Will the cancer called Colour Grading cling on to 4K-Bluray? - Blu-ray Forum

hajiketobu · 08-11-2015, 01:51 PM

I can't wait for this lousy trend to die out. This reminds me of my early teenage years where I played around with highlights, midtones and shadows in my semi-professional video editing software, trying to be edgy. In the 90s they also used over-the-top scene transition effects. They also died out. I hate to see classics getting destroyed by colour grading, just because it's trendy at the moment.

Coenskubrick · 08-12-2015, 01:22 AM

Geez, so many threads about deadly diseases here.

Petra_Kalbrain · 08-12-2015, 02:31 AM

"Cancer called Colour Grading"

Melodramatic much?

dubious · 08-12-2015, 02:48 AM

If you restore a film from negative though, color timing is an essential part of process. Unless you're going with a previously timed positive print, but you won't get the benefit of 4K from that source. I know you're trying to get at the Teal & Orange debate with newer movies more likely, but it is a step in the process.

Spike M. · 08-12-2015, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubious

If you restore a film from negative though, color timing is an essential part of process. Unless you're going with a previously timed positive print, but you won't get the benefit of 4K from that source. I know you're trying to get at the Teal & Orange debate with newer movies more likely, but it is a step in the process.

Yeah.

I think in general studios make a solid effort to either grade from a director approved positive from back in the day, or literally call the director up and have him give approval. The problem with going "well back in the 90's I saw X movie on 35mm and it looked totally different!", is that A.) Memory sucks, B.) color and contrast standardization across film prints sucks.

Studio's might want to publish that info like Criterion does, though. I'm sure if Criterion wasn't famous for consulting filmmakers, a select group of people would whine about how like, the Terry Gilliam approved Fisher King looked like it had a new grade.

There are probably some issues with modern releases, though. Roger Deakins hasn't seen much of any of his films on Blu-ray. I'm not sure how much a studio has the director involved in the compression. I know ever since The Dark Knight disaster that Nolan keeps an eye on it, but outside of that...

Al_The_Strange · 08-12-2015, 04:19 AM

Shouldn't color grading be more comparable to jaundice or something?

Petra_Kalbrain · 08-12-2015, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

Shouldn't color grading be more comparable to jaundice or something?

I see what you did there. And...

[Show spoiler]

Penton-Man · 08-13-2015, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coenskubrick

Geez, so many threads about deadly diseases here.

As long as someone speaking beyond their expertise and experience doesn’t start a thread making an analogy to STDs, then I think we’ll be o.k..; otherwise, some of the more *adventurous* amongst us (given past experience) just might start subconsciously scratching down there.

Penton-Man · 08-13-2015, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

Shouldn't color grading be more comparable to jaundice

or something?

Hematology 101.....methemoglobinemia (blu-ish).

mar3o · 08-14-2015, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

"Cancer called Colour Grading"

Melodramatic much?

Funny you say that, considering your avatar. On the blu-rays, his uniform is teal, not blue like it should be.

HeavyHitter · 08-14-2015, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mar3o

Funny you say that, considering your avatar. On the blu-rays, his uniform is teal, not blue like it should be.

The original theatrical version had his uniform leaning a bit more teal to distinguish from blue screen effects; however, on the expanded version they tweaked it to blue. I gave sources for this in the Superman thread.

Al_The_Strange · 08-14-2015, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

I see what you did there. And...

[Show spoiler]

I'm glad Superman approves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hematology 101.....methemoglobinemia (blu-ish).

I'm a Blu-Ray collector, not a doctor!

If we want to properly diagnose our Blu-Rays, let's call it methemoglobinemia for all the teal (Terminator) and jaundice for all the yellow (TGTBATU).

Penton-Man · 08-14-2015, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

I'm a Blu-Ray collector, not a doctor!

If we want to properly diagnose our Blu-Rays, let's call it methemoglobinemia for all the teal (Terminator) and jaundice for all the yellow (TGTBATU).

Dee dubious posted above that the OP was trying to get at thee ol’ Teal and Orange debate....https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...al#post4453090

So, in response, just thought I’d pass on what I learned on the Discovery Channel…..or perhaps it was a recent stay at the Holiday Inn Express?

I have a sneaky suspicion that the OP drives this truck…. http://alphalab.london/ and shouldn’t be posting while driving.

Anyway, on a more serious note, one of thee photochemical timers still working…..
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/mato-de...ian/1b/451/477

Goes by ‘Mato’

on imdb.

dubious · 08-14-2015, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Anyway, on a more serious note, one of thee photochemical timers still working…..
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/mato-de...ian/1b/451/477

Goes by ‘Mato’

on imdb.

