"Denon AVR-1611 & Audyssey setups"

[robmlisanti]

Ok Here's a question for everyone..I was wondering in my Denon receiver I went over the settings and noticed that the Tower speakers are on "Full Range"
and "LARGE" I was under the impression that All speakers should be "Small" with a Crossover of 80hz? should I change the settings? although it does seem to sound fuller than my old Sony?

Also on my Velodyne VX-10 Sub shoould my Crossover be all the way up or should I leave it around 80hz. In the receiver it's set at 120hz ( As Bob told me to leave it) , i just wanst sure about the actual sub, I used to leave it on between 70 and 80 hz.

Just some opinions would be cool.

Thanks,
Rob

[LordoftheRings]

YES, change all the settings (Speaker Crossovers) to 80Hz. ...All your speakers (I've already seen them).

* On your Velodyne subwoofer, YES, set the Crossover all the way up (or "Bypass" mode if available).

And YES, in your receiver, the LPF of the LFE is perfectly set at 120 Hz.

And on your Sub, set the Phase control at 0 degree.

And on your Sub again, set the Gain control (Volume level) to 1/3rd (10:30) on its rotary knob control.
{And if you could please, give me the results of Audyssey; in particular the Subwoofer channel Level.}

Anything else?

P.S. In my signature there is a link to the Audyssey Setup Guide, click on it and read it very attentively.
Pay particular attention to the Subwoofer settings as well the microphone positioning, and take all 6 mic position measurements available from your receiver.
==> And read this entire thread: @ https://forum.blu-ray.com/audio-theo...ny-points.html

[robmlisanti]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

YES, change all the settings (Speaker Crossovers) to 80Hz. ...All your speakers (I've already seen them).

* On your Velodyne subwoofer, YES, set the Crossover all the way up (or "Bypass" mode if available).

And YES, in your receiver, the LPF of the LFE is perfectly set at 120 Hz.

And on your Sub, set the Phase control at 0 degree.

Anything else?

P.S. In my signature there is a link to the Audyssey Setup Guide, click on it and read it very attentively.
Pay particular attention to the Subwoofer settings as well the microphone positioning, and take all 6 mic position measurements available from your receiver.
==> And read this entire thread: @ https://forum.blu-ray.com/audio-theo...ny-points.html

So Bob, then I should take the Towers off the "LARGE" setting and change it to small @ 80hz as I thought?

So then why does the system put it on "LARGE" rather than Small? I know that 80hz is the THX standard.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by robmlisanti

so bob, then i should take the towers off the "large" setting and change it to small @ 80hz as i thought?

So then why does the system put it on "large" rather than small? I know that 80hz is the thx standard.

Yes!

* Your Denon receiver selected that setting, NOT Audyssey!
- And even if your speakers can play full range, it is still preferable to cross them at 80 Hz as the best crossover setting for your particular case.
{My speakers can play much lower than yours and I still cross them at 80 Hz.}

-> The reason why your receiver set your two front main speakers as "Large" (Full Band), is because Audyssey calculated their -3 dB point below 60 Hz (or 40 Hz, but I think it is 60 Hz), and then communicated that info to your Denon receiver who finally decided (according to its -3 db point below 60 Hz, preprogrammed into its DSP memory chip) to set them as "Large".
But your Subwoofer is the best reproducer of low bass frequencies, and your Denon receiver is not preprogrammed yet to make that intelligent decision! ...One day perhaps!
So now it is up to you to manually make that smart choice. ...Beats the machine!

[robmlisanti]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Yes!

Ok Thanks Bob Much appreciated!

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by robmlisanti

Ok Thanks Bob Much appreciated!

You're too quick for me; I always add to my posts for more explanations and precisions, so people can perfectly comprehend EVERYTHING there is to know! ...Check above for my edits (every single post; #2 & #4).

[gamingart]

Hello. I have 1611 denon receiver also. I followed your advice to set towers and center speakers to small and crossover frequency to 80 hz ( I own velodyne 10 impact sub). That was after running autosetup. The thing is my receiver set sub level to -12 db. I had the volume set halfway when calibration ran.

Should I change sub level?? or should I run autosetup again turning the sub knob to 1/3 as told here?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by gamingart

Hello. I have 1611 denon receiver also. I followed your advice to set towers and center speakers to small and crossover frequency to 80 hz ( I own velodyne 10 impact sub). That was after running autosetup. The thing is my receiver set sub level to -12 db. I had the volume set halfway when calibration ran.

