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L.J. · 10-15-2013, 01:24 AM

Don,t know if there is a forum for this are not, but I would like to see them take the new Star Trek cast and make a TV show out of it. So far have really liked what J.J. Abrams has done with the franchise.Have been a Star Trek fan since the original series.

Batman1980 · 10-15-2013, 03:55 AM

I doubt we will see another show any time soon, even with Dorn trying hard to have another one made. Perhaps if Enterprise hadn't been met with so much criticism...it does seem weird for there not to be a running Star Trek show though...*he says as he's watching season 4 of DS9*

Darev · 10-15-2013, 04:20 AM

I blame season 3 for the death of Enterprise. Personally the last thing I wanted to see at that time was a long drawn out "war" with people seeking vengeance for an attack on their home.

I'm probably not alone with that thought.

However, season 4 was spectacular!

---On Topic---
I seem to remember hearing musings of another Trek show being in development. Nothing more than a rumor though.

TM2-Megatron · 10-15-2013, 04:32 AM

I started watching TNG when I was 6 in '89, and was hooked from then all the way through DS9. Lost faith a bit during VOY's more poorly-written episodes, but then Enterprise, while far from perfect, was light-years ahead of Voyager and easily good enough to make me look forward to turning on Trek again each week (and the fourth season was pretty darn good). It also helped that ENT's production values were ridiculously high for a Trek series, and the characters were mostly pretty likeable and the actors didn't seem to require nearly as much "settling-in time" as TNG, DS9 and VOY did.

All that said, I can't scrounge up much enthusiasm for a show based on Abrams' new continuity, and I doubt I'd watch it. Abrams' Trek lacks much in the way of interesting storytelling, and relies more on flashy effects and action more in line with what you'd find in Star Wars. Trek '09 was the best Star Wars movie since 1983, in that respect.

I enjoy watching them ('09 more than this year's installment), but I just don't see that format really working for Trek in the long-term on a weekly television series. The budget couldn't handle it, for starters; but I also believe that the vast majority of new Trek fans created by the last two movies are only very casually interested, probably not to the point where they're willing to sit down once a week and watch a much less glossy version of an exciting summer movie they happened to enjoy, with greatly-downgraded effects and actors to boot.

IMO Trek does work best in a television format... and the films, while usually fun, are typically outclassed by the really good episodes of each series (well, except maybe Voyager, lol). And it does eventually need to return to television, but I'd rather see the Prime Timeline again.

The best Trek fiction these days is, surprisingly, coming in the form of books. The rebooted novels (just called "Star Trek", with no focus on any specific series) tell stories set after the abysmal Nemesis and focus on various combinations of characters and crews from all the previous 24th-century series, as well as adding new characters to the mix and continuing to give us glimpses into the lives of these characters in a way that doesn't feel at all hackneyed or as if we're just re-treading the same ground over again.

The Destiny trilogy of novels would make for an excellent TV miniseries, and not be as much of an investment for CBS as starting out by creating an entirely new series. It's a great story, would give TNG a better send-off than Nemesis ever did, and involve Prime Universe characters and secondary characters ranging from every Trek series except TOS (even Enterprise, since it features the crew of the Columbia NX-02) Trek's been off the air for close to a decade, now, and testing the waters with a miniseries would probably be safer. Destiny's story also sets the stage for the Typhon Pact era of the late-24th century and the introduces the Federation version of Quantum Slipstream drive, which would definitely be new political and technological dynamics for a hypothetical new TV series to take place in if the miniseries proved successful.

I don't really expect it to happen, though; nor do I expect a new show based on Abrams' Trek, either. Trek will probably come back to the airwaves eventually, but likely in some other form that will divide fans just as much as the new films have.

JamesKurtovich · 12-05-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by L.J.

Don,t know if there is a forum for this are not, but I would like to see them take the new Star Trek cast and make a TV show out of it. So far have really liked what J.J. Abrams has done with the franchise.Have been a Star Trek fan since the original series.

