PS3 Backwards Compatibility - Blu-ray Forum

cathexist · 10-10-2007, 03:23 PM

(I know this thread has probably been done, but stick with me here)

Is the loss of backwards compatibility that big of a deal on the new 40gig PS3?

Let me know what your opinion is.

I don't see too much of a downside to this except for long time gamers. Of course if you have your old collection of PS1 and PS2 games you are going to want backwards compatibility, but if you are a new gamer, or you are purchasing a system for your child, does it really matter? You'll be getting those new games, not collecting those old ones.

I'm glad I have a PS3 WITH backwards compatibility simply because of the fact that I have all the Suikoden series on PS1 and PS2, but as I said, for new gamers this shouldn't be an issue at all.

Plus...you know that little fact that it still plays blu-rays

tiger roach · 10-10-2007, 03:29 PM

For me, yes. I got hooked on my nephew's Guitar Hero PS2 game, and am considering getting a console so I can play it at home. I want a PS3 even though a PS2 would be cheap, but I want to be current. (My blu-ray player is a standalone). It will need to be a PS2 compatible PS3 to play GH 1 & 2.

The problem with all of this is the image of a grown man playing "Iron Man" on that toy plastic guitar.

Plus my wife may beat me...

Sane · 10-10-2007, 03:35 PM

Well I was in the middle of FFXII when I got my PS3 - so backward compatibility was important at the time but in the end, I stopped playing it.

sj001 · 10-10-2007, 03:36 PM

...I mentioned this in another thread, but there is a very good possibility that a firmware update next Spring is supposed to address some of the PS2 backwards compatibility issues.

jdsanko · 10-10-2007, 03:42 PM

My son is the game player and I asked him what he thought about the lack of BC on the new 40GB PS3. He felt it was NOT an issue as he really never goes back to the old games because the video quality is so much better on the new ones. AND our PS2 (which was my first DVD player) still works fine after all of these years of use and abuse.

Bottom line, I don't think it will be an issue for many many folks. If they can come in at $349 what a win. My guess it will be $400.

nails · 10-10-2007, 03:46 PM

It's not a loss at all. It's a choice. You already have a PS2, and they have made hundreads of millions of PS2s over the past 7 years. Also You can always go with the 80gb. Which is backwards compatable with most PS2 games, just not as much as the 60gb model. Eventually they will put in the resouces to code a full emulation engine for the PS3. For now you have a choice, and you still have a PS2.

Luis_A51 · 10-10-2007, 03:47 PM

I have pretty big PS2 and PS1 collections. I like the upconverting feature of my PS3 as it makes games like Okami look MUCH better than playing them on my PS2.

However I have known since trying to play Xenogears (fav game of all time by far) on my PS2 that BC isnt 100% and so I have always kept my PS1 and PS2 close by in case one of my games didnt work on my PS3. One of the greatest firmware upgrades in my mind was the ability to put info BACK onto a memory card from the PS3 hard drive. That way I never had to worry about getting a few hours or more into a PS1/PS2 game on my PS3 and then getting to a point where it just wouldnt work anymore. Now if that happens ill just take my info over and continue on my PS1/Ps2.

Another thing is that a lot of great series got their start on the PS1/PS2 and im the kind of person that likes going through the entire series (Like Resident Evil or God of War) so that would suck for those folks, in the event that they didnt have a PS1 or PS2. But considering the prices of used equip, it isnt so crazy to just go out and buy those too. I guess im a little divided on the issue, im just glad mine has BC.

cathexist · 10-10-2007, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiger roach

For me, yes. I got hooked on my nephew's Guitar Hero PS2 game, and am considering getting a console so I can play it at home. I want a PS3 even though a PS2 would be cheap, but I want to be current. (My blu-ray player is a standalone). It will need to be a PS2 compatible PS3 to play GH 1 & 2.

The problem with all of this is the image of a grown man playing "Iron Man" on that toy plastic guitar.

Plus my wife may beat me...

Course guitar hero 1 and 2 aren't really playable on the PS3 until guitar hero 3 comes out (end of this month). Of course, the PS3 version of GH3 might have the option to download the songs from the other games as well (at least that's what I'm hoping, I want that 80s stuff), that's what they did with the 360 version of GH2.

scook · 10-10-2007, 03:52 PM

In my oppinion Backward Compatibility is pointless, i guess playing old games is a good feature but most people who have old games have a PS2 or PS, I think that by buying a NEW system you are interested in NEW Games and also the new 40 Gig will contain the most innovative technology currently known to man yes you all guessed it Blu ray.

