The Ultimate Deal??

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Warning: This is not an actual deal and that's why it isn't posted in the deals section. This is a discussion point on the format war.

What if the BDA could hook up the following deal during the holidays?

Amazon.com - Buy any PS3 (any model) and get 20% off all Blu-ray Movies (to play on your PS3) for 1 Year!

Amazon did a deal last year where if you bought 3 HD titles before yearend '06 they gave you 10% off all movies for the following year. Amazon did that on their own. Now let's see what they could hook up if Sony subsidizes at least half of the deal (the other 10%). First you have to assume that Amazon gets more juice from 1 PS3 sale than they were getting out of 3 HD movie titles, so they can easily hold up their end; If not maybe Sony and other BDA members can help offset the costs.

OK, so seriously think about that deal. If that doesn't clearly spell out, "Hey, moron, this console plays hi-def movies!" then what does. Amazon has a huge market and that would be noticed and it would put the burden on the buyer to then go out and proactively capture that benefit (and the benefit keeps growing the more they buy). In fact, I'd drive the point home with every new movie sale on Amazon by specifically naming it PS3 Promo wright on the line with the discount when you checkout. When you give the movies away in the box it doesn't always get the same result... it doesn't get them in the habit of buying BD movies; Sony, Amazon and BDA all win.

[MotionBlurr]

Thats a good idea. They could also offer a free 3 month subscription to Netflix but the stipulation is that they are only able to rent blu-ray movies.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by MotionBlurr

Thats a good idea. They could also offer a free 3 month subscription to Netflix but the stipulation is that they are only able to rent blu-ray movies.

LOL. Love the idea just not sure how Netflix could enforce that or if they'd even want to.

[cathexist]

I missed out on the buy 3 blu-ray titles and get 10% off for a year

I didn't have my high def set up yet.

[Beta-guy]

it should be expanded to incude all BD players, because with the PS3 having the possibility of be a BD-live capable player the other BD companies will want to sell thier wares as well. BDA != Sony

[Leon]

Im sorry to say this, but its not about the PS3 !! As the bda obviously are counting on and ''relaxing''. This holiday season ps3 has great games and people want the ps3 mostly to play games! Software sales will be low for blu-ray movies.

It is in fact a gaming machine, and adults mostly don't want a gaming machine to play their movies. What the blu-ray camp needs now and fast is to get those players down, and work with some of china's finest and try to deliver quality low priced player in big scales out on the marked in 2008. Toshiba is pushing it hard as hell now, and they are doing this to get the software sales up and eventually get warner on their side.

if you go to that startrek site they are even giving away players for free, they are really pushing it everywhere. Even universal movies are coming down.

So what if they loose lots of money, you can take money from a different division , say Computer and Laptops and push the hd format. They will earn so much money in the long run if they win this. I hear they also get profit of every hd-dvd disc sold.

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Warning: This is not an actual deal and that's why it isn't posted in the deals section. This is a discussion point on the format war.

What if the BDA could hook up the following deal during the holidays?

Amazon.com - Buy any PS3 (any model) and get 20% off all Blu-ray Movies (to play on your PS3) for 1 Year!

Would be nice but 20% off just isn't going to happen...

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Zaphod

Would be nice but 20% off just isn't going to happen...

Disagree. They did 10% off w/o any assistance from anyone and all they were getting was 3 HD titles as opposed to the revenue from 1 PS3 console. If they can eat the 10% on 3 BD titles then they can certainly eat it when they are making a far larger sales.

Besides arguing about the specific percentages is kind of stupid, it's about the structure of the deal.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Beta-guy

it should be expanded to incude all BD players, because with the PS3 having the possibility of be a BD-live capable player the other BD companies will want to sell thier wares as well. BDA != Sony

My post isn't about other BD players or all BD players, it's about getting deeper BD sales penetration out of the huge PS3 install base.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Leon

Im sorry to say this, but its not about the PS3 !! As the bda obviously are counting on and ''relaxing''. This holiday season ps3 has great games and people want the ps3 mostly to play games! Software sales will be low for blu-ray movies.

