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I wrote an analysis on the film series in December. The link includes two video clips. I hope discussion will be prompted from this. It's long.

The Harry Potter film series will soon come to an end and what better way to acknowledge that than by analyzing the series? What are the positive and negative attributes? What are the best and worst aspects? How well do the creator’s perform their task of keeping the audience engaged and intrigued? Read on to find how I, a fan of no importance, answer these inquiries.

As a fan of the novels (the last five, anyway), I no longer compare the films to what author J.K. Rowling wrote because that tends to bog down legitimate criticism. This type of criticism does not consist of nitpicks and complaints on what aspects from the books should not have been excluded. It’s preferable that a critic of the films, who also happens to be a fan of their book counterparts, only discuss what’s present on screen to prevent the discussion from becoming off topic with irrelevancies and disappointments of inaccurate, minute details. Therefore, no comparisons to the novels will be made on my part. I also will not go into detail on the plot and story of each film as this analysis assumes that you have seen them and know the information.

HARRY POTTER AND THE SORCERER’S STONE AND THE CHAMBER OF SECRETS

The only logical way to begin such an analysis is to start with the films that established the series, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone and the Chamber of Secrets, both directed by Christopher Columbus. I will preface the discussion of these films by stating that I loved Stone when I first saw it, but over the years began to develop a love-hate relationship. The same can be said for Chamber, but I eventually came to dislike it.

What the first entry into the film series does well is setting up and establishing the wizarding universe. The film shows us the difference between the Muggle world and the world occupied by magical beings. Harry enters the unknown and is marveled at what he is seeing and has been missing all of his life. The problem here is that that wonder, for the audience, disappears quite quickly.

The main issues with Stone (this is true for Chamber as well) are the boring visuals and the eventuality of the film losing the audience’s interest. The performances by the adult actors and the younger cast members cannot be thoroughly enjoyed when their presence is heavily accentuated and marred by a bland-looking castle with very little pop, and some of the worst visual effects from that year. As John William’s sweeping score permeates the boat ride up to Hogwarts, one cannot feel what the filmmakers intend because the experience is ruined by looking at the castle. The same feeling is replicated with each exterior shot and is experienced again, but to a lesser degree, when we view the interior. Director Christopher Columbus didn’t direct a single visually exciting shot in the film, and it’s a testament to his skills when put into the context of later directors who came to helm the series.

As for the visual effects, it’s difficult to be immersed into the world when they look quite terrible. If you compare the budget of Stone with Fellowship of the Ring (released in the same year), it’s inexcusable that the former has inferior visual effects, particularly the fight with the troll and Harry being jerked around by his seemingly possessed broom. The trend continues with the centaur Firenze, and Harry chasing flying keys to progress further into the plot with the Sorcerer’s Stone.

Stone seems to slog along after the quite-eventful Quidditch match. We see the trio struggle to put the pieces together but it just isn’t entertaining enough and it feels like your standard detective fare. There are of course some interesting moments interspersed between those scenes, like Snape’s altercation with Filch, but that doesn’t fill the void of something left to be desired: an immensely entertaining experience. Steve Kloves’ script needed to be cut down and reworked to make things more interesting.

There are of course positives, most notably everything up until where the film begins to drag, excluding the visual problems noted above. Seeing Harry learn about being a wizard and coming to the realization that he isn’t a freak is wonderful. The score is excellent and really complements the source material. Williams continues to do this with the second and third entry into the series.

For Chamber, I’m not going to delve into the visuals, as they mirror the first with the exception of superior visual effects. I will instead focus on its longevity and immensely boring nature. The film clocks in at nearly two hours and forty minutes (with credits) and you can feel every minute of it. It’s sad that everything preceding Harry’s return to Hogwarts is superior to everything taking place within it. The humor present when Harry first visits the Burrow will elicit laughs from time to time, even upon repeat viewings. The same can be said for the moments at the bookstore in Diagon Alley when the audience is treated with the first appearance of Gilderoy Lockhart.