"Experience High Definition."

-Cook

Musashi · 10-10-2007, 04:02 PM

Backwards compatibity is a big deal, and I'm glad I got me a 60G PS3 while they were around.

Playing old games on new systems generally improves them by way of reducing slowdown and load times, and sometimes adding graphical fixes.

I especially liked seeing that the PS3 can boost PS1/2 games to HD resolution. That adds new life my existing collection.

Finally, however popular the PS1 and 2 are, there will still be those who will be getting the PS3 as their first PlayStation system. I like the idea that the older systems are still alove in some way, especially if a US publisher entertains the idea of bringing some games that weren't translated into English at first over to the US later on. I also have to figure that in time, my old PlayStations may stop working; it'd be nice not to have to go digging through auctions to replace them.

JimSD · 10-10-2007, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cathexist

I don't see too much of a downside to this except for long time gamers. Of course if you have your old collection of PS1 and PS2 games you are going to want backwards compatibility, but if you are a new gamer, or you are purchasing a system for your child, does it really matter? You'll be getting those new games, not collecting those old ones.

The PS3 is our family's first game console and the backwards compatibility has been important for us. The games our younger child is interested in are all PS2 games. Without BC he wouldn't be getting any use out of the system. The same goes for my wife. We would be more likely to buy the 40GB PS3 for another room if it had BC.

jediknight182 · 10-10-2007, 04:12 PM

I feel that BC is a big deal. With all the electronics attached to my TV I don't have space for an older system and I still like to play my old games. It still surprises me that Sony is removing this feature after they made such a big deal about it when they announced the system.

shatta · 10-10-2007, 04:56 PM

what is a ps2/ ps1 game?

....

Cyorg · 10-10-2007, 05:04 PM

It's not really important. There are a few games I'll still play sometimes though, but I didn't buy a PS3 to play previous gen games.

noi375 · 10-10-2007, 05:18 PM

I find it surprising that the new SKU will have BC compatibility issue, since from my understanding, the old "new" SKU already have the EE chip removed, and BC still works (just at a lower percentage), so why would the new SKU make BC doesn't work? Assuming they use software only emulation, it shouldn't be a problem - provided someone wrote the driver for it. So I guess is they haven't finish the software only driver, and therefore BC is a question during its initial release.

Personally, I think it can be a big deal for gamers, since for some people, free space under the TV is always limited (not to mention port on the receiver or what not), and they want to play old games from time to time, not to mention there are still some PS2 games being released. I just wish Sony would be forthcoming with information instead of letting the Sony haters basically spreading mis-information/rumors just to hurt Sony.

actionhank · 10-10-2007, 05:23 PM

I bought a PS3 for PS3 games.

If I wanted PS2 games then I would have stuck with my PS2 which i've had since 2003. But I traded that in to get oblivion.

So loss of backwards compatibility is a total non-issue for me.

Pilam69 · 10-10-2007, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sj001

...I mentioned this in another thread, but there is a very good possibility that a firmware update next Spring is supposed to address some of the PS2 backwards compatibility issues.

It simply does not have the ability to be backwards compatible. Sony has announced that they will not and CANNOT make the 40GB console backwards compatible due to the fact that they removed specific components from the 40GB chipset.

That said, you can still buy a 60GB or 80GB model and be ok. 60GB model is practically bulletproof for backwards compatability since it contains the PS2 chipset in its entirety.

The 40GB PS3 is for the new gamer or, more specifically, the person looking for a "cheap" entry into Blu-Ray. It's fairly transparent that Sony thinks it can draw the fence sitters in with a console that "does it all." And, in my opinion they are onto something. I don't think it is neccesarily true that every person buying one will want to watch movies only or vice versa but some folks will feel better knowing that they have the option and they didn't spend $400 for "just" a blu-ray player, or "just" a game system.

Sony is one killer app away from the momentum they have been chasing. I just wish I knew when that was coming.

Pilam69 · 10-10-2007, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noi375

I find it surprising that the new SKU will have BC compatibility issue, since from my understanding, the old "new" SKU already have the EE chip removed, and BC still works (just at a lower percentage), so why would the new SKU make BC doesn't work? Assuming they use software only emulation, it shouldn't be a problem - provided someone wrote the driver for it. So I guess is they haven't finish the software only driver, and therefore BC is a question during its initial release.