I'd love a new Star Trek series, but one that more resembles TOS/TNG in that the emphasis is on good storytelling.

Thomas Veil · 12-05-2013, 04:04 PM

One thing they have to pay attention to the next time around is the opening theme music...I know sounds dumb but I swear I didn't watch Enterprise for the longest time becuase every time I heard the opening music I thought it reminded me of a show like 7th Heaven or something.lol. It's amazing how much an opening theme sets the mood for the rest of the show.

Moefiz · 12-05-2013, 06:11 PM

I for one would LOVE to see a new series...something separate from the movie with new actors and characters...

Loved Voyager, and would buy it on blu for sure.

Elandyll · 12-05-2013, 06:18 PM

You know what I think would be an interesting experiment?

A series parallel to the TNG/ DS9 time periods, but in the new alternate storyline.
Allows to see new ships, stations, etc. while staying clear of the Kirk era (which films have covered for now), and reference "known" events with a twist whenever they want to reference events that happened around the Enterprise D/ DS9, though not located there?

Dunno, thought it might be interesting in a way (might be confusing to non trekkies though)

Monolithium · 12-05-2013, 09:19 PM

Imagine a series set in the original timeline for the first two or three seasons and then is forced into the Abrams timeline when Spock red matters the thingy.

Captain Awesome: Everything is going to be alright!
reality shifts
Captain Not-So-Awesome: The Romuborg have invaded Confederation space!

stvn1974 · 12-06-2013, 04:02 PM

They should make a show out of the Abrams Star Trek universe. They could remake every Saved By The Bell episode but set it in space. It would be easy for them to do since Star Trek Into Darkness showed that they have no new ideas.

arcadeforest · 12-06-2013, 09:25 PM

Have to agree with many here on two counts, would love to see a new Trek series - do not think I would want it like the last two films.

Dmacsg1 · 12-15-2013, 03:49 PM

Having just finished the Star Trek Vanguard series a couple of months ago...I would love to see this made into a series. It has everything you need for a good series! The creator of the series is David Mack who also penned the above mentioned Destiny trilogy. I also second the motion for a Destiny mini series!!

EricJ · 12-15-2013, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Darev

I blame season 3 for the death of Enterprise. Personally the last thing I wanted to see at that time was a long drawn out "war" with people seeking vengeance for an attack on their home.
I'm probably not alone with that thought.

Technically you're not, S3 DID kill Trek, but you got the wrong one--"9/11 fears" was about 16th or 17th on the list of complaints.

- The "Attack of the Clones" alien council
- So, you think you're Earth's "good guy", Archer?...Well, this is WAR! You have to learn how to be a tough guy, and make mean compromising choices! Now go push the moral envelope, and start opening a can of Abu Ghraib whoop-ass on those aliens!
- The goofy, easygoing engineer suddenly turning bitter, hostile and crabby just to remind the show of its plot motivation,
- The Agents of SHIELD-like knowledge that it's going to take them an entire season of filler to find what they're looking for,
- The space marines. The freakin' James Cameron space marines.
- The endless, endless "Previously..." recaps that got longer with each episode they had to recap, until it became like that old Grandmother's-trunk game by the end of the season: "I packed my grandmother's trunk, and in it, I put the Florida attack, Trip whining about his sister, T'pol helping him sleep, the aliens arguing, the one good alien saying he knows where to find the weapon..."

and yes:
- Obligatory canon-establishing intercrew romance for almost no visible reason whatsoever, featuring Playboy Sensuous Vulcan Massage

(Oh, and you thought the "Sexy lesbian Mirror-Universe Major Kira" on DS9 was embarrassing? The Seven of Nine degradation they put T'Pol through in one season shouldn't happen to Dax!

So, it was, what, every fourth episode that had some drug condition or space anomaly that triggered her Vulcan emotions to go either sexy or hysterical, just for Emmy-time?)