Just like Chamber’s older brother, there are moments sprinkled throughout its runtime that are entertaining, but do not make up for even more standard detective fare, which this time seems to go on and on. Kenneth Branagh’s portrayal as Lockhart is the highlight in these moments, along with Rickman as Snape. Kloves’ script here too needed to be cut and reworked.

Overall, the first two films range from “wholly mediocre” to “an overlong chore.” Stone creates the world for the audience, and even though it has problems, you won’t be wishing for it to end. Chamber, however, makes you wonder what happened during the creating process to disengage the audience so much throughout.

HARRY POTTER AND THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN

The series starts to become interesting with Prisoner of Azkaban, directed by Alfonso Cuarón. The opening scene, even with the problem of inconsistency – the “no magic outside of school” rule established in Chamber – shows that the audience is in for something different. Everything about Prisoner differs from Stone and Chamber: the direction, the cinematography, the acting, the tone, the usage of themes, the music, and even the humor.

What Prisoner excels at most is its look and Cuarón’s direction. When both are coupled, it makes for a pleasant visual experience and puts the first two films to shame. Hogwarts is no longer bland; it’s rich with shadows and actually looks like a castle. Hogwarts’ grounds have been completely redesigned and that’s for the better. Yes, it’s an inconsistency, but not a bothersome one as it improves upon Columbus’ lackluster vision. Cuarón’s stylistic choices are a welcome relief. The camera actually moves in interesting ways as opposed to the cliché movements employed in Prisoner’s predecessors. The decision to show the passing of time through seasons and how they affect the Whomping Willow, while frowned upon by many, is simply marvelous and is further evidence that there’s a lack of creative imagination in Stone and Chamber.

In regards to the acting, and this is an unpopular opinion, Michael Gambon’s portrayal as Dumbledore in Prisoner is superior to Richard Harris’. He plays calm, collective, and cool all wrapped into one, and you don’t have to listen to a grasping voice hoping to be able to discern what’s being spoken. Gary Oldman’s performance as Sirius Black never fails to disappoint.

Unfortunately, all of this glowing praise for Prisoner must come to a halt as there are problems with the film. The humor is unfunny and the slapstick portions are quite grating. The repetitious nature of the humor during the Knight Bus scene is just as annoying as it is ridiculous. Another problem presents itself with the Time Turner sequences. Time travel by definition is ridiculous in every sense of the word and it’s rarely well done on screen, but the scenes in Prisoner are great upon first viewing. Sadly, they seem to drag with each subsequent viewing because you are going through scenes that have already taken place earlier in the film, although from a different point of view. Another fault lies in the visual effects and how Buckbeak simply looks unreal. The entire rendering looks soft and the lighting is completely off, giving the feathers on the hippogriff an unnatural, and wholly unrealistic look.

The final complaint I have saved for last and it’s a fault against Daniel Radcliffe and the director. It’s simply unbearable when Harry, crying, screams that Sirius Black “was [his parent’s] friend!” The lack of emoting properly on Radcliffe’s part and Cuarón’s choice to accept the performance is unacceptable. That line takes you out of the aftermath of a great expository scene because it’s so terribly delivered.

Overall, Prisoner of Azkaban is a worthy and excellent sequel. It quashes the main faults of the first two films in the series and fixes them, while leaving the audience wondering what else is in store for the boy wizard and his companions.

HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE

Hot on the heels of the splendid Prisoner of Azkaban, director Mike Newell’s Goblet of Fire seems like a lovely film at first, but after paying close attention, it’s nothing more than mediocrity. It’s far better than Stone and Chamber, however. The opening is a great one and it, like Prisoner, promises the audience a treat in the visual department. Nothing seems visually unnatural or bland in Goblet and the only problems are the ones involving the pacing, creative decisions, and lack of exposition to inform the audience who haven’t read the novel.