Personally, I think it can be a big deal for gamers, since for some people, free space under the TV is always limited (not to mention port on the receiver or what not), and they want to play old games from time to time, not to mention there are still some PS2 games being released. I just wish Sony would be forthcoming with information instead of letting the Sony haters basically spreading mis-information/rumors just to hurt Sony.

Or, more specifically, they won't. They announced that software only emulation was just too big and expensive of a project for them to tackle. The fact is that the emotion engine allowed so many disparate types of programming to work well that they would likely have the buggiest emulation ever. I think they are right in the fact that if you can't do it well then don't do it at all. Ironically, 100% of PS1 games should still be compatible with the new system.

By the way, Sony has been pretty up front on this, check out the official Sony blog where they have discussed this situation and their reasoning. I don't like them stopping the backwards compatibility but I do like them giving the consumer a choice (albeit driven by price) on what they want to do.

Sorry for the double post but I thought both comments deserved some clarification.

T-Town Oil · 10-10-2007, 05:40 PM

my guess is if you had to have one, you could probably find a ps2 at a pawn shop for about 50 bucks if you look hard enough

MouseRider · 10-11-2007, 03:48 AM

I have my current PS3 which is PS2 compatible, it will stay that way it is of no consequence to me.

Regardless I still have a working PS2 with a HDD.

If I was buying a PS3 today would it matter? Probably not.

10-10-2007, 03:23 PM	#1
cathexist Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Aurora, CO 4K collection:302 Blu-ray collection:1253 DVD collection:73 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:8	PS3 Backwards Compatibility (I know this thread has probably been done, but stick with me here) Is the loss of backwards compatibility that big of a deal on the new 40gig PS3? Let me know what your opinion is. I don't see too much of a downside to this except for long time gamers. Of course if you have your old collection of PS1 and PS2 games you are going to want backwards compatibility, but if you are a new gamer, or you are purchasing a system for your child, does it really matter? You'll be getting those new games, not collecting those old ones. I'm glad I have a PS3 WITH backwards compatibility simply because of the fact that I have all the Suikoden series on PS1 and PS2, but as I said, for new gamers this shouldn't be an issue at all. Plus...you know that little fact that it still plays blu-rays

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10-10-2007, 03:29 PM	#2
tiger roach Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Houston, TX Blu-ray collection:141 Blu-ray reviews:1	For me, yes. I got hooked on my nephew's Guitar Hero PS2 game, and am considering getting a console so I can play it at home. I want a PS3 even though a PS2 would be cheap, but I want to be current. (My blu-ray player is a standalone). It will need to be a PS2 compatible PS3 to play GH 1 & 2. The problem with all of this is the image of a grown man playing "Iron Man" on that toy plastic guitar. Plus my wife may beat me...

10-10-2007, 03:35 PM	#3
Sane Active Member Member since:May 2007 Location:Ottawa, Canada	Well I was in the middle of FFXII when I got my PS3 - so backward compatibility was important at the time but in the end, I stopped playing it.

10-10-2007, 03:36 PM	#4
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	...I mentioned this in another thread, but there is a very good possibility that a firmware update next Spring is supposed to address some of the PS2 backwards compatibility issues.

10-10-2007, 03:42 PM	#5
jdsanko Member Member since:Jun 2007	My son is the game player and I asked him what he thought about the lack of BC on the new 40GB PS3. He felt it was NOT an issue as he really never goes back to the old games because the video quality is so much better on the new ones. AND our PS2 (which was my first DVD player) still works fine after all of these years of use and abuse. Bottom line, I don't think it will be an issue for many many folks. If they can come in at $349 what a win. My guess it will be $400.

10-10-2007, 03:46 PM	#6
nails Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	It's not a loss at all. It's a choice. You already have a PS2, and they have made hundreads of millions of PS2s over the past 7 years. Also You can always go with the 80gb. Which is backwards compatable with most PS2 games, just not as much as the 60gb model. Eventually they will put in the resouces to code a full emulation engine for the PS3. For now you have a choice, and you still have a PS2.

