Onkyo, priced out of HD DVD, discontinues its HD805 HD DVD player - Blu-ray Forum

Zinn · 11-26-2007, 05:38 PM

Translation:

Onkyo DV-HD805, the phantom HD DVD

By: Gian Luca Di Felice

The first Onkyo HD DVD player has been available in Italy for a few days now, but it can already be considered as a collector's item, because there are very few units in existence, and Onkyo has stopped its production.

We were waiting for a unit of the first Onkyo HD DVD player, the DV-HD805, for review on the pages of AV Magazine. After a conversation with Tecnofuturo, the Brescia-based Italian distributor of the Japanese manufacturer, we decided in mutual agreement that it was not worth the trouble. The reasons are quickly explained: the DV-HD805 is no other than a rebranded Toshiba HD-XE1 HD DVD player, which is already compatible with streaming of all lossless multichannel HD codecs via HDMI 1.3, and there are only few units of it available.

In view of the new marketing policy being applied by Toshiba, consisting of sinking the price of its own players, Onkyo has difficulty in positioning its own player (the Europe list price is 899 euros) and has therefore decided to stop production. The scarce units produced have been redistributed in varios markets. It has been known that barely 11 units arrived in Italy, and no others will come. Germany has been more fortunate, with 20 units, and Spain will receive none.

As to why it was decided not to review such a product, apart from its being a clone, it won't be effectively be available on the market (the 11 Italian units are already sold). We thank Tecnofuturo for such a quick communication and we apologize to the enthusiasts. Onkyo is already working actively on a new player and according to tidbits it could be this time a Blu-ray player or a hybrid player. We'll have other news and more confirmation during the upcoming CES at Las Vegas.

Source: Avmagazine.it

BStecke · 11-26-2007, 05:40 PM

Ah, Toshiba's destruction of its own format begins.

JTK · 11-26-2007, 05:42 PM

I couldn't be less surprised.

If they'd brought that out as a decent combo player, it might have had half a decent chance at that price point, but barely.

An HD-DVD standalone at that price? Who was going to buy it? Certainly not most of your run of the mill DUD-er zealots who's motto is "It's cheaper so it's better/best."

Common sense prevails at Onkyo after all even though it should never have even gotten this far.

Bullseye · 11-26-2007, 05:44 PM

This is proof positive that Toshiba has burnt the bridge behind them on those firesales.

bajor27 · 11-26-2007, 05:45 PM

surprising how fast this happened, but not really a surprising outcome. As many have said before - no one can compete with Toshiba on standalone HD-DVD players because they are priced to sell for a considerable loss.

Keep up the good work Toshiba

Bullseye · 11-26-2007, 05:45 PM

Someone should post this over on AVS.

Esox50 · 11-26-2007, 05:46 PM

I'm holding out for the Meridian HD DVD unit priced at $X,000. Amir said "Bob Meridian" promised this was coming so it must be true.

LOL @ HD DVD.

This thing is going to be over quicker than we all thought after Paramount screwed us last August.

Sling · 11-26-2007, 05:47 PM

I really do feel sorry for the HD-DUD fan boys lol ......Thanks Toshiba

marzetta7 · 11-26-2007, 05:47 PM

I was just commenting on this. Looks like there's much truth to it.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5981

Sling · 11-26-2007, 05:53 PM

HD-DUD fanboys over at AVS dancing to there song staring Amir on the piano.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KlhhvfAhM4

Cyorg · 11-26-2007, 05:58 PM

This makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over.

BluOgre · 11-26-2007, 06:00 PM

11 units available? my lord.......

kaliraver · 11-26-2007, 06:00 PM

All I can say is Toshiba is wrapping the cord around their own necks and just killing themselves slowly.

Manco · 11-26-2007, 06:01 PM

Hmmm.... didn't I say some time ago....when everyone was clamoring for dirt cheap blu-ray players....that the price of HD-DVD will have to go UP while the price of Blu-ray will start to come DOWN. Yeah.... pretty sure I said that. Patience everyone....patience. (esp @LeoneFan

)

bferr1 · 11-26-2007, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Someone should post this over on AVS.

They have. Early spin is that this news, along with the XA2 going MIA on The Look and Sound of Perfect website, must mean an XA3 is coming soon!

mystiksuicide · 11-26-2007, 06:05 PM

Wow this is one massive blow to Toshiba and HD DVD. Seems boys like your on your own now!!

RUR · 11-26-2007, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bferr1

They have. Early spin is that this news, along with the XA2 going MIA on The Look and Sound of Perfect website, must mean an XA3 is coming soon!

Two words: cognitive dissonance.

JAGUAR1977 · 11-26-2007, 06:06 PM

It's quite sad how some HD-DVD fans believe a firesale is beneficial to their format, yet long term it's going to be so, so destructive.

Iron Man · 11-26-2007, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BStecke

Ah, Toshiba's destruction of its own format begins.

Exactly.....

This is bad news for HD-DVD and this is a good lesson for those people who thinks that the BDA should lower their prices.

elwaylite · 11-26-2007, 06:08 PM

Not very smart on Toshibas part, and makes BD look smarter for continuing to make a profit on their players.

Granted I picked up an A2 because of the big sale, BUT whos the uninformed gonna buy.

If you saw 5 manufacturers making LCD's and 1 making plasma, the uninformed most likely gonna go with the plasma.