One of Goblet’s biggest problems involves the unintentional humor, which is first seen after the Quidditch World Cup when the Death Eaters arrive in outfits that border on parody. Are they supposed to look like remnants of the Ku Klux Klan? Death Eaters are apparently a ruthless bunch but their entrance suggests otherwise. More of this type of humor is present when select students from Beauxbatons and Durmstrang are introduced. The way the Beauxbatons enter the Great Hall and perform whatever those vocalizations are is ridiculous and completely laughable. It’s made even worse when magical objects flutter about near the end of the presentation. The Durmstrang entrance is doubly so as you listen to the terrible music accompanying a useless display of unimpressive acrobatics. These are some examples of the terrible creative decisions by the filmmakers.

As for pacing, the film begins to suffer after the Triwizard champions are chosen; everything before it flows perfectly. We have to sit through Harry and Ron acting like stupid children when they aren’t on speaking terms, and even witness Hermione acting as an intermediary. More problems occur during the first task of the Triwizard tournament where Harry has an overlong altercation with a dragon. The entire chase is ridiculous, exaggerated, and difficult to sit through upon further viewings. How Harry manages what he did at his age, without the aid of magic (excluding his broom), is beyond me.

The best moment in the entire film happens after the third task when Lord Voldemort returns. Ralph Fiennes’ excellent acting makes sitting through what came before it completely worth it. He manages to act menacingly without being overdramatic, which can’t be said for David Tennant’s performance as Barty Crouch Jr. The duel between Harry and Voldemort is a visual feat but what happens confuses the audience who haven’t read the novel. This is where an expository scene would have been nice instead of Dumbledore simply naming the effect. The wands connected yes, but why did apparitions appear? Why did Harry’s parents appear? It’s possible that these viewers can put two and two together, but Dumbledore needed to tell Harry because he is completely confused by the phenomenon when he makes an inquiry.

The Goblet of Fire is another worthy sequel in the series, even with its mediocrity. The series takes a slightly darker turn with this entry and that trend continues with the next sequel.

HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX, THE HALF-BLOOD PRINCE, AND THE DEATHLY HALLOWS PART I

David Yates worked almost exclusively in the television medium until he helmed Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. He did such a wonderful job, at least enough to satisfy Warner Bros., that he was asked to come back for Half-Blood Prince and eventually the rest of the series. Thank God for that.

If there’s one complaint thrown at Phoenix the most it’s that it has the shortest run time at 2 hours and 18 minutes. It works and for the best because that extra twelve minutes to make it two and a half hours could have been filled with boring, tedious moments and would have mirrored every film that came before it. The pacing in Phoenix is impeccable. There isn’t a moment where I’m checking to see how much time remains. This is because Yates’ creative decisions and the series new screenwriter keep your eyes glued to the screen and wanting more.

Yates employs a montage during the film utilizing the unique properties of newspapers in the wizarding world: pictures on the page move. Instead of short, repeated movements, the camera moves into the images and we see full-length video. This is such an improvement over the students sitting down in the Great Hall and reading the Daily Prophet (Prisoner). Another excellent decision was the changing of the look of Prisoner’s dementors; they actually look threatening and don’t resemble the Nazgul from Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy. Sure it’s an inconsistency, but the change didn’t break a rule within the universe established in an earlier chapter.

More complaints levied against the film include Nicholas Hooper’s score and the look of the Ministry of Magic. When Hooper’s score is played over the film’s opening, we know that we won’t be hearing too many bombastic notes that the previous films have included. Instead, there are instances of subtle musical nuances that, when the time is right, erupt to complement the scene. Hooper’s cheery music is also excellent, especially Umbridge’s theme as it represents how she’s feeling after her successful attempts to take over Hogwarts. As for the Ministry of Magic, it looks stellar and makes sense when put into the context of how the new Minister of Magic operates. His ego is on display when we see the gigantic photo of him hanging in the atrium and fits with his desire for power.