Should I change sub level?? or should I run autosetup again turning the sub knob to 1/3 as told here?

Yes, you'll have to rerun Audyssey again, after turning down the Gain control (Volume level) on your Subwoofer itself. Try 1/3, and if you still get -12 dB for your Subwoofer channel Level, then turn down the Gain control even further on your Sub to 1/4, and rerun Audyssey all over again!

* Like you seem to know already, -12 dB is the lower limit for your Sub channel from your Denon receiver. ...Meaning that the Gain on your Sub itself is too high.

** But if you get lets say -10 dB, then you're OK. {I'd bet after your turn the Gain down to 1/3 you'd be OK.}

*** That's why I always recommend 1/3 as the best spot to set the Gain control.
(On my two Subs, the Gain on both is set at 1/4.)

**** I just know too many people with the Gain still way too high at 1/2.

***** And there is no way that you can get away with this by simply changing the Sub channel in your receiver. You always have to rerun Audyssey after having readjusted the Gain control on your sub at a lower position.

- And don't forget (on your subwoofer itself) about the Phase control which should be set to 0 degree, and your Subwoofer Low Pass Filter control (or often erroneously called 'Crossover'), which should be set to "Bypass" mode, or if not available, to its highest position.

[gamingart]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Yes, you'll have to rerun Audyssey again, after turning down the Gain control (Volume level) on your Subwoofer itself. Try 1/3, and if you still get -12 dB for your Subwoofer channel Level, then turn down the Gain control even further on your Sub to 1/4, and rerun Audyssey all over again!

* Like you seem to know already, -12 dB is the lower limit for your Sub channel from your Denon receiver. ...Meaning that the Gain on your Sub itself is too high.

** But if you get lets say -10 dB, then you're OK. {I'd bet after your turn the Gain down to 1/3 you'd be OK.}

*** That's why I always recommend 1/3 as the best spot to set the Gain control.
(On my two Subs, the Gain on both is set at 1/4.)

**** I just know too many people with the Gain still way too high at 1/2.

***** And there is no way that you can get away with this by simply changing the Sub channel in your receiver. You always have to rerun Audyssey after having readjusted the Gain control on your sub at a lower position.

- And don't forget (on your subwoofer itself) about the Phase control which should be set to 0 degree, and your Subwoofer Low Pass Filter control (or often erroneously called 'Crossover'), which should be set to "Bypass" mode, or if not available, to its highest position.

Ok. I´ll rerun it like you said. After that, should I move the gain up for playing music or movies? Or should I leave it at 1/3?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by gamingart

Ok. I´ll rerun it like you said. After that, should I move the gain up for playing music or movies? Or should I leave it at 1/3?

You NEVER touch the settings on the rear of your Sub after all is done and okie-dookie with Audyssey, NAVA!

...So YES you always leave it there; the Gain control set at 1/3 (10:30).

* And Audyssey has adjusted (EQ & Calibrate) everything for both Music and Movies.
- For Movies, use Audyssey Standard; just called "Audyssey" curve.
- For Music, try Audyssey "Flat" curve, and see if you like it. If not, just use "Audyssey" Standard curve as well, for both Movies & Music.

[gamingart]

Thanks a lot. I reran autosetup like you said. Everything is ok.

One more question: why is it recommended to change speakers from large to small?? I understand the crossover should be set to 80 hz, but I also read I should change speakers size.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by gamingart

Thanks a lot. I reran autosetup like you said. Everything is ok.

One more question: why is it recommended to change speakers from large to small?? I understand the crossover should be set to 80 hz, but I also read I should change speakers size.

Because a Subwoofer is specially designed to reproduce the low frequencies of the audio spectrum (from about 20 Hz to about 100 Hz).
- And also because your regular Satellite speakers (most of them) cannot reproduce adequately those lower frequencies below say 60 or even 80 Hz (smaller satellite speakers).
- And also because most receivers (majority) do strain at trying to drive ALL (5, or 7, or 9) your speakers as Full Range!
- And also because Audyssey has much more resolution (filters) in the Subwoofer channel, where it counts the most, than the Satellite ones.
- So, it is recommended to change ALL your speakers to Small, instead of Large.

* When you select a crossover of 80 Hz (a very good choice for the vast majority of speakers out there), your speakers are Automatically set to "Small".

[ristokru]

Hi, I have a problem with Denon 1611 and ps3. If I play games,the audio is bad. Surrouns speakers are loud and center speaker is low. And if somebody speaks there,all speakers make noise not the center like it must be.
Can somebody help me?