Well done Microsoft, Well Done

[PaniqL]

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[Booker Dewitt]

Hopefully this signals that the hubris surrounding Microsoft is gone and they'll try to win us back. Way better to do this before the console release than like a year later which seems to be the norm.

[josuv22]

they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by doing that from day one.

I bet Sony had a similar policy but dropped it, once they saw the backlash Microsoft took.

[PaniqL]

I think Sony has some stuff they were going to keep from us until nearer launch when all the preorders are in.

They said the DRM is up to the developers, and greedy ones like EA and Activision would do this

[Frasr]

Originally Posted by PaniqL

No more 24 hour checks and DRM,
the only thing that stuck me to microsoft was that HDMI Input, Exclusives and the Sharing.
Now the restrcitions have gone, Im with the Xbox.

Now all we need is a version without kinect

- This is just my opinion

Looks like sharing is being affected by the changes


"There’s a few things we won’t be able to deliver as a result of this change," Marc Whitten, v.p. of Xbox Live told Kotaku, "One of the things we were very exicted about was 'wherever we go my games are always with me.' Now, of course your physical games won’t show up that way. The games you bought digitally will. You’ll have to bring your discs with you to have your games with you. Similarly, the sharing library [is something] we won’t be able to deliver at launch."

That means that two features are being cut, at least for now, from the console. Microsoft's concept of having your full game library travel with you is gone. Their offer to let you share games with up to nine other "family" members is gone, too.

Those sacrifices are the cost of the new DRM policy that, Whitten says, will give people an Xbox One experience with disc-based games that matches what they had on the Xbox 360. Games won't have to be registered online and players won't have to connect to the Internet in a 24-hour period to play offline disc-based games. "The way to think about it is it works the way it does with 360," Whitten said. "You can give them, loan them, trade them, play them. They will work exactly as they do today."

It's clear that Microsoft was not planning to make these changes. Even though it's June and the console doesn't launch until November, Whitten said that Xbox One consumers will have to download a day-one patch to enable the Xbox One's offline mode. Presumably, without it, the console will still think it's living in the Xbox One era of E3 2013.


Source: Kotaku

[wormraper]

*snicker, they were hit with so much fan hatred that they were FORCED to get rid of this anti-consumer sh!t.

[ozzsoad]

This should have been announced last week at E3. The PS4 is still $100 cheaper and doesn't have Kinect... I may still stick with the PS4 for those reasons.

EDIT: Hell, I don't know now. Titanfall and Project Spark did look pretty awesome. None of the PS4 exclusives are really that interesting to me. Damnit Microsoft, I thought you were gonna make this easy on me...

[v_squared123]

Originally Posted by ozzsoad

This should have been announced last week at E3. The PS4 is still $100 cheaper and doesn't have Kinect... I may still stick with the PS4 for those reasons.

EDIT: Hell, I don't know now. Titanfall and Project Spark did look pretty awesome. None of the PS4 exclusives are really that interesting to me. Damnit Microsoft, I thought you were gonna make this easy on me...

I have no idea how PS4 is $100 cheaper. Its obviously more powerful due to its DDR5 8 Gigs of ram compared to the XBone measly ddr3 8gigs. They must be losing on each console sold or something...either way, it was a smart costly move that may put them in the lead!

[DragonOfTheBlackPool]

Originally Posted by v_squared123

I have no idea how PS4 is $100 cheaper. Its obviously more powerful due to its DDR5 8 Gigs of ram compared to the XBone measly ddr3 8gigs. They must be losing on each console sold or something...either way, it was a smart costly move that may put them in the lead!

Both Microsoft and Sony will lose money on each console sold. Xbox1 comes with the Kinect = $100 difference. After all these changes, I wouldn't be surprised if they introduce a Kinect free bundle also.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by wormraper

*snicker, they were hit with so much fan hatred that they were FORCED to get rid of this anti-consumer sh!t.

They had around a month between the reveal and E3 to have fixed it (or at least rethink it and say at E3 "we can't give you that info since we are reconsidering our plans) if it was just the hatred. My guess the pre-orders where real bad for MS and they realized it was not just angry people on the net but that it was actual sales that would really suffer.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by ozzsoad

This should have been announced last week at E3. The PS4 is still $100 cheaper and doesn't have Kinect... I may still stick with the PS4 for those reasons.

EDIT: Hell, I don't know now. Titanfall and Project Spark did look pretty awesome. None of the PS4 exclusives are really that interesting to me. Damnit Microsoft, I thought you were gonna make this easy on me...

Rumor going around based off some comments by Titanfall Devs the Exclusive Titanfall on Xbox is only for 1 year. After 1 year it heads to Ps4

Originally Posted by v_squared123

I have no idea how PS4 is $100 cheaper. Its obviously more powerful due to its DDR5 8 Gigs of ram compared to the XBone measly ddr3 8gigs. They must be losing on each console sold or something...either way, it was a smart costly move that may put them in the lead!

Actually according to Numbers Sony will not lose a dime on any console manufactured or sold this generation.

Originally Posted by DragonOfTheBlackPool

Both Microsoft and Sony will lose money on each console sold. Xbox1 comes with the Kinect = $100 difference. After all these changes, I wouldn't be surprised if they introduce a Kinect free bundle also.

Sony is losing nothing on this Generation of Console, According to numbers posted its looking like Sony will make around 45-50 dollars per console sold this generation. Kinect is not a 100 dollar difference anyone thinking it costs Microsoft 100 dollars to toss a Kinect in is a fool. At worst Kinect is causing MS to break even they are having some last minute developmental problems with the APU speeds and being forced to delay production.

