07-07-2011, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xradman

Report on DVDPrime forum (Korean Blu-ray forum) states that this particular release is real highdef transfer rather than typical upconvert quality from BitWel.

Really surprised that it is real highdef transfer. Can add it to wishlist.

What about Carmen from the new thread of toddly6666? Is it also real highdef transfer? Thanks!

ksc2303 · 07-07-2011, 04:26 AM

Went ahead and ordered since I dont have this on dvd. Haven't used JSDVD so I'm a little confused about the ordering process, are they going to do a second transaction for the shipping?

zeroman987 · 07-07-2011, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ksc2303

Went ahead and ordered since I dont have this on dvd. Haven't used JSDVD so I'm a little confused about the ordering process, are they going to do a second transaction for the shipping?

Yes they do. Unfortunately, the shipping is pretty pricey to the US. Also, if it doesn't ship for like 2 weeks, you should send an email to remind them. Last time I ordered from them, they didn't ship because something was backordered (and it said it would be in stock after 2 weeks). After 2 weeks, I emailed them, they shipped right away. I get the impression they are a small company. Despite that hiccup, I had a good experience with them I will definitely use them to get this Blu.

bdrun · 07-07-2011, 06:16 AM

My friend loves Ki-duk Kim's movie, but I don't. Sometimes, it's hard to realize what Kim wants to tell us. I'd rather go to see transformer 3 dark of the moon instead of buying this blu-ray.

jdubya71 · 07-07-2011, 08:54 PM

then why are you even looking at this thread? and then crapping in it?

crystal_sun · 07-07-2011, 09:02 PM

I think people are entitled to their opinion about the movie - good or bad. I usually make my own judgement, but I like to hear others that do not recommend the movie. He is not attacking anyone...just giving his opinion about the movie.

ksc2303 · 07-10-2011, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeroman987

Yes they do. Unfortunately, the shipping is pretty pricey to the US. Also, if it doesn't ship for like 2 weeks, you should send an email to remind them. Last time I ordered from them, they didn't ship because something was backordered (and it said it would be in stock after 2 weeks). After 2 weeks, I emailed them, they shipped right away. I get the impression they are a small company. Despite that hiccup, I had a good experience with them I will definitely use them to get this Blu.

Yeah, shipping was more than the blu-ray. Total came out to around $25 so that's not bad for an import. Hopefully the quality of the disc is good...

Sagacious Koreo · 07-10-2011, 12:29 PM

Kim Ki Duk's films are definitely an acquired taste. Kind of like Lee Chang Dong films as well. They are very much art house. However, I enjoy them. 3-Iron was Ki Duk's quintessential film for me. Love that film. Hope it gets a blu release soon.

The Bow was interesting. I've seen it a few times and I still haven't figured out if I liked it or not.

I'd also like to see The Isle make it to Blu. That was definitely a movie that scarred my mind. The fish hook scene? Ya, I'll never get that image out.

If anything his films will definitely look pretty on blu. Seeing as if they give it a proper transfer.

Alex DeLarge · 07-10-2011, 01:42 PM

Please let us know the A/V quality of the BD when you recieve it

I will purchase any Ki-duk Kim film on blu-ray though THE BOW is the one film I need to revisit and reconsider my opinion: you can never take his films at face value. 3-IRON is masterful and THE ISLE has a great plot hook but I would be happy with BREATH or DREAM too. Glad to see some love for Ki-duk KIm; he's one of my favorite modern directors along with Michael Haneke.

ksc2303 · 07-10-2011, 04:26 PM

I'll report back as soon as the disc arrives. I'm in a much better position to be a guinea pig this time since we upgraded our old Sony 1080i CRT to a larger Sony LCD.

I dont think I've ever watched The Bow but I like Kim Ki Duk so i'll blind buy anything he's directed. 3 Iron and Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter and Spring are the two I want on Blu the most (the latter ought to be stunning if the transfer is good). Doubt I would ever buy Bad Guy... great movie but was so intense and disturbing I dont know if I would want to sit through it again.

Alex DeLarge · 07-10-2011, 05:24 PM

I'm not sure a Sony LCD is a huge visual upgrade from your rear-projection Sony. My Mits was a 1080i CRT professionally calibrated and the image quality just blew away plasma and LCD technology. The only reason I upgraded was to go to a DLA projector but I must admitt I like the extra space in my family room, now that it's been sold. I look forward to your guidance; thanks for taking the time to post

stobbart · 07-10-2011, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

I'm not sure a Sony LCD is a huge visual upgrade from your rear-projection Sony. My Mits was a 1080i CRT professionally calibrated and the image quality just blew away plasma and LCD technology.