The tragedy is, the Fourth season fixed all the problems, threw in original-series lore for every story, and became the geek-canon First-Season tribute we wanted the show to be, but the damage had already been done. And took the entire franchise with it.

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Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

*he says as he's watching season 4 of DS9*

There's nothing wrong with watching DS9 (*he says as he's finishing S2 on Netflix*

)
The TNG spinoffs just got a little too overextended in close quarters, and seven years of Voyager fresh on the heels of seven years of DS9 was just TOO MUCH.
I got so used to Netflixing Enterprise every Friday night that I needed something else after it ended, and decided to go back through all those "missing" years of DS9 and Voyager we all ignored when they were on the air...I find it actually does help to let nostalgia color things a bit, let a few years go by and come back to them in moderation. Never know what you miss till they're gone.

(Although I did have to readjust when I started watching DS9 after a twenty-year gap: I skipped the pompous pilot, jumped straight into Dr. Bashir meeting Plain and Simple Garak, and had to instantly call up long-buried memories to emergency-reacquaint myself on the fly--"Okay, gray people bad, the planet's independent, Snotty-boy's stuck-up and charming, Leopard-girl's lived several lives, and Hillary's in charge...Got it, go.")

jblank · 12-16-2013, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darev

I blame season 3 for the death of Enterprise. Personally the last thing I wanted to see at that time was a long drawn out "war" with people seeking vengeance for an attack on their home.

I'm probably not alone with that thought.

However, season 4 was spectacular!

---On Topic---
I seem to remember hearing musings of another Trek show being in development. Nothing more than a rumor though.

Wow, really? I thought season 3 of Enterprise was one of the finest Star Trek season EVER. That kind of conflict was exactly what I think the show needed and frankly, what the franchise needs.

I mean, season 3 had Twilight, one of the best and most interesting episodes in the entire Star Trek run of TV shows.

EricJ · 12-16-2013, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jblank

Wow, really? I thought season 3 of Enterprise was one of the finest Star Trek season EVER. That kind of conflict was exactly what I think the show needed and frankly, what the franchise needs.

(Let me guess: You were raised on "season arcs", right?

)

jblank · 12-16-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EricJ

(Let me guess: You were raised on "season arcs", right?

)

My opinion of that season is worthy of a

to you? Really? My goodness......wow! Taking things a bit seriously huh? No, I was raised on the old and original Star Trek, then I transitioned into TNG after the Original Trek films. Season arcs are fine when they work and the Xindi worked. If you didn't like it, fine, but they seem to be popular, well thought of episodes, if the ratings at TrekToday.com are accurate.

No. Episode Airdate Rerun Review Parody Rating
#301 The Xindi 09/10/03 06/02/04 Yes Yes 7.3
#302 Anomaly 09/17/03 06/02/04 Yes N/A 8.2
#303 Extinction 09/24/03 06/09/04 Yes Yes 7.1
#304 Rajiin 10/01/03 06/09/04 Yes Yes 7.4
#305 Impulse 10/08/03 06/16/04 Yes Yes 8.3
#306 Exile 10/15/03 06/23/04 Yes Yes 7.8
#307 The Shipment 10/29/03 06/30/04 Yes Yes 7.9
#308 Twilight 11/05/03 06/30/04 Yes Yes 9.0
#309 North Star 11/12/03 07/07/04 Yes Yes 7.9
#310 Similitude 11/19/03 07/07/04 Yes Yes N/A
#311 Carpenter Street 11/26/03 07/14/04 Yes Yes 7.4
#312 Chosen Realm 01/14/04 07/14/04 Yes Yes 7.1
#313 Proving Ground 01/21/04 07/21/04 Yes Yes 8.7
#314 Stratagem 02/04/04 07/21/04 Yes Yes 8.5
#315 Harbinger 02/11/04 04/07/04 Yes Yes 7.6
#316 Doctor's Orders 02/18/04 04/07/04 Yes Yes 7.7
#317 Hatchery 02/25/04 08/06/04 Yes Yes N/A
#318 Azati Prime 03/03/04 08/13/04 Yes Yes N/A
#319 Damage 04/21/04 08/13/04 Yes Yes N/A
#320 The Forgotten 04/28/04 08/20/04 Yes N/A N/A
#321 E² 05/05/04 08/27/04 Yes Yes N/A
#322 The Council 05/12/04 09/03/04 Yes Yes N/A
#323 Countdown 05/19/04 09/10/04 Yes Yes 8.9
#324 Zero Hour 05/26/04 09/17/04 Yes Yes 8.6

