Law & Order finale

[Groo The Perverted]

This isn't another thread talking about the show being cancelled, but more just to give my thoughts on the finale.

Anyone else watch that and just feel so angry and frustrated at the storyline involving the "Rubber Room"?

My brother is a teacher and my mom's been an educator for years, and is now a Director of Education at a midwest university.

And watch this just reinforces why I would NEVER be a teacher. Not just the little pay or respect, but the fact that these kids can f*** your whole life up with a simple accusation. One thing taken out of context, or intentionally blown up into something it's not, and your life is gone.

Basically this is what happened.

[Show spoiler]The main case involved a blog that had these pictures of pipe bombs and whatnot, and a video showing one going off. They tracked that to another site that had a huge manifesto about essentially recreating a Columbine like situation.

So they're going around trying to find out who is behind this, and they discover this place called "the Rubber Room" where teachers who are under investigation over accusations of misconduct are sent to basically do crossword puzzles and whatnot. They can't be allowed to TEACH, so in order to still get paid and their pension they have to show up here and just ...be there.

Some have been there for years with no end in sight.

So while that was upsetting, HERE's the part that really just infuriated me.

One teacher was accused of calling a student stupid. What she said was that if he didn't learn his lessons, that people would think he was stupid, even if he wasn't stupid.

Her career is done. There were a bunch like that, but by far the worst was this teacher who was teaching class, and a kid asked to go to the bathroom. It was 10 minutes left in the class, and seeing as how the teachers get shit if their students are in the hallway during class, he asked the student to hold it and wait.

The student goes to the front of the class, and takes a leak in the trash can. The teacher steps in to stop him, and the kid goes to the principal or whoever and accused him of molestation! he was sent to the Rubber room to wait out the case, and it was thrown out by the board I guess, but he was still done. No one would hire him.

This just reinforces my belief that kids as a whole are just completely without morals and ethics and have no problem just completely ruining someone's life.

YES this is a show, but if you don't think this type of shit has happened you're delusional.

And not all kids are like that, but a lot are. And it's not "kids these days" because they were a-holes back when I was in school.

Knowing this, why would you EVER want to be a teacher and put yourself in that position of vulnerability where all a kid has to do is make an accusation like that, and even if they exonerate you, you're done.

I honestly fear for my brother having something like that happen. these kids know way too much as far as how to manipulate and the power of blanket accusations.

It's like these people who have wrongly been accused of sexual offenses or whatever. all it takes is an accusation. Even if you're acquitted, you're always going to be the guy who was accused of a sex offense.



EDIT: here's a NY Times article talking about the episode and the "Rubber Rooms". MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR THE FINALE IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...e-rubber-room/

[Sabotage]

Originally Posted by Groo The Perverted

This isn't another thread talking about the show being cancelled, but more just to give my thoughts on the finale.

Anyone else watch that and just feel so angry and frustrated at the storyline involving the "Rubber Room"?

My brother is a teacher and my mom's been an educator for years, and is now a Director of Education at a midwest university.

And watch this just reinforces why I would NEVER be a teacher. Not just the little pay or respect, but the fact that these kids can f*** your whole life up with a simple accusation. One thing taken out of context, or intentionally blown up into something it's not, and your life is gone.

Basically this is what happened.

[Show spoiler]The main case involved a blog that had these pictures of pipe bombs and whatnot, and a video showing one going off. They tracked that to another site that had a huge manifesto about essentially recreating a Columbine like situation.

So they're going around trying to find out who is behind this, and they discover this place called "the Rubber Room" where teachers who are under investigation over accusations of misconduct are sent to basically do crossword puzzles and whatnot. They can't be allowed to TEACH, so in order to still get paid and their pension they have to show up here and just ...be there.

Some have been there for years with no end in sight.

So while that was upsetting, HERE's the part that really just infuriated me.

One teacher was accused of calling a student stupid. What she said was that if he didn't learn his lessons, that people would think he was stupid, even if he wasn't stupid.

Her career is done. There were a bunch like that, but by far the worst was this teacher who was teaching class, and a kid asked to go to the bathroom. It was 10 minutes left in the class, and seeing as how the teachers get shit if their students are in the hallway during class, he asked the student to hold it and wait.

The student goes to the front of the class, and takes a leak in the trash can. The teacher steps in to stop him, and the kid goes to the principal or whoever and accused him of molestation! he was sent to the Rubber room to wait out the case, and it was thrown out by the board I guess, but he was still done. No one would hire him.