I love my CRT but its on its way out. Overscan and some mild bending at the top :\ Looking to get a Kuro off Craigslist when I find a good price.

As for this film, I have not seen it but I am a fan of the director. If the PQ/AQ are acceptable I will definitely blind buy

PGW · 07-11-2011, 12:32 AM

I absolutely loved "The Bow," though judging by on-line comments I seem to be in the minority. I certainly think it will appeal to fans of "3-Iron," because, like that film...

[Show spoiler]

... in any case, like his other films, the damn thing sticks with you like glue long after you've seen it. I've noticed this with every one of his films that I've seen.

My favorite scene...

[Show spoiler]

ksc2303 · 07-11-2011, 02:20 AM

I loved my Sony CRT but the power supply died (supposedly been offered a power supply I can replace it with). I do not miss the overscan though... Also going from 32" to 46" was a bit of a revelation.

PGW, your comparison to 3 Iron has me very interested

ksc2303 · 07-20-2011, 12:37 AM

My copy arrived today. If I can, I'll watch it later tonight. otherwise I'll have impressions within 24 hours or so

Edit: Inside the case is a flyer of other (upcoming?) releases, a blu-ray of 3-Iron is pictured

ksc2303 · 07-20-2011, 03:19 AM

Ok I looked at it but haven't watched it through... it looks like HD or at least a good upconvert. There are a few issues; first there's weird digital looking artifacts, like jagged lines on random places (I dont think its interlacing). Its not grainy, although if I get right up in front of my tv there is a layer of "noise." That noise seems to change uniformly instead of the look of a grainy movie. I think i've heard that described before with DNR? There also looks like edge enhancement to me.

Its not a very fair comparison but I checked it against netflix instant streaming. The blu was in every way superior.

Comparing the lossy and lossless audio on the blu, the lossless audio has much better bass. During the music over the opening scene you can hear a very punchy drum beat, where on the lossy audio it sounds like a generic bassy boom.

I dont have a PS3 anymore so I cant give you any bitrates. I'll try getting a picture from my camera of the digital artifacts.

07-06-2011, 06:36 AM	#1
toddly6666 Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Hong Kong Home Theater Gallery:20 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:1441 DVD collection:31 Blu-ray reviews: 290 Trading Score:61	The Bow (Ki-duk Kim) Audio: Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS-HD MA 5.1 Korean Subtitle: Traditional Chinese/Simplified Chinese/English Run Time: 89 Screen: 1.78:1 / 1920 x 1080p Studio: Bit Wel http://dvd.jsdvd.com/product_info.ph...ducts_id=27313 Last edited by toddly6666; 07-06-2011 at 06:39 AM.

07-20-2011, 12:37 AM	#19
ksc2303 Active Member Member since:Nov 2008 4K collection:369 Blu-ray collection:1116 DVD collection:270 Trading Score:2	My copy arrived today. If I can, I'll watch it later tonight. otherwise I'll have impressions within 24 hours or so Edit: Inside the case is a flyer of other (upcoming?) releases, a blu-ray of 3-Iron is pictured Last edited by ksc2303; 07-20-2011 at 12:54 AM.

07-06-2011, 01:45 PM	#2
the blob Power Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Trading Score:1	Is Bit Wei one of the good or bad ones? While I'm very pleased for some Kim Ki-Duk on Blu, they could have picked one of his better films.

07-07-2011, 12:05 AM	#4
xradman Power Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Northern VA SteelBooks™ Owned : 341 Home Theater Gallery:11 Blu-ray collection:356 Blu-ray reviews:20 Trading Score:22	Report on DVDPrime forum (Korean Blu-ray forum) states that this particular release is real highdef transfer rather than typical upconvert quality from BitWel.

07-07-2011, 04:26 AM	#6
ksc2303 Active Member Member since:Nov 2008 4K collection:369 Blu-ray collection:1116 DVD collection:270 Trading Score:2	Went ahead and ordered since I dont have this on dvd. Haven't used JSDVD so I'm a little confused about the ordering process, are they going to do a second transaction for the shipping?

07-07-2011, 06:16 AM	#8
bdrun Active Member Member since:Feb 2010	My friend loves Ki-duk Kim's movie, but I don't. Sometimes, it's hard to realize what Kim wants to tell us. I'd rather go to see transformer 3 dark of the moon instead of buying this blu-ray.

07-07-2011, 08:54 PM	#9
jdubya71 Junior Member Member since:Jun 2011 Blu-ray collection:31	then why are you even looking at this thread? and then crapping in it?