Krelldog1977 · 12-16-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stvn1974

They should make a show out of the Abrams Star Trek universe. They could remake every Saved By The Bell episode but set it in space. It would be easy for them to do since Star Trek Into Darkness showed that they have no new ideas.

You said it....they NEED to make a tv mini series, with our new cast. Three or 4 movies per decade is not enough to develop a significant fan base.

....and at the end of into darkness Kirk recites the captain's oath...almost a hint that a tv show may become a reality!

beckmen · 12-21-2013, 05:20 AM

Most of the cast of the movies now think of themselves as "movie stars" since they starred in two massive tentpole movies. That and the prohibitive FX costs nix chances for a TV series with that cast.

I don't think it would be feasible to do a Trek show based on the movies and not have it come off as cheap. They'd soon find out that trying to make an exciting hour with 2% of the budget the movies have is a difficult task. Even if they gave us a new ship and crew, they wouldn't be able to come close to the pace and scope of the movies. Kind of reminds me of that live-action SW series that never got made because LucasFilm could never figure out how to do Star Wars on a TV budget and not have it be about half a dozen people arguing in a cantina.

benbess · 01-01-2014, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beckmen

Most of the cast of the movies now think of themselves as "movie stars" since they starred in two massive tentpole movies. That and the prohibitive FX costs nix chances for a TV series with that cast.

I don't think it would be feasible to do a Trek show based on the movies and not have it come off as cheap. They'd soon find out that trying to make an exciting hour with 2% of the budget the movies have is a difficult task. Even if they gave us a new ship and crew, they wouldn't be able to come close to the pace and scope of the movies. Kind of reminds me of that live-action SW series that never got made because LucasFilm could never figure out how to do Star Wars on a TV budget and not have it be about half a dozen people arguing in a cantina.

You make some a lot of good points. But making good science fiction on a tv budget was really what Star Trek did best for many years. I think they need to figure out the balance so that they have enough for sets, fx, make-up, etc., but focus more on the characters, the story, and the ideas. When Star Trek was hitting on all cylinders they were able to do very good science fiction even while only spending about 2% of what Into Darkness cost on a per minute basis.

I think they should still set a new tv show in the Prime universe, esp. now that JJA has moved on to Star Wars....

Cplhicks · 01-01-2014, 09:32 PM

Since the studio that makes the movies and the one that makes the show are different, I doubt we would ever see the movie cast in a TV show (plus the aforementioned "movie stars"). Unfortunately I have also heard the studio who would have to produce the TV show just plain doesn't care or have any interest in doing so. I would love a new ST TV show, no matter what form it took. Then again, I'd love any proper SF space based show to be on TV at this point. I wouldn't get my hopes up about new ST until the current CBS studio head steps down at the very least, though.

10-15-2013, 01:24 AM	#1
L.J. Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Aug 2013 Location:South Carolina 4K collection:249 Blu-ray collection:752 DVD collection:23 Blu-ray reviews: 145 Trading Score:56	New Star Trek Show Maybe Don,t know if there is a forum for this are not, but I would like to see them take the new Star Trek cast and make a TV show out of it. So far have really liked what J.J. Abrams has done with the franchise.Have been a Star Trek fan since the original series.

