Cinavia protected DVDs and BD's, player totally shutting off

[Blucollect]

Hi, I am renting titles from my public library on DVD, and am having a problem playing them in my BD 3D player (samsung BD 3D FM 59).

the library uses cinavia (developed by verance), cinavia is causing something i should not be experiencing, it is totally shutting down my Blu-Ray 3D player.

i have cinavia related questions, what file format is this technology and is it in the list of unacceptable formats for my player to play?

and is cinavia supposed to cause the total stoppage of a movie on a consumer level device (the tech is intended for professional theater room operator use)?

what are your thoughts, and should i only be using things with a license, and increasing my interval in buying those things physically and digitally.

[halloween5309]

cinavia only mutes the sound and does not take effect till around 20 minutes into the movie
to my knowledge it cant shut down your player
i use a panasonic dmp bdt210 that is cinavia free

[Blucollect]

Halloween5309, mine is one of them that can, its actually shut the thing down during crackle playback of hitch.

my player picks message code 1 of cinavia (playback stops completely), muting the audio is message code 3

it has shut down redbox rental discs, it has shut down the libraries system on itself.

[mrr1]

Cinavia is a virus. I've had cinavia errors with legitimate discs too. I now actively avoid watching movies that use cinavia. Studios can piss right off with that DRM crap.

[Clark Kent]

If you can still find them, all original Blu-ray players that haven't received updated firmware ignores Cinavia flags.

[Chiefy]

That's odd? Are you playing the original discs, or did you make copies to watch later, and those are what is causing the problem? It was my understanding that only backups trigger Cinavia, not the originals.

[Allgood]

This is an old thread, but I too rented Love and Friendship from the library and I got the same message. Even when I skipped a scene, it still gave me that Code 3 message. It's a legit copy, and I'm using my usual Samsung Blu-Ray player. I'm going to try my other one to see, but if Sony movies are getting so rigorous to the point where it prevents library copies from being viewed, then maybe I'll stay away from those movies.

I wonder if DVDs are more sensitive than BRs? I have Sony BR movies and I don't get this error on my player.

edit: Tried Xbox and another DVD player, still comes up after 20 minutes.

[Supermartyoh]

If anything, I had a official region A Sony BD of Amazing Spider Man (combo pack with DVD) do this weird Cinavia thing on my PS3. Of course, it was a library copy but another one I got (same combo pack version) from a different library was fine the whole way through. The copy that set off the Cinavia was almost brand new with no scratches, but the other one was kinda scratched and scuffed but played without any message #s. I believe the factors to that could be:

- The way some batches of discs are pressed and authored, and how different apart
they are

- If there's any surface substances or scratches on the disc that causes the laser difficulty to read it, possibly leading to think its a poorly burned "copy" setting off the protection protocols

- If your system or BD player is updated with the proper firmware

- Or if the player's built in Cinavia is faulty with detecting false positives. Since Cinavia is embedded in the audio, its probably picking up "copied rip" or "theatrical track" flags going by the audio samples if they sound similar or are the same DTS-MA core tracks copied over.

Now, how can DVDs have this protection since it was never part of the offical specifications, let alone being a known protection method? DVD spec Dolby Digital can be used on Blu-Ray, and they can embed the Cinavia watermark in its audio. What they are probably doing is porting those BD prepped AC3 tracks when making the DVD versions to streamline production, which explains how they can have an additional protection protocol without affecting the DVD guidelines, since its audio related and not video like CSS.

Most DVD players don't have Cinavia flags since that was never part of the DVD specifications, but it appears some newer Sony ones might and BD players with those Cinavia built in can find it in a DVD if the AC3 track were sourced from Blu-ray prepped tracks that have the watermark in them.

[UFAlien]

Well dang, this sounds scary now... even though I've never had a problem with this now I'm paranoid. Anyone had problems with this on BDs they bought from a store/Amazon as opposed to rented/backed up copies?

[jimidini]

I need to research on the usage of this.

I had a few really weird problems, when playing a few of my Blu-rays (I check region B Blu-rays to enter the result on this very site) on my region A PS3.

Like for example PS3 directly going back to the PS3-menu. And sometimes this happening even during the movie. I thought that it was simply Sony's incompetence. But maybe it's also some silly copy protection going crazy. Although at least one of those Blu-rays was even made by Sony and the PS3 is on latest firmware.

[stratford]

**jimidini** which titles are the challenge?
I have some titles that rather than politely telly you that there is a region miss match just XXXXXX about instead