11-26-2007, 05:38 PM	#1
Zinn Active Member Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Sweden	Onkyo, priced out of HD DVD, discontinues its HD805 HD DVD player Translation: Onkyo DV-HD805, the phantom HD DVD By: Gian Luca Di Felice The first Onkyo HD DVD player has been available in Italy for a few days now, but it can already be considered as a collector's item, because there are very few units in existence, and Onkyo has stopped its production. We were waiting for a unit of the first Onkyo HD DVD player, the DV-HD805, for review on the pages of AV Magazine. After a conversation with Tecnofuturo, the Brescia-based Italian distributor of the Japanese manufacturer, we decided in mutual agreement that it was not worth the trouble. The reasons are quickly explained: the DV-HD805 is no other than a rebranded Toshiba HD-XE1 HD DVD player, which is already compatible with streaming of all lossless multichannel HD codecs via HDMI 1.3, and there are only few units of it available. In view of the new marketing policy being applied by Toshiba, consisting of sinking the price of its own players, Onkyo has difficulty in positioning its own player (the Europe list price is 899 euros) and has therefore decided to stop production. The scarce units produced have been redistributed in varios markets. It has been known that barely 11 units arrived in Italy, and no others will come. Germany has been more fortunate, with 20 units, and Spain will receive none. As to why it was decided not to review such a product, apart from its being a clone, it won't be effectively be available on the market (the 11 Italian units are already sold). We thank Tecnofuturo for such a quick communication and we apologize to the enthusiasts. Onkyo is already working actively on a new player and according to tidbits it could be this time a Blu-ray player or a hybrid player. We'll have other news and more confirmation during the upcoming CES at Las Vegas. Source: Avmagazine.it

11-26-2007, 05:53 PM	#10
Sling Special Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Virginia Beach Blu-ray reviews:2	HD-DUD fanboys over at AVS dancing to there song staring Amir on the piano. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KlhhvfAhM4 Last edited by Sling; 11-26-2007 at 06:09 PM. Reason: Fix link

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BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	Ah, Toshiba's destruction of its own format begins.

11-26-2007, 05:42 PM	#3
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	I couldn't be less surprised. If they'd brought that out as a decent combo player, it might have had half a decent chance at that price point, but barely. An HD-DVD standalone at that price? Who was going to buy it? Certainly not most of your run of the mill DUD-er zealots who's motto is "It's cheaper so it's better/best." Common sense prevails at Onkyo after all even though it should never have even gotten this far.

11-26-2007, 05:44 PM	#4
Bullseye Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Ireland Home Theater Gallery:24 4K collection:70 Blu-ray collection:760 Blu-ray reviews: 44	This is proof positive that Toshiba has burnt the bridge behind them on those firesales.

11-26-2007, 05:45 PM	#5
bajor27 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:BC, Canada Blu-ray collection:1031 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:5	surprising how fast this happened, but not really a surprising outcome. As many have said before - no one can compete with Toshiba on standalone HD-DVD players because they are priced to sell for a considerable loss. Keep up the good work Toshiba

11-26-2007, 05:46 PM	#7
Esox50 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 4K collection:416 Blu-ray collection:488	I'm holding out for the Meridian HD DVD unit priced at $X,000. Amir said "Bob Meridian" promised this was coming so it must be true. LOL @ HD DVD. This thing is going to be over quicker than we all thought after Paramount screwed us last August.

11-26-2007, 05:47 PM	#8
Sling Special Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Virginia Beach Blu-ray reviews:2	I really do feel sorry for the HD-DUD fan boys lol ......Thanks Toshiba

11-26-2007, 05:47 PM	#9
marzetta7 Special Member Member since:Feb 2006	I was just commenting on this. Looks like there's much truth to it. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5981

11-26-2007, 05:58 PM	#11
Cyorg Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:San Antonio, TX. PSN ID: Cyorg Blu-ray collection:62 Blu-ray reviews:1	This makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over.

11-26-2007, 06:00 PM	#12
BluOgre Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007	11 units available? my lord.......

11-26-2007, 06:00 PM	#13
kaliraver Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Location:San Francisco Bay Blu-Ray SteelBooks™: (150+) Blu-ray collection:373 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:285	All I can say is Toshiba is wrapping the cord around their own necks and just killing themselves slowly.

11-26-2007, 06:01 PM	#14
Manco Special Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Tucumcari	Hmmm.... didn't I say some time ago....when everyone was clamoring for dirt cheap blu-ray players....that the price of HD-DVD will have to go UP while the price of Blu-ray will start to come DOWN. Yeah.... pretty sure I said that. Patience everyone....patience. (esp @LeoneFan )

11-26-2007, 06:05 PM	#16
mystiksuicide Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Miami Blu-ray collection:305 Blu-ray reviews:27	Wow this is one massive blow to Toshiba and HD DVD. Seems boys like your on your own now!!

11-26-2007, 06:06 PM	#18
JAGUAR1977 Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	It's quite sad how some HD-DVD fans believe a firesale is beneficial to their format, yet long term it's going to be so, so destructive.

11-26-2007, 06:08 PM	#20
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	Not very smart on Toshibas part, and makes BD look smarter for continuing to make a profit on their players. Granted I picked up an A2 because of the big sale, BUT whos the uninformed gonna buy. If you saw 5 manufacturers making LCD's and 1 making plasma, the uninformed most likely gonna go with the plasma.

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