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[docjan_uk]

I was just thinking, all the HD DVD and Blu-ray debates raging, the thousands upong thousands of posts on this forum and pretty much all of it can be distilled in the following.

50 GB vs 30 GB.
40 Mbps vs 29.4 Mbps (video)
48 Mbps vs 30.24 Mbps (video + audio)
Hard coating vs no Hardcoating.
Full interactivity in next gen players vs full interactivity in current gen players.
3 exclusive studios and one shared vs 2 exclusive studios and one shared.
2:1 software sales in the US, ~4:1 software sales in Europe, 9:1 software sales in Japan.


All the rest is somewhat hot air and repetition of the above in some new and interesting ( ) way.

[Grisle]

Yep...I know.

[SNAP]

Yeah......but who likes to wrap things in tight, neat little packages........when they're losing??

[LordGamer]

Originally Posted by docjan_uk

50 GB vs 30 GB.
40 Mbps vs 29.4 Mbps (video)
48 Mbps vs 30.24 Mbps (video + audio)
Hard coating vs no Hardcoating.
Full interactivity in next gen players vs full interactivity in current gen players.
3 exclusive studios and one shared vs 2 exclusive studios and one shared.
2:1 software sales in the US, ~4:1 software sales in Europe, 9:1 software sales in Japan.

And that's what the industry sees. Well done. When a company considers to support BR or HD DVD, they review the info you posted. Not what some hyped up fanboy believes on some forum.

We are all able to talk about "what ifs" but they are just talk. A company is going to consider what's actual or a real possiblity. Not blog or forum propaganda by futile fanboys.

[Elandyll]

Please allow me to play the devil's advocate (despite me being a Blu-Ray convinced), and see what a HD DVD zealot would answer to you, to see what kind of (civilized) discussion we can have around a "which is the better format", destined to inform the non savy public.

50 GB vs 30 GB.

Toshiba has anounced a 51gb format, which was just accepted by the DVD forum in late September.

40 Mbps vs 29.4 Mbps (video)
48 Mbps vs 30.24 Mbps (video + audio)

HD DVD uses commonly the VC-1 codec, which results in very good visuals in recent movies, and specially when the compression is tighter vs the AVC codec. A lot of BD movies were produced in Mpeg2, and sometime still are, for inferior image quality (see 5th element).

Hard coating vs no Hardcoating.

The hardcoating is a necessity for BD, with its data layer so close to the surface. It is not so for the HD DVD, despite being more suscpetible to scratches. If it is a problem, pay more attention to your discs

Full interactivity in next gen players vs full interactivity in current gen players.

The BD standard was not finished for the longest time, only now at the end of october will 1.1 be officialized, waiting for 2.0, and who knows if already bought players can read the discs that will be 1.1 or 2.0?
Toshiba made a complete HD DVD spec before releasing it.

3 exclusive studios and one shared vs 2 exclusive studios and one shared.

Actually if you count all the small studios, Toshiba has slightly more studios than the BDA on its side.

2:1 software sales in the US, ~4:1 software sales in Europe, 9:1 software sales in Japan.

Those are only thanks to the PS3, a game console. The sales of Standalone players are stronger on the HD DVD side (53%+ in the US, up to close to 70%+ in some european countries), and with an attachment rate (people using their player to watch movies) thus far superior.
With this, Toshiba will also very soon (if not already) put sub $200 players on the market, thus garanteeing mass market adoption.



Ok, think of me as your sparing partner.
Remember, no flaming, just discussion. Those are easy ones to blast away.

Flame suit on, just in case.

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[Teazle]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

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What did you have to say about bandwidth again?

[Slapper]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Please allow me to play the devil's advocate (despite me being a Blu-Ray convinced), and see what a HD DVD zealot would answer to you, to see what kind of (civilized) discussion we can have around a "which is the better format", destined to inform the non savy public.


Toshiba has anounced a 51gb format, which was just accepted by the DVD forum in late September.


HD DVD uses commonly the VC-1 codec, which results in very good visuals in recent movies, and specially when the compression is tighter vs the AVC codec. A lot of BD movies were produced in Mpeg2, and sometime still are, for inferior image quality (see 5th element).


The hardcoating is a necessity for BD, with its data layer so close to the surface. It is not so for the HD DVD, despite being more suscpetible to scratches. If it is a problem, pay more attention to your discs



The BD standard was not finished for the longest time, only now at the end of october will 1.1 be officialized, waiting for 2.0, and who knows if already bought players can read the discs that will be 1.1 or 2.0?
Toshiba made a complete HD DVD spec before releasing it.


Actually if you count all the small studios, Toshiba has slightly more studios than the BDA on its side.


Those are only thanks to the PS3, a game console. The sales of Standalone players are stronger on the HD DVD side (53%+ in the US, up to close to 70%+ in some european countries), and with an attachment rate (people using their player to watch movies) thus far superior.
With this, Toshiba will also very soon (if not already) put sub $200 players on the market, thus garanteeing mass market adoption.



Ok, think of me as your sparing partner.
Remember, no flaming, just discussion. Those are easy ones to blast away.

Flame suit on, just in case.

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Accepted means nothing. TL51 will not reach retail for a very long time and will most likely need a hardware upgrade. This was from a Toshiba spokesman.

VC-1 is a great compression format. AVC is better. AVC can rarely be implemented on an HD-DVD disc AND include an HD audio track. Blackhawk Down is MPEG2. Great reviews on that one.

Hard coating is great for rental stores.

HD-DVD spec is not finalized. See TL51 above.

Actually if you apply actual revenues of the exclusive studios, then Blu-exclusive studios are very much in the lead.

PS3 is new to the world. Once the general populace realizes that the system is NOT just a gaming machine, then it's "game over."

[jermwhl]

Don't forget the ever so popular, "when is star wars coming to blu"!!!