BDP-S300 Fuzzy on my Philips - Blu-ray Forum

whoisquilty · 10-27-2007, 01:56 AM

I've got a Philips 42" Ambilight tv:

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-42PFL7...blurayforum-20

And a Sony BDP-S300 connected with a Monster HDMI cable.

But both BD and DVDs are grainy. People are raving about films like Halloween and The Shining and how great the transfers are. I'm seeing them grainy.

Is there a setting? Firmware upgrade (I've got 2.0 on my BDP)? Anything? What can I do?

CAB · 10-27-2007, 01:59 AM

There is a 2.60 firmware up for the S300. Not sure it's gonna help with grain. Whats the model number on the display?

Manco · 10-27-2007, 02:12 AM

Have you done an A/B test with the S300 on the HDMI source and a standard DVD player on a component source. Do you see any difference? Maybe rent the DVD of a comparable BD you own and do the test. I find some people visually misinterpret the enhanced clarity of BD for grain. Doing a side-by-side visual will train your eye.

WickyWoo · 10-27-2007, 03:05 AM

2 things

1- Calibrate your television
2- The films are old, low budget, and dark. The grain is part of the image

Deciazulado · 10-27-2007, 06:41 AM

Turn off any "enhance" and NR (noise reduction) features, and turn the sharpness down to the minimum,. Now looking at a well lit shot (daylight exterior shots usually) bring the sharpness up slowly till the image starts to looks sharp and focused and stop, don't keep trying to sharpen it more (oversharpen)

HDPlasma · 10-29-2007, 12:58 AM

I think your PQ issue is the movies you are watching.
I have a Philips Plasma connected via HDMI and the good transfers like POTC I&II, Transporter, Casino Royal and others look good.

I haven't see the two movies you reviewed but I believe that Halloween got some bad press from reviewers from it's PQ lacking.

monkyman · 10-29-2007, 01:14 AM

Also check that you have the S300 set to output 1080p, I know it sounds stupid, but it can be set to 480p, and the pic does not look good if it is.

BTBuck1 · 10-29-2007, 01:33 AM

I think some people dont have an understanding of how films from 10-20-30 years ago look when compared by those filmed today.

ryoohki · 10-29-2007, 10:19 PM

Grain is part of the film, Noise is part of Digital Filming, if both aren't present it mean that the film have been toyed with and it's not good.

Unless is Pure CGI like Pixar Stuff...

The majority of DVD release are DNR (digital noise reduction) to help the Mpeg2 compression and fit more on a disc. This remove the noise from the picture but also remove fine detail...

10-27-2007, 01:56 AM	#1
whoisquilty Member Member since:Aug 2007	BDP-S300 Fuzzy on my Philips I've got a Philips 42" Ambilight tv: http://www.amazon.com/Philips-42PFL7...blurayforum-20 And a Sony BDP-S300 connected with a Monster HDMI cable. But both BD and DVDs are grainy. People are raving about films like Halloween and The Shining and how great the transfers are. I'm seeing them grainy. Is there a setting? Firmware upgrade (I've got 2.0 on my BDP)? Anything? What can I do?

10-27-2007, 02:12 AM	#3
Manco Special Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Tucumcari	Have you done an A/B test with the S300 on the HDMI source and a standard DVD player on a component source. Do you see any difference? Maybe rent the DVD of a comparable BD you own and do the test. I find some people visually misinterpret the enhanced clarity of BD for grain. Doing a side-by-side visual will train your eye. Last edited by Manco; 10-27-2007 at 02:17 AM.

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10-27-2007, 01:59 AM	#2
CAB Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2007 Location:::1 4K collection:88 Blu-ray collection:1827 Trading Score:4	There is a 2.60 firmware up for the S300. Not sure it's gonna help with grain. Whats the model number on the display?

10-27-2007, 03:05 AM	#4
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	2 things 1- Calibrate your television 2- The films are old, low budget, and dark. The grain is part of the image

10-27-2007, 06:41 AM	#5
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1160 Blu-ray collection:7047 DVD collection:4044	Turn off any "enhance" and NR (noise reduction) features, and turn the sharpness down to the minimum,. Now looking at a well lit shot (daylight exterior shots usually) bring the sharpness up slowly till the image starts to looks sharp and focused and stop, don't keep trying to sharpen it more (oversharpen)

10-29-2007, 12:58 AM	#6
HDPlasma Expert Member Member since:Oct 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	I think your PQ issue is the movies you are watching. I have a Philips Plasma connected via HDMI and the good transfers like POTC I&II, Transporter, Casino Royal and others look good. I haven't see the two movies you reviewed but I believe that Halloween got some bad press from reviewers from it's PQ lacking.

10-29-2007, 01:14 AM	#7
monkyman Special Member Member since:Jun 2007	Also check that you have the S300 set to output 1080p, I know it sounds stupid, but it can be set to 480p, and the pic does not look good if it is.

10-29-2007, 01:33 AM	#8
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	I think some people dont have an understanding of how films from 10-20-30 years ago look when compared by those filmed today.

10-29-2007, 10:19 PM	#9
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	Grain is part of the film, Noise is part of Digital Filming, if both aren't present it mean that the film have been toyed with and it's not good. Unless is Pure CGI like Pixar Stuff... The majority of DVD release are DNR (digital noise reduction) to help the Mpeg2 compression and fit more on a disc. This remove the noise from the picture but also remove fine detail...

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