07-07-2011, 09:02 PM	#10
crystal_sun Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 Home Theater Gallery:9 Blu-ray collection:43 Blu-ray reviews:4 Trading Score:13	I think people are entitled to their opinion about the movie - good or bad. I usually make my own judgement, but I like to hear others that do not recommend the movie. He is not attacking anyone...just giving his opinion about the movie.

07-10-2011, 12:29 PM	#12
Sagacious Koreo Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:May 2009 Blu-ray collection:685 Trading Score:3	Kim Ki Duk's films are definitely an acquired taste. Kind of like Lee Chang Dong films as well. They are very much art house. However, I enjoy them. 3-Iron was Ki Duk's quintessential film for me. Love that film. Hope it gets a blu release soon. The Bow was interesting. I've seen it a few times and I still haven't figured out if I liked it or not. I'd also like to see The Isle make it to Blu. That was definitely a movie that scarred my mind. The fish hook scene? Ya, I'll never get that image out. If anything his films will definitely look pretty on blu. Seeing as if they give it a proper transfer.

07-10-2011, 01:42 PM	#13
Alex DeLarge Active Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Central, PA 4K collection:317 Blu-ray collection:3151 DVD collection:638	Please let us know the A/V quality of the BD when you recieve it I will purchase any Ki-duk Kim film on blu-ray though THE BOW is the one film I need to revisit and reconsider my opinion: you can never take his films at face value. 3-IRON is masterful and THE ISLE has a great plot hook but I would be happy with BREATH or DREAM too. Glad to see some love for Ki-duk KIm; he's one of my favorite modern directors along with Michael Haneke.

07-10-2011, 04:26 PM	#14
ksc2303 Active Member Member since:Nov 2008 4K collection:369 Blu-ray collection:1116 DVD collection:270 Trading Score:2	I'll report back as soon as the disc arrives. I'm in a much better position to be a guinea pig this time since we upgraded our old Sony 1080i CRT to a larger Sony LCD. I dont think I've ever watched The Bow but I like Kim Ki Duk so i'll blind buy anything he's directed. 3 Iron and Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter and Spring are the two I want on Blu the most (the latter ought to be stunning if the transfer is good). Doubt I would ever buy Bad Guy... great movie but was so intense and disturbing I dont know if I would want to sit through it again.

07-10-2011, 05:24 PM	#15
Alex DeLarge Active Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Central, PA 4K collection:317 Blu-ray collection:3151 DVD collection:638	I'm not sure a Sony LCD is a huge visual upgrade from your rear-projection Sony. My Mits was a 1080i CRT professionally calibrated and the image quality just blew away plasma and LCD technology. The only reason I upgraded was to go to a DLA projector but I must admitt I like the extra space in my family room, now that it's been sold. I look forward to your guidance; thanks for taking the time to post

07-11-2011, 12:32 AM	#17
PGW Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Dec 2009 Location:United States Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:4	I absolutely loved "The Bow," though judging by on-line comments I seem to be in the minority. I certainly think it will appeal to fans of "3-Iron," because, like that film... [Show spoiler] ... in any case, like his other films, the damn thing sticks with you like glue long after you've seen it. I've noticed this with every one of his films that I've seen. My favorite scene... [Show spoiler]

07-11-2011, 02:20 AM	#18
ksc2303 Active Member Member since:Nov 2008 4K collection:369 Blu-ray collection:1116 DVD collection:270 Trading Score:2	I loved my Sony CRT but the power supply died (supposedly been offered a power supply I can replace it with). I do not miss the overscan though... Also going from 32" to 46" was a bit of a revelation. PGW, your comparison to 3 Iron has me very interested

07-20-2011, 03:19 AM	#20
ksc2303 Active Member Member since:Nov 2008 4K collection:369 Blu-ray collection:1116 DVD collection:270 Trading Score:2	Ok I looked at it but haven't watched it through... it looks like HD or at least a good upconvert. There are a few issues; first there's weird digital looking artifacts, like jagged lines on random places (I dont think its interlacing). Its not grainy, although if I get right up in front of my tv there is a layer of "noise." That noise seems to change uniformly instead of the look of a grainy movie. I think i've heard that described before with DNR? There also looks like edge enhancement to me. Its not a very fair comparison but I checked it against netflix instant streaming. The blu was in every way superior. Comparing the lossy and lossless audio on the blu, the lossless audio has much better bass. During the music over the opening scene you can hear a very punchy drum beat, where on the lossy audio it sounds like a generic bassy boom. I dont have a PS3 anymore so I cant give you any bitrates. I'll try getting a picture from my camera of the digital artifacts.

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