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Old 10-07-2011, 05:08 PM   #1
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Too lazy to do any research...so was wondering whats on the top tier of the Sammy plasma 3D list? My friend seems keen on going LED but I am trying to bring him to the plasma fold.
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Too lazy to provide an answer.

Why Samsung and not Panasonic?

Samsung - PND7000 or PND8000

Panasonic - ST30, GT30, VT30
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Old 10-07-2011, 07:01 PM   #3
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Too lazy to provide an answer.

Why Samsung and not Panasonic?

Samsung - PND7000 or PND8000

Panasonic - ST30, GT30, VT30

Aha! I'm not too lazy to reply to that! His heart is set on Sammy. The idea is to get him to accept plasma first and then un-brand him from Sammy.
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Old 10-07-2011, 07:56 PM   #4
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Aha! I'm not too lazy to reply to that! His heart is set on Sammy. The idea is to get him to accept plasma first and then un-brand him from Sammy.
I personally would rather support Japan (Panasonic) than S Korea (Samsung).
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Too lazy to do any research...so was wondering whats on the top tier of the Sammy plasma 3D list? My friend seems keen on going LED but I am trying to bring him to the plasma fold.
Definitely VT30. If you can't get him to go plasma then you should get him onto the sharp elite. That seems to be the serious choice when it comes to LED. Full array/local dimming unlike the edge-lit samsung.
Like I say though the VT30. A mighty fine set and that's before you turn it on.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:08 PM   #6
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I'd advise him to go with the VT30 as well.
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Old 10-08-2011, 09:19 PM   #7
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Sharp Elite, better make sure his checkbook is ready for it...

Anywho, D7000 is a great choice, Im enjoying mine. Plasma rankings by a few calibrators has shapped like this for the year:

VT30
7000/8000 (59" and 64)
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7000/8000 (51")

I was a big Panny guy and tried to push everyone their way, like some of the guys in this thread. After owning the D7000, Panasonic has lost my business.
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Old 10-08-2011, 11:11 PM   #8
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The D7000 is the better choice. If he wants panasonic go with the ST30. I have mine since February and the PQ is excellent.
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Thx for the 411 guys! Much appreciated!
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:01 PM   #10
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D8000 was a hit at the VE shootout last night.
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:40 PM   #11
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Old 10-10-2011, 04:14 PM   #12
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Plasma or LCD?
What are the light conditions in his room?
If he can control the lighting then yeah plasma otherwise LCD.
If plasma then yes the D8000 is great, if he wants to spend more for a slightly better black then Panasonic V25.
Not a very complicated decision IMO.
Good luck.
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Plasma or LCD?
What are the light conditions in his room?
If he can control the lighting then yeah plasma otherwise LCD.
If plasma then yes the D8000 is great, if he wants to spend more for a slightly better black then Panasonic V25.
Not a very complicated decision IMO.
Good luck.
He can control the lighting [no windows in the room, I hear]. So was the V30 the winner at the shoot-out?
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The winner was 1. Sharp Elite then 2. VT30 3. D8000
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Old 10-12-2011, 09:41 PM   #15
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The winner was 1. Sharp Elite then 2. VT30 3. D8000
Wow! The Sharp won huh! Pity it ain't a plasma.
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Old 10-12-2011, 09:46 PM   #16
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Priceless!!!

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At one point Zohn also revealed a "surprise contestant," which turned out to be the Pioneer Kuro PRO-141FD. I wasn't surprised when he mentioned that it beat the picture quality of all of the other 2011 models in the lineup, according to the audience.

Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...#ixzz1abevZQv9
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Old 10-12-2011, 09:46 PM   #17
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It oughta win, have you seen the prices?? Then the markup is even more a joke.

To be frank, the calibrators opinions are different, at least until Sharp releases a color fix firmware for it, but the vote is from audience members which I also find amusing.
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Old 10-12-2011, 09:56 PM   #18
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Interestingly, Zohn said two calibrators voted differently from the audience. Miller and D-Nice both picked the Samsung PND8000, not the Elite, as the overall winner by a nose over the VT30, citing color-related issues on the Panasonic. Zohn said he hadn't yet received the vote of Ed Johnson, the third calibrator. (Update Oct 12: See Ed's comment below for his direct insights and observations).

Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...#ixzz1abhU8VNn
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I am the other calibrator involved in the shootout. Just to add my comments and observations. All the desplays had their strengths and weaknesses. After reviewing my ballot it seems like most I gave more scoring weight based on black level and dynamic contrast rather than color accuracy.

Their was only 0.8 points seperating the elite, panasonic and samsung on my score card. Yes the Elite had a visible color error but the panasonic also on certain material exibited an over saturation. The clear winner for color accuracy was the Samsung plasma but when viewing realworld material the black level and dynamic contrast changed the viewing enjoyment in favor of the displays with the higher dynamic contrast ratio.

LCD based displays even those with led zoned backlighting still suffer from off angle viewing issues (the color saturation starts to flatten out and black level rises). Did not measure the off axis angle but it was not much movement before you noticed a change.

Also something you would not notice normally unless you had sets side by side. Is that the LCD based technology represents a less lifelike/ dull picture compared to a plasma. Not by much but definatly noticable. The light spectrum emitted by a plasma just seems more pleasing to the eye compared to LED/CCFL technologies.

Commenting on the sony, yes changing the setting did lower the black level so it may have measured a slightly better contrast ratio. I am sure that adjustment to lower the black level also affected the sets calibrated gamma. But the set suffers from Halo/ blooming from the LED backlight zones. It became even more apparent with the darker black level. Something that was greatly reduced if not even visible on the Sharp elite.

The sharp elite is the first LCD I have come across that holds a true black level on an ansi cherkerboard pattern. Due to the design nature of LCD displays they all typically suffer from a rising black level when presented with this pattern as well as real world material (although not as obvious with real world material). Plasma technology on the other hand typically suffers from a decreasing peak luminance when presented with this pattern and real world material. But hold their original black level.

Which is the reasoning for plasma being better suited for a controlled light enviorment and LCD better suited for bright ambient or rooms where intruding light cannot be controlled.

Personally I favor Plasmas for their more natural look, ability to control their light output at a pixle by pixle level ( not limited by zones) and current black levels. I wish they could bring it down to the Pioneer Kuro levels. Someday in the future maybe.

If you sit fairly straight on to a display and they correct their color issue the Sharp elite is an LCD lED backlight display that almost equals the color rendering of a plasma with Pioneer Kuro black levels.

I think Robert Zohn offers the public a great opportunity to personally compare the top level latest model releases side by side. Under normal and controlled lighting enviorments. Calibrated to the displays best capability and hope he continues to do it in the future.


Ed Johnson

Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...#ixzz1abhbMQqU
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Old 10-12-2011, 10:14 PM   #19
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Yup I think I'm good for another couple of years with my ol' TV at this rate.
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