This just reinforces my belief that kids as a whole are just completely without morals and ethics and have no problem just completely ruining someone's life.

YES this is a show, but if you don't think this type of shit has happened you're delusional.

And not all kids are like that, but a lot are. And it's not "kids these days" because they were a-holes back when I was in school.

Knowing this, why would you EVER want to be a teacher and put yourself in that position of vulnerability where all a kid has to do is make an accusation like that, and even if they exonerate you, you're done.

I honestly fear for my brother having something like that happen. these kids know way too much as far as how to manipulate and the power of blanket accusations.

It's like these people who have wrongly been accused of sexual offenses or whatever. all it takes is an accusation. Even if you're acquitted, you're always going to be the guy who was accused of a sex offense.



EDIT: here's a NY Times article talking about the episode and the "Rubber Rooms". MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR THE FINALE IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...e-rubber-room/

Watched it on my PVR this morning.

[Show spoiler] I seriously thought that Lupo was gonna get shot in that library.

One of the best episodes of the show ever I'd say. It's a real shame that it has to end here.

[Groo The Perverted]

Yeah it definitely went out on a high note.

[beefytwinkie]

My favorite scene was Jack McCoy yelling at that annoying guy from Rambo. Good episode!

I hope it moves to another channel like TNT or something.

[Jwilly019]

Originally Posted by beefytwinkie

My favorite scene was Jack McCoy yelling at that annoying guy from Rambo. Good episode!

I hope it moves to another channel like TNT or something.

The re-runs will continue to air on TNT, but I haven't heard anything about new episodes moving to another channel. In fact, I heard that one of the reasons they decided not to renew the show was because TNT told NBC they wouldn't pick up any new seasons.

Justin

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by beefytwinkie

My favorite scene was Jack McCoy yelling at that annoying guy from Rambo. Good episode!

Yeah that was epic! Of course I've seen that guy in two other things other than Rambo.

He was on 24 as former CTU Head "Ryan Chappelle" (aka that guy Jack had to shoot in the head in Season 3) and he's on Nurse Jackie for the last few years. He's awesome.

[jono_0101]

Originally Posted by Jwilly019

The re-runs will continue to air on TNT, but I haven't heard anything about new episodes moving to another channel. In fact, I heard that one of the reasons they decided not to renew the show was because TNT told NBC they wouldn't pick up any new seasons.

Justin

yeah, im pretty sure they wont be doing any new episodes, but the series is being replaced by law and order: los angeles, i knew this wasnt going to last much longer when jack mccoy became the district attorney

[My_Two_Cents]

I look at this story line from a different angle. Based on the very blatent left-leaning stories this show likes to portray, I see this as a way for them to "attempt" to show just how unfair the poor, poor teachers are being demonized and treated. Seriously, the whole rubber-room situation in NY is simply disgusting. You have some teachers that haven't taught in years, yet continue to pull-in $90K/year plus benefits because the corrupt teacher's unions will not allow them to be fired. Sure, there are probably cases like those described in the show, but they are by far the exceptions and not the norm. I saw a report on this not long ago, and the vast majority of these teachers should have been fired immediately and never be allowed to teach again.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by jono_0101

yeah, im pretty sure they wont be doing any new episodes, but the series is being replaced by law and order: los angeles, i knew this wasnt going to last much longer when jack mccoy became the district attorney

Yeah he was the last reason I had a mild interest and when he went upstairs I just couldn't take it anymore... I will say this up until Brisco left they were rotating good people all the time then it just stalled (IMOP )

[eric oc]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

I look at this story line from a different angle. Based on the very blatent left-leaning stories this show likes to portray, I see this as a way for them to "attempt" to show just how unfair the poor, poor teachers are being demonized and treated. Seriously, the whole rubber-room situation in NY is simply disgusting. You have some teachers that haven't taught in years, yet continue to pull-in $90K/year plus benefits because the corrupt teacher's unions will not allow them to be fired. Sure, there are probably cases like those described in the show, but they are by far the exceptions and not the norm. I saw a report on this not long ago, and the vast majority of these teachers should have been fired immediately and never be allowed to teach again.

+1. L&W needed to go with low ratings and continue the left leaning stories made it hard for me to stomach. Even SVU is getting hard to watch.

