Big difference between Epson 3010 and 5010?

[twilightfan]

Trying to decide on a projector and was wondering if anyone knew if there was a big difference for the 2 since there is a $1000 + difference between them
Thank you!

[spaceape]

Originally Posted by twilightfan

Trying to decide on a projector and was wondering if anyone knew if there was a big difference for the 2 since there is a $2000 + difference between them
Thank you!

The difference between the 3010 and the 5010 is much like the previous 8350 and the 8700UB.

In the light scenes you properly wont notice much difference. It's in the scenes were dark elements are introduced you will see it the most.

Epson Home Cinema 5010 vs. Epson Home Cinema 3010

What does the extra $1300 buy you (if both have 2 pair of glasses), when comparing the 5010 with the Home Cinema 3010?

First and foremost, you are getting a higher performance projector in terms of picture quality. The HC5010's black level performance is not only far superior, but it's also better than anything near its price above or below.

The HC5010 lacks the more "family room" friendly Home Cinema 3010 projector's pair of 10 watt speakers, but adds more placement flexibility with lens shift and a zoom lens with more range. Neither projector is particularly quiet in terms of audible noise. Both have the same excellent warranty. And same long lamp life.

The Home Cinema 5010 has dynamic features the HC3010 lacks. While the more expensive 5010 has full CFI for smooth motion, the Epson 3010 offers only the more basic FI - simple frame doubling. It also offers Super-Resolution a dynamic sharpening system the HC3010 lacks.

If you aren't a home theater fanatic, don't demand those really dark blacks, and just want a great projector for the family, with good color and a good feature set, go with the Home Cinema 3010. I doubt that any of those others, buying a Home Cinema 5010, when looking back, will regret their choice.

Outwardly, the Home Cinema 5010 resembles a larger Home Cinema 3010, though the similarities are only skin deep. Set up side by side, the differences in performance and image quality are striking: the 5010 has vastly deeper black levels, higher dynamic range, better color saturation, quieter operation, a quieter auto iris, and an overall sharper image. Then again, the 3010 is designed for home entertainment while the 5010 is built for home theater, so the 5010's better performance is not entirely unexpected.

Edit: Error on my side. looks like the picture quality/skintones is still improved. Although i think not as much as in blacks..there the difference is the biggest.

The difference may look a bit like this. -> Home Cinema 8700UB vs. Epson Home Cinema 8350

[bluman1981]

Originally Posted by twilightfan

Trying to decide on a projector and was wondering if anyone knew if there was a big difference for the 2 since there is a $2000 + difference between them
Thank you!

I've owned both. I now have the 5010 and love it. The 3010 is a great projector, but if your a videophile, you need to go with the 5010. Blacks are night and day better on the 5010. Color is better, detail is better. If you have the coin go with the 5010. Like the other guy that responded to your question, the picture with the 8700 vs 8350 is definitely accurate how the 5010 and 3010 would look side by side.

[twilightfan]

thank you!

[MrFattBill]

Surprised no one has said the 3010 doesn't offer any lens shift, that is a huge difference IMO. I'm also curious why neither show being able to do 1080p/24, an error I would hope

http://www.projectorcentral.com/part...509&pid_2=6511

Bill

[twilightfan]

Originally Posted by MrFattBill

Surprised no one has said the 3010 doesn't offer any lens shift, that is a huge difference IMO. I'm also curious why neither show being able to do 1080p/24, an error I would hope

http://www.projectorcentral.com/part...509&pid_2=6511

Bill

What is the lens shift?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by twilightfan

What is the lens shift?

lens shift is the ability to either move the picture left/right or up/down without moving the projector.

[Big Daddy]

The Epson 3010/5010 thread has links to most reviews for both projectors. It will be helpful to read them.

[EMAGDNIM]

If you can swing the added cost of the 5010, then buy it. Trust me, you'll thank yourself for doing so.

There's a definitive difference between those two models.

[MovieFanatic2010]

I have the 3010 coming Friday and i think not having lens shift will be a problem for me. I have my current projector (8350) is mounted from my ceiling and it pretty much points directly towards the top of my 100" fixed frame screen. My ceiling is real low about 7 ft. Do you think i will have to lower the projector so it will shoot straight at the screen. If i have to aim my projector down then i will be messing up the picture and i will have to use the keystone correction which i do not want to use... Also if i have to lower the projector to much it will be in the way. I cannot shelf mount because there is no where else to put it. Thanks

Here is pretty much where to lens height is...