10-15-2013, 04:32 AM	#4
TM2-Megatron Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Toronto, Canada 4K collection:1394 Blu-ray collection:5564 DVD collection:140 Trading Score:2	I started watching TNG when I was 6 in '89, and was hooked from then all the way through DS9. Lost faith a bit during VOY's more poorly-written episodes, but then Enterprise, while far from perfect, was light-years ahead of Voyager and easily good enough to make me look forward to turning on Trek again each week (and the fourth season was pretty darn good). It also helped that ENT's production values were ridiculously high for a Trek series, and the characters were mostly pretty likeable and the actors didn't seem to require nearly as much "settling-in time" as TNG, DS9 and VOY did. All that said, I can't scrounge up much enthusiasm for a show based on Abrams' new continuity, and I doubt I'd watch it. Abrams' Trek lacks much in the way of interesting storytelling, and relies more on flashy effects and action more in line with what you'd find in Star Wars. Trek '09 was the best Star Wars movie since 1983, in that respect. I enjoy watching them ('09 more than this year's installment), but I just don't see that format really working for Trek in the long-term on a weekly television series. The budget couldn't handle it, for starters; but I also believe that the vast majority of new Trek fans created by the last two movies are only very casually interested, probably not to the point where they're willing to sit down once a week and watch a much less glossy version of an exciting summer movie they happened to enjoy, with greatly-downgraded effects and actors to boot. IMO Trek does work best in a television format... and the films, while usually fun, are typically outclassed by the really good episodes of each series (well, except maybe Voyager, lol). And it does eventually need to return to television, but I'd rather see the Prime Timeline again. The best Trek fiction these days is, surprisingly, coming in the form of books. The rebooted novels (just called "Star Trek", with no focus on any specific series) tell stories set after the abysmal Nemesis and focus on various combinations of characters and crews from all the previous 24th-century series, as well as adding new characters to the mix and continuing to give us glimpses into the lives of these characters in a way that doesn't feel at all hackneyed or as if we're just re-treading the same ground over again. The Destiny trilogy of novels would make for an excellent TV miniseries, and not be as much of an investment for CBS as starting out by creating an entirely new series. It's a great story, would give TNG a better send-off than Nemesis ever did, and involve Prime Universe characters and secondary characters ranging from every Trek series except TOS (even Enterprise, since it features the crew of the Columbia NX-02) Trek's been off the air for close to a decade, now, and testing the waters with a miniseries would probably be safer. Destiny's story also sets the stage for the Typhon Pact era of the late-24th century and the introduces the Federation version of Quantum Slipstream drive, which would definitely be new political and technological dynamics for a hypothetical new TV series to take place in if the miniseries proved successful. I don't really expect it to happen, though; nor do I expect a new show based on Abrams' Trek, either. Trek will probably come back to the airwaves eventually, but likely in some other form that will divide fans just as much as the new films have. Last edited by TM2-Megatron; 10-15-2013 at 04:43 AM.

10-15-2013, 03:55 AM	#2
Batman1980 Blu-ray Jedi Member since:Feb 2009 Location:District 13 Home Theater Gallery:8 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:48	I doubt we will see another show any time soon, even with Dorn trying hard to have another one made. Perhaps if Enterprise hadn't been met with so much criticism...it does seem weird for there not to be a running Star Trek show though...he says as he's watching season 4 of DS9

10-15-2013, 04:20 AM	#3
Darev Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Apr 2009 4K collection:259 Blu-ray collection:879 Digital collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:2	I blame season 3 for the death of Enterprise. Personally the last thing I wanted to see at that time was a long drawn out "war" with people seeking vengeance for an attack on their home. I'm probably not alone with that thought. However, season 4 was spectacular! ---On Topic--- I seem to remember hearing musings of another Trek show being in development. Nothing more than a rumor though.