[detective392]

NBC Eyes ‘Law & Order’ Limited Series

Network sources caution that this is an idea that has been discussed from time to time, and a Law & Order limited series is not in active development at the moment. Still, there has been movement. I hear the network has been exploring the possibility of re-assembling the cast from the early years of the series. I hear several actors have been approached, including original cast members Chris Noth and Sam Waterston, who did not join the show until Season 5 but are the actors most closely associated with the Law & Order brand. I hear NBC is eyeing 10 new Law & Order episodes. The network had no comment.

alw&orderA new Law & Order installment may help the series get into the history books — albeit with an asterisk. The crime drama’s shocking May 2010 cancellation after 20 seasons came as it had tied Gunsmoke for the longest-running primetime drama series. A limited run could be counted as Season 21, breaking the tie. It also could provide a nice epilogue for one of NBC’s most important series of the last two decades after it didn’t get the send-off it deserved with that abrupt, eleventh-hour cancellation.

SEM actually decided to step away at the end of the 20th season before any decision made….

couldn’t be more excited. Waterston has to be part of it, as does Noth

It would be great to have them do maybe one huge case over a few episodes in…

That would also be a nice gesture to Law & Order creator Dick Wolf, for whom the legacy of the blockbuster franchise has been very important. He agadickwolfin is the most important drama producer for NBC — three from the five drama series given early renewal by the network yesterday are from Wolf Films: Law & Order spinoff SVU, which also has a shot at history with a Season 17 pickup, Chicago Fire, and its spinoff Chicago PD. Additionally, Wolf is working on further expanding the Chicago Fire franchise with a second spinoff, Chicago Med.

The currently very popular limited series genre lends itself well to bringing back beloved series. Fox did it successfully with 24 and is mulling a second limited series installment. Netflix did it with Arrested Development. NBC and Showtime are next with Heroes Reborn and Twin Peaks, respectively. Will Law & Order follow suit?

[detective392]

Been really hoping that NBC would do an ER limited series.

[iank]

Originally Posted by Groo The Perverted

This isn't another thread talking about the show being cancelled, but more just to give my thoughts on the finale.

Anyone else watch that and just feel so angry and frustrated at the storyline involving the "Rubber Room"?

My brother is a teacher and my mom's been an educator for years, and is now a Director of Education at a midwest university.

And watch this just reinforces why I would NEVER be a teacher. Not just the little pay or respect, but the fact that these kids can f*** your whole life up with a simple accusation. One thing taken out of context, or intentionally blown up into something it's not, and your life is gone.

Basically this is what happened.

[Show spoiler]The main case involved a blog that had these pictures of pipe bombs and whatnot, and a video showing one going off. They tracked that to another site that had a huge manifesto about essentially recreating a Columbine like situation.

So they're going around trying to find out who is behind this, and they discover this place called "the Rubber Room" where teachers who are under investigation over accusations of misconduct are sent to basically do crossword puzzles and whatnot. They can't be allowed to TEACH, so in order to still get paid and their pension they have to show up here and just ...be there.

Some have been there for years with no end in sight.

So while that was upsetting, HERE's the part that really just infuriated me.

One teacher was accused of calling a student stupid. What she said was that if he didn't learn his lessons, that people would think he was stupid, even if he wasn't stupid.

Her career is done. There were a bunch like that, but by far the worst was this teacher who was teaching class, and a kid asked to go to the bathroom. It was 10 minutes left in the class, and seeing as how the teachers get shit if their students are in the hallway during class, he asked the student to hold it and wait.

The student goes to the front of the class, and takes a leak in the trash can. The teacher steps in to stop him, and the kid goes to the principal or whoever and accused him of molestation! he was sent to the Rubber room to wait out the case, and it was thrown out by the board I guess, but he was still done. No one would hire him.

This just reinforces my belief that kids as a whole are just completely without morals and ethics and have no problem just completely ruining someone's life.

YES this is a show, but if you don't think this type of shit has happened you're delusional.

And not all kids are like that, but a lot are. And it's not "kids these days" because they were a-holes back when I was in school.

Knowing this, why would you EVER want to be a teacher and put yourself in that position of vulnerability where all a kid has to do is make an accusation like that, and even if they exonerate you, you're done.

I honestly fear for my brother having something like that happen. these kids know way too much as far as how to manipulate and the power of blanket accusations.

It's like these people who have wrongly been accused of sexual offenses or whatever. all it takes is an accusation. Even if you're acquitted, you're always going to be the guy who was accused of a sex offense.



EDIT: here's a NY Times article talking about the episode and the "Rubber Rooms". MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR THE FINALE IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ber-room/?_r=5

Welcome to the reality of the 21st century West for men.

[Agent Bond]

I hope this is true. After 2 decades, Law and Order deserves closure, not a kick in the teeth!