It is in fact a gaming machine, and adults mostly don't want a gaming machine to play their movies.

#1 You're wrong. Sony and the BDA think you're wrong too.

#2 My entire post is centered around doing things to change everything you just said.

#3 S/W for BD movies will be low? Wrong again.

[MotionBlurr]

Originally Posted by Leon

Im sorry to say this, but its not about the PS3 !! As the bda obviously are counting on and ''relaxing''. This holiday season ps3 has great games and people want the ps3 mostly to play games! Software sales will be low for blu-ray movies.

It is in fact a gaming machine, and adults mostly don't want a gaming machine to play their movies. What the blu-ray camp needs now and fast is to get those players down, and work with some of china's finest and try to deliver quality low priced player in big scales out on the marked in 2008. Toshiba is pushing it hard as hell now, and they are doing this to get the software sales up and eventually get warner on their side.

if you go to that startrek site they are even giving away players for free, they are really pushing it everywhere. Even universal movies are coming down.

So what if they loose lots of money, you can take money from a different division , say Computer and Laptops and push the hd format. They will earn so much money in the long run if they win this. I hear they also get profit of every hd-dvd disc sold.

I see your point. But wouldn't it also be great to wake up all those sleeping PS3 blu-ray players already in peoples homes with a promotion that will instantly increase software sales? The opposition can no longer say PS3 owners are not movies buyers.

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Besides arguing about the specific percentages is kind of stupid, it's about the structure of the deal.

Who's arguing? I just stated my opinion and you are making the argument, not I.

[Leon]

''#1 You're wrong. Sony and the BDA think you're wrong too.

#2 My entire post is centered around doing things to change everything you just said.

#3 S/W for BD movies will be low? Wrong again.''




you are sure about this ? As I said in the insider thread you have no idea how many people come up to me and say they dont want a gaming machine as their movie player. This is mostly adults raging from 30+. Young people gets the whole package but they buy so few blu-ray movies. They are mostly gamers and see the ps3 blu-ray feature as just a bonus.

Now, I have showed the ps3 and its capabilities to friends and showcased it when I bring it with me they are impressed. This is the problem, they are judging it because it is a gaming console=no buy.

And then you have the name HDTV=HD DVD its logical to people most and its cheaper. What do you buy, if I was a average joy I would certainly buy the hd thing.

[buckshot]

I think bundling spidey 3, casino royale, and hellboy with every ps3 would suffice.

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by Leon

As I said in the insider thread you have no idea how many people come up to me and say they dont want a gaming machine as their movie player. This is mostly adults raging from 30+.

That has to be the stupidist argument I have ever heard...unless they have some other reason to substatiate the reason for their opinion. Just to base their opinion on that alone makes absolutely no sense.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Zaphod

That has to be the stupidist argument I have ever heard...unless they have some other reason. Just to base their opinion on that alone makes absolutely no sense.

what ?? stupidest ?? When I posted that in the insider thread one guy immediately agreed and he is 36.

He would never buy any gaming console to play his movies. And im sure all home cinema enthusiasts would agree

[Zaphod]

There is no basis for thier opinion. Just strictly them not wanting a game machine as thier player makes no sense, they function the same way and provide no benefit over each other. The Blu-ray spec is the same throughout so unless they have another reason, such as bitstreaming DTS-MA, having that type of opinion just doesn't make sense.

That's like me saying I will never use Peter Pan as my peanut butter on my PB&J sandwich. Without a specific reason for it, it just makes no sense. I would have to have another reason for it other than just that statement.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Zaphod

There is no basis for thier opinion. Just strictly them not wanting a game machine as thier player makes no sense, they function the same way and provide no benefit over each other. The Blu-ray spec is the same throughout so unless they have another reason, such as bitstreaming DTS-MA, having that type of opinion just doesn't make sense.

That's like me saying I will never use Peter Pan as my peanut butter on my PB&J sandwich. Without a specific reason for it it makes no sense.

again

''Now, I have showed the ps3 and its capabilities to friends and showcased it when I bring it with me they are impressed. This is the problem, they are judging it because it is a gaming console=no buy.''