The acting has also improved in Phoenix, especially Radcliffe’s. He convincingly acts like an angry teenager who feels abandoned by friends and prominent figures in his life. His performance after Sirius dies is such an improvement over that lone performance in Prisoner that I mentioned. Helena Bonham Carter’s introduction is menacingly great and her acting abilities are on display in the Ministry of Magic. She also has one of the best lines in the film, “Neville Longbottom, is it? How’s mum and dad?” To say that to the child whose parents you tortured is darkly humorous.

One of the few complaints I have is that the visual effects are not always consistent. For instance, Grawp is simply not well-rendered and doesn’t fit in the scenes well with the cast. Another example of mediocre visual effects includes the centaurs taking Umbridge away after she insults and attacks them. The best effects sequence in the entire film takes place when Voldemort and Dumbledore finally duel. Seeing all of the glass in the atrium shatter after Voldemort deflects the two’s connecting spells is marvelous, and even more so when Dumbledore turns the shards into sand as they race toward him.

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is the superior sequel up to this point in the series and the high quality therein continues with its successor.

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince is the second best film in the series to date. After taking a break and not scribing the screenplay for Order of the Phoenix, Steve Kloves returns and steps up his game. None of the problems that plague the first four movies are present here and it seems that the time he took off shaped his writing. The film is expertly paced and the dialogue mostly sharp.

While Prince appears to be a tale of sexual politics, it is balanced quite well with the darker material, namely Draco Malfoy’s subplot and the plot of unraveling the Dark Lord’s past. The former is done very, very well and manages to keep you interested even during repeat viewings. Hooper’s score is perfect during those scenes, just like the rest of the film. The memory sequences are well crafted and show that Voldemort was devious as a child and a teenager like he is now, and wants to know all he can to become all-powerful.

Prince’s cinematography surpasses every film before it thanks to Bruno Delbonnel, known for his work on Amélie. He creates a dark, moody, and murky feel to the Potter universe that we haven’t seen since Prisoner. This feeling fits the film’s material perfectly, even during cheery and romantic scenes.

The acting is mostly top notch. Actress Jesse Cave disgusts the audience with her ability to portray Ron’s creepy and obsessed love interest, Lavender Brown. Kloves and Yates respectively wrote and directed her performance to be over the top. Veteran actor Jim Broadbent makes his first appearance as the new potions professor, Horace Slughorn. Broadbent can play goofy and tragic at the drop of the hat. He has one of the most sentimental scenes in the entire movie: the recitation of a gift Lily Potter gave him before, as Aunt Petunia says in Stone, she “got herself blown up.” Tom Felton’s performance is superior to the acting by the trio. He gives off an heir of frightfulness as he scrambles to complete his assigned mission in time. Radcliffe, Watson, and Grint didn’t step up at all in their performance which is completely unfortunate. Alan Rickman leaves a sense of ambiguity to his performance throughout, which is nearly flawless. For Dumbledore, Michael Gambon continues to prove that he is better than Richard Harris.

The outstanding Half-Blood Prince paves the way for the first part in the final chapter of the series. It all comes down to these final two to determine whether or not we have spent the last decade wasting our time with the film series. Will David Yates complete his vision and leave us satisfied? For Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part I, he most certainly has.

Part one of the final chapter is indeed the best film in the entire series up to this point, in every respect. Even with its faults it manages to engage and impress the audience. There is very little to consider negative here. Kloves and Yates have outdone themselves with this installment. They both have created the darkest movie yet and it’s a great sigh of relief.

Hallows, Part 1 finally brings an immensely dark tone to the series that has been needed since Chamber ended. The sense of the trio’s isolation is felt throughout and emphasized by the prolonged period of them camping alone in the wilderness. The altercations and interactions they have with one another exemplify that even further. Consider the verbal and slightly physical fight Harry and Ron have. While Ron’s feelings are mostly brought on by the Horcrux, remnants of those feelings are there for it to feed on. He ends up leaving, abandoning Harry and Hermione. Harry tries to cheer her up but it doesn’t work well at all.