12-05-2013, 04:04 PM	#6
Thomas Veil Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2013 Location:Syracuse, NY Blu-ray collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1	One thing they have to pay attention to the next time around is the opening theme music...I know sounds dumb but I swear I didn't watch Enterprise for the longest time becuase every time I heard the opening music I thought it reminded me of a show like 7th Heaven or something.lol. It's amazing how much an opening theme sets the mood for the rest of the show.

12-05-2013, 06:11 PM	#7
Moefiz Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:288 DVD collection:20 Blu-ray reviews: 15 Trading Score:70	I for one would LOVE to see a new series...something separate from the movie with new actors and characters... Loved Voyager, and would buy it on blu for sure.

12-05-2013, 06:18 PM	#8
Elandyll Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2007 Location:MD Blu-ray collection:188 Trading Score:1	You know what I think would be an interesting experiment? A series parallel to the TNG/ DS9 time periods, but in the new alternate storyline. Allows to see new ships, stations, etc. while staying clear of the Kirk era (which films have covered for now), and reference "known" events with a twist whenever they want to reference events that happened around the Enterprise D/ DS9, though not located there? Dunno, thought it might be interesting in a way (might be confusing to non trekkies though)

12-05-2013, 09:19 PM	#9
Monolithium Power Member Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Canada	Imagine a series set in the original timeline for the first two or three seasons and then is forced into the Abrams timeline when Spock red matters the thingy. Captain Awesome: Everything is going to be alright! reality shifts Captain Not-So-Awesome: The Romuborg have invaded Confederation space!

12-06-2013, 04:02 PM	#10
stvn1974 Blu-ray Prince Member since:Jan 2012 Location:Earth Trading Score:18	They should make a show out of the Abrams Star Trek universe. They could remake every Saved By The Bell episode but set it in space. It would be easy for them to do since Star Trek Into Darkness showed that they have no new ideas.

12-06-2013, 09:25 PM	#11
arcadeforest Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Apr 2010 Location:Sherwood Forest Blu-ray collection:917 DVD collection:54 Digital collection:92 Trading Score:3	Have to agree with many here on two counts, would love to see a new Trek series - do not think I would want it like the last two films.

12-15-2013, 03:49 PM	#12
Dmacsg1 Member Member since:Nov 2010 Location:Shelby, NC 4K collection:65 Blu-ray collection:782	Having just finished the Star Trek Vanguard series a couple of months ago...I would love to see this made into a series. It has everything you need for a good series! The creator of the series is David Mack who also penned the above mentioned Destiny trilogy. I also second the motion for a Destiny mini series!!

12-21-2013, 05:20 AM	#18
beckmen Active Member Member since:Mar 2011 Location:Western New York Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray collection:289 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:2	Most of the cast of the movies now think of themselves as "movie stars" since they starred in two massive tentpole movies. That and the prohibitive FX costs nix chances for a TV series with that cast. I don't think it would be feasible to do a Trek show based on the movies and not have it come off as cheap. They'd soon find out that trying to make an exciting hour with 2% of the budget the movies have is a difficult task. Even if they gave us a new ship and crew, they wouldn't be able to come close to the pace and scope of the movies. Kind of reminds me of that live-action SW series that never got made because LucasFilm could never figure out how to do Star Wars on a TV budget and not have it be about half a dozen people arguing in a cantina.

01-01-2014, 09:32 PM	#20
Cplhicks Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 4K collection:275 Blu-ray collection:1995 DVD collection:798 MA collection:456 Digital collection:580 iTunes collection:667 Prime collection:445 Trading Score:31	Since the studio that makes the movies and the one that makes the show are different, I doubt we would ever see the movie cast in a TV show (plus the aforementioned "movie stars"). Unfortunately I have also heard the studio who would have to produce the TV show just plain doesn't care or have any interest in doing so. I would love a new ST TV show, no matter what form it took. Then again, I'd love any proper SF space based show to be on TV at this point. I wouldn't get my hopes up about new ST until the current CBS studio head steps down at the very least, though.

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