A gaming console is a gaming console, lets not mix things here. You have a controller to play the games. Who the hell wants a thing like this when all they are after is a movie player.

People are still old fashioned, and they know what they are after. They dont know shit about this technology, they are just the average joe looking for a HD player for their hdtv I see this as the biggest concern. Especially all the pushing from thosiba with all the players. It sends a clear message, HD-dvd is for your hdtv.

wtf is blu-ray, a space ship ? You catch my drift

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by Leon

again

''Now, I have showed the ps3 and its capabilities to friends and showcased it when I bring it with me they are impressed. This is the problem, they are judging it because it is a gaming console=no buy.''

A gaming console is a gaming console, lets not mix things here. You have a controller to play the games. Who the hell wants a thing like this when all they are after is a movie player.

People are still old fashioned, and they know what they are after. They dont know shit about this technology, they are just the average joe looking for a HD player for their hdtv I see this as the biggest concern. Especially all the pushing from thosiba with all the players. It sends a clear message, HD-dvd is for your hdtv.

wtf is blu-ray, a space ship ? You catch my drift

Right, I'm not arguing your points in showing others the benefits of the PS3. I'm just saying as far as the consumer making that type of statement is just retarded. If you were to not tell them it was a PS3 and showed them a movie on the PS3 and one on another similar player, chances are they would not be able to tell the difference. That's why that type of thinking just doesn't make any sense. The PS3 can do all of what the average consumer wants compared to another blu-ray player. With the exception that you have to buy a seperate remote.

Sure I understand that there are old fashioned people out there who have that mentality, but this is exactly why we need people like us to squash the mentality that a gaming console cannot do the same thing, if not a better job, of a stand alone player. Unless, like I said before they have some other reason for it justifing their reasoning. Especially with all the BS Toshiba is pushing which is all the more reason to tout the PS3's benefits at the $399 price point which matches Toshiba's 1080p player.

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by Leon

again

''Now, I have showed the ps3 and its capabilities to friends and showcased it when I bring it with me they are impressed. This is the problem, they are judging it because it is a gaming console=no buy.''

A gaming console is a gaming console, lets not mix things here. You have a controller to play the games. Who the hell wants a thing like this when all they are after is a movie player.

People are still old fashioned, and they know what they are after. They dont know shit about this technology, they are just the average joe looking for a HD player for their hdtv I see this as the biggest concern. Especially all the pushing from thosiba with all the players. It sends a clear message, HD-dvd is for your hdtv.

wtf is blu-ray, a space ship ? You catch my drift

Being 36 myself I do see your point.

The problem here isn't quite what you think though....

PS3 is _not_ a gaming console. Unfortunately, the Playstation brand immediately brings that to mind for people. It is actually a multi-media device that can be used for everything from playing music, surfing the internet, watching movies, playing games, recording television/movies, acting as a server to view media from your PC, etc.

This is the real problem for Sony and one they are just now beginning to address with their latest ads (the new ones where they show the PS3 doing all of the things I mentioned above). We'll have to see how the new ads work.

Essentially, until they re-brand the Playstation name to a more 'multi-media' focus many people will continue to think of it as a gaming console which it simply is not. That is only part of what it does.

I _firmly believe_ that if the average consumer _did_ actually understand all of the things a PS3 can do (besides play a few good games) they would be sold out all the time and the price would have never needed to be lowered. Even at $599 the PS3 was a steal for all the things you can do with it. In fact, I can't think of any other CE device even close to that price point that could deliver so much. Now, it's up to Sony to figure out how to get this message out to the less understanding masses.

Bottomline: I agree with you about the 'gaming console' mentality (no matter how ill-informed someone is to believe this) and that Blu-ray standalones needs to become competitive and standard in the market. My ideal situation at this point would be for a free Blu-ray player to be included with every single Full1080p HDTV sold by all Blu-ray supporting manufacturers. This would end the war before January and solidify the format as the superb choice that it is for true high definition viewing and also would help clearly demonstrate Blu-rays superiority over HDDVD by having exclusive Full1080p support (no garbage 1080i give-a-way players that are only comparable to upscaling DVD players).