This uneasy, gloomy feeling about the world is given more prominence when you hear the names of the numerous dead on the radio Ron has in his possession. Their world is now erupting in war and no enemy is spared. The parallels to Nazi Germany, while unfortunately not subtle, shows what the wizarding world is becoming with ruthless individuals in power.

After seeing Prince, I thought that the cinematography would never be surpassed but it has. The camerawork in Hallows, Part 1 is quite shaky but that effect is used artistically to show the frantic nature of the trio’s journey. A perfect example would entail the scene where the actor playing the disguised Harry enters Umbridge’s room to look for the locket. As he’s scrambling through desk drawers looking for the locket, the camera begins to sway back and forth, up and down, showing that he’s anxious to find it. The camera then becomes mostly steady as he stares at photos of enemy combatants, including the now-deceased Dumbledore. More excellent camerawork is on display when the trio is trying to escape the Snatchers on foot. Things are chaotic for the trio and the shaky camerawork is used to note this.

Yates has managed to bring out the best performances in the trio. Watson has never been better and the opening scene with Hermione wiping her parents’ memories shows that she has it in her to do more. The breaking of the trio resulting from Harry and Ron fighting is expertly performed by Radcliffe and Grint. The latter convincingly acts like the horcrux is feeding on his negative emotions. Helena Bonham Carter increases her sadistic Bellatrix performance as she tortures Hermione.

The visual effects and the score are top of the line. The best effects sequence involves Harry and Hermione in a sexually-charged embrace. While a combination of live action and computer graphics, it’s impressive and erotic enough to enable Ron to destroy the horcrux housing the faux-couple. As for the score, it is superior to every score in the series, including Williams’, which was already beaten by Hooper’s work. The music used for the Death Eaters is simply fantastic and when Voldemort gets his hands on the Elder Wand, his score erupts to let the audience know that the trio is in danger.

The only faults against the film involve Dobby and the humor associated with him. The Malfoy Manor scene, while outstanding, is jarring when he comes into the mix with stupid humor. The inclusion of Dobby is only there for fan service because, logically, it makes no sense for him to make an appearance after being absent for four films. I personally think Dobby should have been scrapped and replaced with Kreacher.

Yates is the best director in the series. He has an eye for visuals that surpasses every other director and he managed to direct the best performances the series has seen. With the work he has done on Phoenix, Prince, and Hallows, Part 1, I know that the final chapter in the saga will satisfy me.
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Harry Potter 1 and 2 are the closest to the books, and are the most whimsical of the films, I don't really know what you are saying when you say they look boring.

I dislike the hatred for the first 2, they are family films and people forget that, because the films progressively get older with the character, it doesn't mean 1 and 2 wasn't as good. It just means they are just a starting point of the series which eventually came to deal with far more adult problems. Harry Potter is one of the few literature characters that grew up with the people who read them (including me).
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Harry Potter 1 and 2 are the closest to the books, and are the most whimsical of the films, I don't really know what you are saying when you say they look boring.

I dislike the hatred for the first 2, they are family films and people forget that, because the films progressively get older with the character, it doesn't mean 1 and 2 wasn't as good. It just means they are just a starting point of the series which eventually came to deal with far more adult problems. Harry Potter is one of the few literature characters that grew up with the people who read them (including me).
Agreed. Yes, the first two may not be as dark and foreboding as the others, but that's because it's a family film as Foggy said. It was our introduction into the world, and they did it really well. Don't tell me the first time you saw Hogwarts from the lake, with all the first years in the boots didn't give you chills. If you read the books, that scene blew your mind because it looked so much like you had envisioned it. Those first two films set the precedence for the rest of the series. It's hard to fault them for being that way because thats how the books were. And it worked. As you read the books, you were growing up, as were the characters. The older we got, the older the characters got, the more dangerous the series became. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
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The only faults against the film involve Dobby and the humor associated with him. The Malfoy Manor scene, while outstanding, is jarring when he comes into the mix with stupid humor. The inclusion of Dobby is only there for fan service because, logically, it makes no sense for him to make an appearance after being absent for four films. I personally think Dobby should have been scrapped and replaced with Kreacher.