10-10-2007, 03:47 PM	#7
Luis_A51 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Calgary, AB Blu-ray reviews:4	I have pretty big PS2 and PS1 collections. I like the upconverting feature of my PS3 as it makes games like Okami look MUCH better than playing them on my PS2. However I have known since trying to play Xenogears (fav game of all time by far) on my PS2 that BC isnt 100% and so I have always kept my PS1 and PS2 close by in case one of my games didnt work on my PS3. One of the greatest firmware upgrades in my mind was the ability to put info BACK onto a memory card from the PS3 hard drive. That way I never had to worry about getting a few hours or more into a PS1/PS2 game on my PS3 and then getting to a point where it just wouldnt work anymore. Now if that happens ill just take my info over and continue on my PS1/Ps2. Another thing is that a lot of great series got their start on the PS1/PS2 and im the kind of person that likes going through the entire series (Like Resident Evil or God of War) so that would suck for those folks, in the event that they didnt have a PS1 or PS2. But considering the prices of used equip, it isnt so crazy to just go out and buy those too. I guess im a little divided on the issue, im just glad mine has BC.

10-10-2007, 03:52 PM	#9
scook Senior Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Home Theater Gallery:14 Blu-ray collection:171	In my oppinion Backward Compatibility is pointless, i guess playing old games is a good feature but most people who have old games have a PS2 or PS, I think that by buying a NEW system you are interested in NEW Games and also the new 40 Gig will contain the most innovative technology currently known to man yes you all guessed it Blu ray. "Experience High Definition." -Cook

10-10-2007, 04:02 PM	#10
Musashi Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Manchester, CT Home Theater Gallery:5 4K collection:25 Blu-ray collection:337 Blu-ray reviews: 1	Backwards compatibity is a big deal, and I'm glad I got me a 60G PS3 while they were around. Playing old games on new systems generally improves them by way of reducing slowdown and load times, and sometimes adding graphical fixes. I especially liked seeing that the PS3 can boost PS1/2 games to HD resolution. That adds new life my existing collection. Finally, however popular the PS1 and 2 are, there will still be those who will be getting the PS3 as their first PlayStation system. I like the idea that the older systems are still alove in some way, especially if a US publisher entertains the idea of bringing some games that weren't translated into English at first over to the US later on. I also have to figure that in time, my old PlayStations may stop working; it'd be nice not to have to go digging through auctions to replace them.

10-10-2007, 04:12 PM	#12
jediknight182 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:New York City Trading Score:1	I feel that BC is a big deal. With all the electronics attached to my TV I don't have space for an older system and I still like to play my old games. It still surprises me that Sony is removing this feature after they made such a big deal about it when they announced the system.

10-10-2007, 04:56 PM	#13
shatta Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:New York	what is a ps2/ ps1 game? ....

10-10-2007, 05:04 PM	#14
Cyorg Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:San Antonio, TX. PSN ID: Cyorg Blu-ray collection:62 Blu-ray reviews:1	It's not really important. There are a few games I'll still play sometimes though, but I didn't buy a PS3 to play previous gen games.

10-10-2007, 05:18 PM	#15
noi375 Member Member since:Jul 2007	I find it surprising that the new SKU will have BC compatibility issue, since from my understanding, the old "new" SKU already have the EE chip removed, and BC still works (just at a lower percentage), so why would the new SKU make BC doesn't work? Assuming they use software only emulation, it shouldn't be a problem - provided someone wrote the driver for it. So I guess is they haven't finish the software only driver, and therefore BC is a question during its initial release. Personally, I think it can be a big deal for gamers, since for some people, free space under the TV is always limited (not to mention port on the receiver or what not), and they want to play old games from time to time, not to mention there are still some PS2 games being released. I just wish Sony would be forthcoming with information instead of letting the Sony haters basically spreading mis-information/rumors just to hurt Sony.

10-10-2007, 05:23 PM	#16
actionhank Senior Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Las Vegas, Nevada	I bought a PS3 for PS3 games. If I wanted PS2 games then I would have stuck with my PS2 which i've had since 2003. But I traded that in to get oblivion. So loss of backwards compatibility is a total non-issue for me.

10-10-2007, 05:40 PM	#19
T-Town Oil Expert Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Tulsa, Oklahoma Home Theater Gallery:20 Blu-ray collection:42 Blu-ray reviews:3	my guess is if you had to have one, you could probably find a ps2 at a pawn shop for about 50 bucks if you look hard enough

10-11-2007, 03:48 AM	#20
MouseRider Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	I have my current PS3 which is PS2 compatible, it will stay that way it is of no consequence to me. Regardless I still have a working PS2 with a HDD. If I was buying a PS3 today would it matter? Probably not.

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