Rotten Tomatoes Style Polls for Films?

[bluearth]

EDIT: I'll create a separate thread for RT style scores soon

When looking at the current 1-5 poll for movies sometimes its hard to see how one compares to another.

Rotten Tomatoes uses a simple percentage number. So maybe we can have both here?

My idea is a poll should look like this:

1 and 2 is automatically a "rotten" score. 4 and 5 is automatically a "fresh" score. 3 is where it gets tricky. So lets give TWO options for a 3.

3 - Rotten or would not recommend
3 - Fresh or would recommend

So you tally up all the percentages of 4s and 5s along with the 3/Fresh scores and you have your approval percentage. Alot easier then all the math that is required to divide the numbers of voters per score along with the percentages yadda yadda to get an average rating.

[chris_sc77]

There are some very very easy to please people here so just about every movie would get a"Fresh" rating around here so I dont see what good this would do.

[Thomas Guycott]

1-5 is simple enough. 5 4 3 2 1 = A B C D F.

Just do the math in your head. More 4s and 5s: good movie. More 1s and 2s: bad movie.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

There are some very very easy to please people here so just about every movie would get a"Fresh" rating around here so I dont see what good this would do.

Actually, I was thinking the opposite. There are so many trolls on here, that every film would get a "Rotten" rating.

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

There are some very very easy to please people here so just about every movie would get a"Fresh" rating around here so I dont see what good this would do.

Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

Actually, I was thinking the opposite. There are so many trolls on here, that every film would get a "Rotten" rating.

This is why I hate the RT "fresh" and "rotten" ratings. It's always one way or another, like it's all a black-and-white matter. But to me, most films fall into one big happy gray area, usually full of good films I hate or bad films I love.

[Jasonic]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

This is why I hate the RT "fresh" and "rotten" ratings. It's always one way or another, like it's all a black-and-white matter. But to me, most films fall into one big happy gray area, usually full of good films I hate or bad films I love.

There really isn't a better way to do a review aggregator though. Unless they want to force every critic to give a score out of a set number rating, as a lot of them don't give scores or some opt for the ABCDF ratings.

For user site like this though, we don't need it, and it wouldn't work.

[bluearth]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

There are some very very easy to please people here so just about every movie would get a"Fresh" rating around here so I dont see what good this would do.

Theres a way to counter this, only count 4 and 5s as fresh scores and 1-3s as rotten scores.

If you only count 4s and 5s as fresh scores then this is what you get from this forum:

FRESH
91% - The Wolf of Wall Street
89% - Before Midnight
88% - Gravity
68% - Man of Steel

ROTTEN
57% - Ender's Game
53% - Iron Man 3
33% - Vampire Academy

Simplifies things in my eyes

[Elbie]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

There are some very very easy to please people here so just about every movie would get a"Fresh" rating around here so I dont see what good this would do.

Unless it's Iron Man 3. lol

[Dumbhuman]

Originally Posted by bluearth

Theres a way to counter this, only count 4 and 5s as fresh scores and 1-3s as rotten scores.

Personally, I rate on a big bell curve. The vast majority of films I see are going to be closer to 3. I go by Netflix's translation of the star system because I like the subjectivity of it: 1 star = hated it, 2 stars = disliked it, 3 stars = liked it, 4 stars = really liked it, 5 stars = loved it.

Just to give you an idea of how my bell curve looks though, I've currently got 1694 movies rated on Netflix (there are plenty of movies I've seen growing up that I never bothered to rate of course).

5 stars = 50 titles
4 stars = 147 titles
3 stars = 987 titles
2 stars = 373 titles
1 star = 57 titles
Not interested = 80 titles (I should revise this because I mostly used it early on to try to get the suggestions to work better... Netflix has long since given up on suggesting titles to me)

Basically, if I thought 3 stars was rotten, there wouldn't be much point in me watching as many movies as I do. There are plenty of films that I would add an extra .5 if Netflix allowed it, but overall I'm pretty difficult to impress but not terribly difficult to satisfy.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by bluearth

Simplifies things in my eyes

But is it at all necessary when you can simply look at the poll results for The Wolf of Wall Street, for example, and clearly see that nearly 92% thought it was a 4- to 5-star film.

Shouldn't that be enough? Does it really need to be spelled out?

[bluearth]

Originally Posted by Dumbhuman

Personally, I rate on a big bell curve. The vast majority of films I see are going to be closer to 3. I go by Netflix's translation of the star system because I like the subjectivity of it: 1 star = hated it, 2 stars = disliked it, 3 stars = liked it, 4 stars = really liked it, 5 stars = loved it.

Just to give you an idea of how my bell curve looks though, I've currently got 1694 movies rated on Netflix (there are plenty of movies I've seen growing up that I never bothered to rate of course).

5 stars = 50 titles
4 stars = 147 titles
3 stars = 987 titles
2 stars = 373 titles
1 star = 57 titles
Not interested = 80 titles (I should revise this because I mostly used it early on to try to get the suggestions to work better... Netflix has long since given up on suggesting titles to me)

Basically, if I thought 3 stars was rotten, there wouldn't be much point in me watching as many movies as I do. There are plenty of films that I would add an extra .5 if Netflix allowed it, but overall I'm pretty difficult to impress but not terribly difficult to satisfy.

I understand where you are coming from. In fact, Im very similar to you in regards to how I rate films.

This is how I rated 2013 films I saw in theaters

5 stars: ==
4 stars: ==
3 stars: =========
2 stars: ========
1 stars: ====
0 stars: ==

Now if the majority on this forum rated films similar to the way we do, then there would be a need to find out if someone felt a 3 star film was rotten or fresh in their opinion. But from my experience here chris_sc77 is right, most people on this forum rate movies very high, and asking them to explain whether or not they would recommend a 3 star film could be considered splitting hairs.

The way I look at it is not so much fresh or rotten, but rather would you recommend or would you not. So based off of that yes, there was only 4 films all of last year I would recommend to anybody as must see. The rest can wait.

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

But is it at all necessary when you can simply look at the poll results for The Wolf of Wall Street, for example, and clearly see that nearly 92% thought it was a 4- to 5-star film.

Shouldn't that be enough? Does it really need to be spelled out?

I agree, we can keep the polls as they are now. However, not too long ago there was a sticky thread called '20xx Blu-Ray Forum Theatrical Rankings' that averaged out the votes of the polls, meaning The Wolf of Wall Street would have an average rating of like 4.674 or something at #1, the Lego movie would probably be 4.245, etc etc

So I say have a new sticky that uses a much simpler Rotten Tomatoes style scoring which adds up the 4s and 5 votes so people can see what the forum thought was the highest rated films of the year. 60% and higher is fresh, 59% and lower is considered rotten.

It wasnt until just a few minutes ago when I put together the RT score of Man of Steel and Iron Man 3 that I figured out for the first time which film the community preferred. Just eyeballing it was really difficult as they appeared so similar.

[Foggy]

If you want to work out where 3 will lie, you'll have to work out the Average of all the films. Add up all the stars voted, and divide by the total of votes

For example:

(4 x 1) + (9 x 2) + (28 x 3) + (11 x 4) + (2 x 5) = 160 ÷ 54 = 2.963

Probably best option is to say if the average comes over the 3 it's fresh, under the 3 it's rotten.

[JavaJulien]

Or we could just do a:

• Hated It
• Didn't Like It
• It Was Okay
• Liked It
• Loved It