[teikon]

Originally Posted by PaniqL

I think Sony has some stuff they were going to keep from us until nearer launch when all the preorders are in.

They said the DRM is up to the developers, and greedy ones like EA and Activision would do this

They have clarified that they mean online passes. They will no longer be doing online passes on first party stuff, but others still can. Of course, EA has promised to get rid of online passes.

Sony has stated that all discs will play. There will be no restrictions for single-player. No matter who the publisher is.

I welcome Microsoft's change on this. They still need to drop the forced Kinect. Which should also result in the price dropping. They ought to be able to cut at least $100.

[ScarredLungs]

Originally Posted by v_squared123

I have no idea how PS4 is $100 cheaper. Its obviously more powerful due to its DDR5 8 Gigs of ram compared to the XBone measly ddr3 8gigs. They must be losing on each console sold or something...either way, it was a smart costly move that may put them in the lead!

I think that this reason, and with the DRM/always on stuff, that xbox will loose the console battle this next time. Sure, the DRM/always on check in 24 hour thing may be fixed, but the damage is done already.

[MiC. UHD]

We have been officially robbed of a digital future! Consumers stood against Microsoft, and Microsoft buckled instead of believing in their own vision. Music has gone digital, movies have gone digital, and games have and will eventually only be digital.

Now with this complete reversal we get no more family sharing, no more playing games without the discs spinning, no more pulling up your entire library from any Xbox One console. All & only because people are so resistant to change and don't like having to connect to Internet daily (in the year 2013).

Ten years from now, EVERYTHING will be consumed digitally, the worlds been headed in that direction for years now, but no, now we get to enjoy a new generation of last generation consoles. Beefed up specs and improved visuals. We could've had so much more, but now we get more of the same. The secondary market of selling/trading will always be a financial disservice to the game developers/ publishers, and now instead of enjoying the eventual price difference of digital games versus their physical counterparts. We get to enjoy getting up from our couch and swapping discs likes it's the year 1995.

Thanks.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by mic. Hd

we have been officially robbed of a digital future! Consumers stood against microsoft, and microsoft buckled instead of believing in their own vision. Music has gone digital, movies have gone digital, and games have and will eventually only be digital.

Now with this complete reversal we get no more family sharing, no more playing games without the discs spinning, no more pulling up your entire library from any xbox one console. All & only because people are so resistant to change and don't like having to connect to internet daily (in the year 2013).

Ten years from now, everything will be consumed digitally, the worlds been headed in that direction for years now, but no, now we get to enjoy a new generation of last generation consoles. Beefed up specs and improved visuals. We could've had so much more, but now we get more of the same. The secondary market of selling/trading will always be a financial disservice to the game developers/ publishers, and now instead of enjoying the eventual price difference of digital games versus their physical counterparts. We get to enjoy getting up from our couch and swapping discs likes it's the year 1995.

Thanks.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by MiC. HD

We have been officially robbed of a digital future! Consumers stood against Microsoft, and Microsoft buckled instead of believing in their own vision. Music has gone digital, movies have gone digital, and games have and will eventually only be digital.

Now with this complete reversal we get no more family sharing, no more playing games without the discs spinning, no more pulling up your entire library from any Xbox One console. All & only because people are so resistant to change and don't like having to connect to Internet daily (in the year 2013).
Ten years from now, EVERYTHING will be consumed digitally, the worlds been headed in that direction for years now, but no, now we get to enjoy a new generation of last generation consoles. Beefed up specs and improved visuals. We could've had so much more, but now we get more of the same. The secondary market of selling/trading will always be a financial disservice to the game developers/ publishers, and now instead of enjoying the eventual price difference of digital games versus their physical counterparts. We get to enjoy getting up from our couch and swapping discs likes it's the year 1995.

Thanks.

I’d love to know how MS expected this when people couldn’t get to the xbox daily?? Do they expect people to either stay within a days drive of their house all the time?? or do they really think the xbox will become so important to people that they’ll just take it w/them everywhere they go??

We’re planning a week long trip to FL next year….i can sure as sh!t tell you an xbox would not be making the trip w/us.

[MiC. UHD]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

I’d love to know how MS expected this when people couldn’t get to the xbox daily?? Do they expect people to either stay within a days drive of their house all the time?? or do they really think the xbox will become so important to people that they’ll just take it w/them everywhere they go??

We’re planning a week long trip to FL next year….i can sure as sh!t tell you an xbox would not be making the trip w/us.

Definitely I hear you, I wish I had the link on hand but I remember Microsoft saying something to the effect of "checking in" whenever you came back to your console and not necessarily within those 24 hours. Either way, it's irrelevant at this point.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by MiC. HD

Definitely I hear you, I wish I had the link on hand but I remember Microsoft saying something to the effect of "checking in" whenever you came back to your console and not necessarily within those 24 hours. Either way, it's irrelevant at this point.

did they ever say what the purpose of "checking in" was??

[wormraper]

a great win for Physical ownership this day. I'll fight against a digital future for as long as I can.

[Stitches]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

I’d love to know how MS expected this when people couldn’t get to the xbox daily?? Do they expect people to either stay within a days drive of their house all the time?? or do they really think the xbox will become so important to people that they’ll just take it w/them everywhere they go??

We’re planning a week long trip to FL next year….i can sure as sh!t tell you an xbox would not be making the trip w/us.

Just like my ps3 auto-updates every night at 2am, you wouldn't need to be at your Xbox One for it to do a once a day check in.