[vega2K]

I'm in the market for a 3D projector, but one critical must have for me is for it to have Anamorphic Lens support. You can tell that it has it, if you are able to squeeze the image left and right (makes everything look skinny with black bars on the left and right of the screen). I checked the 5010 users manual but could not find it. I would appreciate it if someone could confirm that it does not. Thanks.

[Trogdor2010]

Originally Posted by vega2K

I'm in the market for a 3D projector, but one critical must have for me is for it to have Anamorphic Lens support. You can tell that it has it, if you are able to squeeze the image left and right (makes everything look skinny with black bars on the left and right of the screen). I checked the 5010 users manual but could not find it. I would appreciate it if someone could confirm that it does not. Thanks.

Hey Vega, been a while!

The 5010 model does not support an Anamorphic Lens, although the Pro 6010 does (That is $4000 however).

Projectorreviews.com

Anamorphic Lens - Wide Screen

Epson does not support an anamorphic lens with either the Home Cinema 5010 or the 5010e. The Pro Cinema 6010 is the one you want if an anamorphic lens is in your future. (The Pro costs more, but also comes with a 3rd year warranty, and I believe, a spare lamp and ceiling mount).

I might try to look at the Panasonic AE7000 (I think) or the JVC RS45 (Definitely has it; but do NOT go for the RS40, that only has stretch for 2D). Also worth noting that the entry level Optoma HD33 features V stretch with an A-lens too (although the throw distance is short however, not ideal for smaller A-lens).

If you still want to go with the Epson 5010, I might look into investing in a 3D HTPC, which depending on the gear and research online can allow you to make settings for V-stretch in 3D in the PC. You should be able to get a better value over the Pro series.

[vega2K]

Originally Posted by Trogdor2010

Hey Vega, been a while!

The 5010 model does not support an Anamorphic Lens, although the Pro 6010 does (That is $4000 however).



I might try to look at the Panasonic AE7000 (I think) or the JVC RS45 (Definitely has it; but do NOT go for the RS40, that only has stretch for 2D). Also worth noting that the entry level Optoma HD33 features V stretch with an A-lens too (although the throw distance is short however, not ideal for smaller A-lens).

If you still want to go with the Epson 5010, I might look into investing in a 3D HTPC, which depending on the gear and research online can allow you to make settings for V-stretch in 3D in the PC. You should be able to get a better value over the Pro series.

Thank you for the feedback! I will keep the models you mention in mind. I'm also considering the new BenQ W7000 DLP 3D Projector. I read some reviews and aside from the blacks not being optimal for a light controlled HT and Lumens in the 2000 range, it seems to kick @$$ on picture quality in both 2D and 3D. I prefer DLP image over LCD, supports Anamorphic lens, V&H shift, etc...and the price tag is also not bad in the $2500 range. I will make-up my mind in the next several weeks.

[MrFattBill]

Originally Posted by vega2K

Thank you for the feedback! I will keep the models you mention in mind. I'm also considering the new BenQ W7000 DLP 3D Projector. I read some reviews and aside from the blacks not being optimal for a light controlled HT and Lumens in the 2000 range, it seems to kick @$$ on picture quality in both 2D and 3D. I prefer DLP image over LCD, supports Anamorphic lens, V&H shift, etc...and the price tag is also not bad in the $2500 range. I will make-up my mind in the next several weeks.

I thought about the W7000 but just like the Sony Hw30 it uses manual controls for the lens functions. The AE4K spoiled me, lol.

Bill

[Flatnate]

You could still grab the Epson 5010 or 5010e as long as you feed it with a Oppo BDP-93 Blu-Ray player. That player has a stretch mode for anamorphic lens included in its zoom settings.

Quick edit: I'm not sure how many projectors will do vertical stretch WHILE at the same time doing 3D. That was questionable even on the JVC. You may have to go the HTPC route or get a Lumagen processor do both at once. I'm not sure of which if any have that ability with this years current crop of projectors. If anyone can verify the Panasonic or any other model doing both at the same time throw it up here, because I'm curious as well.