They don't escape without Dobby. His presence should be explained
[Show spoiler]by Aberforth
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BTW, the Fourth film is the one with the most incoherent plot. Revealing Tenant in both the opening scene and the subsequent Quidditch World Cup sequence removes the mystery of who is behind all the treacherous goings-on. Subsequently, one would surmise that subplots revolving around Harry's self-doubts would have been axed....but they weren't.

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I don't think this guy has read the books, saying Dobby is "fan service"
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I don't think this guy has read the books, saying Dobby is "fan service"
He says he did.

I understand his point that Dobby has disappeared from the film series, but Kreacher hasn't been utilized properly either. My argument would have been that Dobby should have been a more regularly recurring character throughout the series, rather than making the monetary decision to cut him from some of the films. If Dobby was properly utilized in the previous films, then his re-appearance in the seventh film wouldn't have seemed so out of place to non-readers, and his death would have held more emotional weight.

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He says he did.

I understand his point that Dobby has disappeared from the film series, but Kreacher hasn't been utilized properly either. My argument would have been that Dobby should have been a more regularly recurring character throughout the series, rather than making the monetary decision to cut him from some of the films. If Dobby was properly utilized in the previous films, then his re-appearance in the sixth film wouldn't have seemed so out of place to non-readers, and his death would have held more emotional weight.
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He says he did.

I understand his point that Dobby has disappeared from the film series, but Kreacher hasn't been utilized properly either. My argument would have been that Dobby should have been a more regularly recurring character throughout the series, rather than making the monetary decision to cut him from some of the films. If Dobby was properly utilized in the previous films, then his re-appearance in the sixth film wouldn't have seemed so out of place to non-readers, and his death would have held more emotional weight.
Absolutely. They wasted Dobby as a character by not having him in the other movies, so when he showed up in 7, it felt really random. I wish they had used him in all the movies after 2 like they did in the books. Because it really would have made his death that much more intense and sad. But it wasn't fan service at all. They can't kill Kreacher, he's too important to the rest of the story. It had to be Dobby. Not to mention Kreacher's death wouldn't have affected Harry as Dobby's did. Saying it's fan service is just ridiculous.
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Nice spoiler tags there guys, for the people haven't seen or read anything about 7.1 or 7.2. Hermione liked Dobby enough for everyone anyway so I think it's fine.
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Nice spoiler tags there guys, for the people haven't seen or read anything about 7.1 or 7.2. Hermione liked Dobby enough for everyone anyway so I think it's fine.
Sorry man, didn't even think about that. I figured that being an analysis of the series meant we would be talking pretty openly about spoilers.
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Sorry man, didn't even think about that. I figured that being an analysis of the series meant we would be talking pretty openly about spoilers.
He's just an angry adolescent trying to pick a fight. I heard his mother was killed by sand people. oops, should I have used a spoiler tag?
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Anyway, back on topic. I think an interesting analysis would have been to take two people, one who's read the books and one who hasn't, to see how many plot holes and continuity errors exist in the films which book readers tend to overlook because of the knowledge from the other form of media. One example of this would be the mirror shard in the seventh film.

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He's just an angry adolescent trying to pick a fight. I heard his mother was killed by sand people. oops, should I have used a spoiler tag?
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Dobby only really came back into the story between books 2 & 6 when it was related to SPEW though……unless I’m forgetting something.

The whole SPEW subplot would never have worked in this series, it had absolutely nothing to do w/the overall story when it came to harry & voldemort.

Yeah, they could’ve had him pop up here and there in the griffendor common room but that would’ve been about it.