What the hell is a Mato, a handle around here?

Reminds me, I want spaghetti...

Penton-Man · 08-14-2015, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubious

What the hell is a Mato

http://www.native-languages.org/lakota_animals.htm

ZoetMB · 08-18-2015, 06:29 PM

Gezus...every color film ever made was color graded.

If you don't like trends in color grading, like teal or whatever, or if you don't like re-mastering that changes the color of a classic film, that's another story.

Films would look like crap if not color graded. The color would change with every shot. Most films look like crap out of the camera.

mastadge · 08-18-2015, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

"Cancer called Colour Grading"

Melodramatic much?

Monochromatic much?

mar3o · 08-18-2015, 10:47 PM

People in here are being too pedantic. It's quite obvious the OP is referring to modernizing older films with more modern color schemes, like adding heavy teal and yellow tints that were never present previously. Obviously some form of color timing is necessary, but the idea is to match new master (or at least attempt to match the new master) to look as close as they can to how it originally was meant to look. When they start making "artistic" choices to make older films look teal or yellow, that's when I have a problem, and I'm sure that's what the OP was referring to.

Blu-Dog · 08-18-2015, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mar3o

People in here are being too pedantic. It's quite obvious the OP is referring to modernizing older films with more modern color schemes, like adding heavy teal and yellow tints that were never present previously. Obviously some form of color timing is necessary, but the idea is to match new master (or at least attempt to match the new master) to look as close as they can to how it originally was meant to look. When they start making "artistic" choices to make older films look teal or yellow, that's when I have a problem, and I'm sure that's what the OP was referring to.

He was referring to cancer, for impact. I guess he's a lousy writer.

Penton-Man · 08-19-2015, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

He was referring to cancer.....

These days several forum members seem to want to become an Oncologist.

Doesn’t anyone desire to be a crispy-grilled (by Cinema Lowdown), Hollywood Studio mastering department executive ?

08-11-2015, 01:51 PM	#1
hajiketobu Active Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2008 Blu-ray reviews:1	Will the cancer called Colour Grading cling on to 4K-Bluray? I can't wait for this lousy trend to die out. This reminds me of my early teenage years where I played around with highlights, midtones and shadows in my semi-professional video editing software, trying to be edgy. In the 90s they also used over-the-top scene transition effects. They also died out. I hate to see classics getting destroyed by colour grading, just because it's trendy at the moment.

08-12-2015, 01:22 AM	#2
Coenskubrick Blu-ray Guru Member since:Apr 2015 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:558	Geez, so many threads about deadly diseases here.

08-12-2015, 02:31 AM	#3
Petra_Kalbrain Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Vancouver, BC 4K collection:5 Blu-ray collection:561 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:20	"Cancer called Colour Grading" Melodramatic much?

08-12-2015, 02:48 AM	#4
dubious Power Member Member since:Jul 2015 Blu-ray collection:310 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews: 37	If you restore a film from negative though, color timing is an essential part of process. Unless you're going with a previously timed positive print, but you won't get the benefit of 4K from that source. I know you're trying to get at the Teal & Orange debate with newer movies more likely, but it is a step in the process.

08-12-2015, 04:19 AM	#6
Al_The_Strange Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Apr 2009 Location:Out there...past them trees... Home Theater Gallery:126 4K collection:1125 Blu-ray collection:4949 DVD collection:530 Digital collection:1013 Blu-ray reviews: 132 Trading Score:32	Shouldn't color grading be more comparable to jaundice or something?

08-18-2015, 06:29 PM	#16
ZoetMB Blu-ray Ninja Member since:May 2009 Location:New York Blu-ray collection:172 DVD collection:27 Blu-ray reviews: 3	Gezus...every color film ever made was color graded. If you don't like trends in color grading, like teal or whatever, or if you don't like re-mastering that changes the color of a classic film, that's another story. Films would look like crap if not color graded. The color would change with every shot. Most films look like crap out of the camera.

08-18-2015, 10:47 PM	#18
mar3o Banned Member since:Dec 2011 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:2	People in here are being too pedantic. It's quite obvious the OP is referring to modernizing older films with more modern color schemes, like adding heavy teal and yellow tints that were never present previously. Obviously some form of color timing is necessary, but the idea is to match new master (or at least attempt to match the new master) to look as close as they can to how it originally was meant to look. When they start making "artistic" choices to make older films look teal or yellow, that's when I have a problem, and I'm sure that's what the OP was referring to.

Best Blu-ray Movie Deals