[EMAGDNIM]

Originally Posted by vega2K

Thank you for the feedback! I will keep the models you mention in mind. I'm also considering the new BenQ W7000 DLP 3D Projector. I read some reviews and aside from the blacks not being optimal for a light controlled HT and Lumens in the 2000 range, it seems to kick @$$ on picture quality in both 2D and 3D. I prefer DLP image over LCD, supports Anamorphic lens, V&H shift, etc...and the price tag is also not bad in the $2500 range. I will make-up my mind in the next several weeks.

The W7000 has a bit a a red push in both 2D and in 3D...It was mentioned on another forum that its more noticeable more with certain 3D glasses.

They are also sorting out some new firmware issues. They released it, only to take it back off the market.

[Trogdor2010]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

You could still grab the Epson 5010 or 5010e as long as you feed it with a Oppo BDP-93 Blu-Ray player. That player has a stretch mode for anamorphic lens included in its zoom settings.

Quick edit: I'm not sure how many projectors will do vertical stretch WHILE at the same time doing 3D. That was questionable even on the JVC. You may have to go the HTPC route or get a Lumagen processor do both at once. I'm not sure of which if any have that ability with this years current crop of projectors. If anyone can verify the Panasonic or any other model doing both at the same time throw it up here, because I'm curious as well.

The Oppo only offers V-stretch support for 3D movies that do not use Java, and a good percentage of early generation 3D blu rays have Java (I think it has been reduced based on the higher percentage of problems with PS3 users with Java 3D rather than Oppo CIH users).

Another critical issue is using subtitles with the 3D mode, granted I do not own an Oppo 93, I'm going to assume subtitle placement issues with 3D are going to reflect the v-stretch mode feature. God knows why they would put subtitles in the black bar for 3D though, so I wouldn't worry too much.

The JVC RS45 does allow V-stretch support as well as side-by-side 3D support (The RS40 lacks these), and the only consumer grade projector (I can think of) advertises this. BenQ usually advertise their projectors with V-stretch, although I don't think they directly mention if V-stretch can be done with 3D (I'd be shocked if it didn't), so I'd try look up for that.

Also (Mr. Fattbill) the JVC RS45 does support lens memory feature akin to the AE7000, although it's limited to three custom lens shift settings compared to the AE7000 or even 4000. Otherwise it's just as useful as the Panasonic projectors.

[ozzsoad]

Originally Posted by MovieFanatic2010

I have the 3010 coming Friday and i think not having lens shift will be a problem for me. I have my current projector (8350) is mounted from my ceiling and it pretty much points directly towards the top of my 100" fixed frame screen. My ceiling is real low about 7 ft. Do you think i will have to lower the projector so it will shoot straight at the screen. If i have to aim my projector down then i will be messing up the picture and i will have to use the keystone correction which i do not want to use... Also if i have to lower the projector to much it will be in the way. I cannot shelf mount because there is no where else to put it. Thanks

Here is pretty much where to lens height is...

[Show spoiler]

Mind me asking why you're replacing your 8350? I'm debating between spending less on a 2D projector (8350) or more on a 3D (3010). Is there a reason I should go with the latter?

[MovieFanatic2010]

I just set up my 3010 and my PS3 is not recognizing my 3D blu rays...i have tried 3 of them. Is there something i have to do to the PS3.......I does not recognize my 3010 a being a 3D display...Is there a setting on the Epson that i have to use ? thanks for your help

[Kryptron]

Originally Posted by MovieFanatic2010

I just set up my 3010 and my PS3 is not recognizing my 3D blu rays...i have tried 3 of them. Is there something i have to do to the PS3.......I does not recognize my 3010 a being a 3D display...Is there a setting on the Epson that i have to use ? thanks for your help

Did you run the auto display setup on the ps3? It should detect your epson is 3d capable and saves the settings. Without doing that your ps3 thinks you still have your previous or other display hooked up to it.


On a side note.. Does anyone know if the 5010 has a zoom/strech feature for displaying 2:35 1 content onto a 2:35 1 screen without using an anamorphic lens?