By cutting out winky from book 4, he had no real business being in that movie then.
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:18 PM   #14
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By cutting out winky from book 4, he had no real business being in that movie then.
Dobby gave Harry the Gillyweed and Boomslang Skin which he had stolen from Snape's office at the suggestion of Barty Crouch Jr. In the movie they attribute that to Neville, so that they can beat us over the head with Mad-Eye's influence.
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Dobby gave Harry the Gillyweed and Boomslang Skin which he had stolen from Snape's office at the suggestion of Barty Crouch Jr. In the movie they attribute that to Neville, so that they can beat us over the head with Mad-Eye's influence.
Yep. That always bothered me that they switched that...
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Harry Potter 1 and 2 are the closest to the books, and are the most whimsical of the films, I don't really know what you are saying when you say they look boring.
That they are the closest to the books is irrelevant to my analysis and my opinion. I explained why I don't compare the novels to what's on screen. Everything I described is how I feel. The overall look is bland, the films feel longer than they really are, and the visual effects blow. If you compare the look of the castle and the castle grouds in the first and second films to the rest sans the seven, they look like utter crap. The set designer could have smeared vomit all over the exterior and it would have looked better (this is hyperbole).

I have read the books, and yes, Dobby is nothing but fan service and whose main goal, arguably, is emotional manipulation. It is simply illogical to introduce a character absent for four films. Of course Kreacher wasn't present for a long time, but it would be more logical to use him than Dobby, and he would have sufficed. I mean, using Kreacher gets rid of the two instances of deus ex machina non-readers complained about. Dobby's reintroduction into the series is terribly written. Kreacher's role could be extended to the next film. I've even posited having the trio watch him get executed if we really need an elf death.

Can we please only discuss the films and not make comparisons to the novels? It makes for more interesting discussion and is an equally interesting intellectual exercise.
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Yep. That always bothered me that they switched that...
I also believe Dobby was the one who came up with the idea to use the Room of Requirement as the headquarters of Dumbledore's Army. He had been using it as a sort of unsuccessful rehab clinic for Winky, IIRC.
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The first two potter films are directed by Columbus, aka the producer's director. They wanted to make the first two films as bland and family friendly as possible, so that they could have guaranteed revenue going forward. You have to remember, Columbus made Home Alone the highest grossing film of it's time. He was a director who was capable of working with children, getting things done on time, and within a budget. He was the safest choice of all the possible candidates, and (from what I understand) the most receptive to using an entirely British cast(Spielberg wanted to cast Haley Joel Osment as Potter).

In regards to the special effects and comparing it to The Lord of The Rings, you should recall that The Lord of the Rings revolutionized special effects most particularly the use of motion capture for cgi-based creatures.

I must admit that I find it difficult to discuss these films without making comparisons to the novels, most particularly when issues arrive in the films which are directly resultant from deviations from the source material. Dobby's reappearance in the seventh film is only distracting because of choices made to remove him from previous films.

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Dobby only really came back into the story between books 2 & 6 when it was related to SPEW though……unless I’m forgetting something.

The whole SPEW subplot would never have worked in this series, it had absolutely nothing to do w/the overall story when it came to harry & voldemort.

Yeah, they could’ve had him pop up here and there in the griffendor common room but that would’ve been about it.

By cutting out winky from book 4, he had no real business being in that movie then.
I don't even remember who Winky is... Guessing he's a random house elf. I stand among those who think 1 and 2 are enchanting but also the weakest of the films to date.
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Dobby gave Harry the Gillyweed and Boomslang Skin which he had stolen from Snape's office at the suggestion of Barty Crouch Jr. In the movie they attribute that to Neville, so that they can beat us over the head with Mad-Eye's influence.
that's right..... i forgot about that. that actually bothered me the 1st time i saw they changed that.

as far as the op wanting to not discuss the novel's compared to the books....u have to respect the source material and can't expect a writer to go and change anything/everything they want.
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