Going back to DVD?

[eledoremassis02]

For some films I think I may just stick with DVD for now (for older titles). The push for grain removal is a big reason for me and I like the artifacts and such.

The Breakfast Club DVD looks pretty good, but I dont have much of a want to upgrade.

What about others on here?

[wasim h]

i love watching old Black and white Movies on DVD

I feel like im watching them the way as they should be

i didn't buy any Hitchcock movie on Bluray yet .. Happy with my DVD Collection

[eledoremassis02]

Thats one reason why I got the 66 Batman on DVD. I also do the same as well for black and white films.

When I saw Back to the Future using the original theater reels it looked so much like a VHS/DVD it wasnt even funny. That puts on a whole other experience.

New movies are bluray all the way unless the DVD is way cheaper

[Ggould1975]

I agree with you on older movies, i still have Wizard Of Oz on dvd, blu as well. Breakfast Club just had it's 30th anniversary blu which looked a little better. DVD selection for older movies anyways have wayyyyy more titles than blu. I agree as well i would rather watch the film as it was made.

[Ggould1975]

speaking of older films the DVD for Agatha Christie's And Then There Were None 1945 the dvd looks way better than the crappy vci one they put out on blu.

[Torgon]

Originally Posted by wasim h

i love watching old Black and white Movies on DVD

I feel like im watching them the way as they should be

i didn't buy any Hitchcock movie on Bluray yet .. Happy with my DVD Collection

Not sure I really agree with that statement. They weren't meant to look like crap. That was the technology back then and it was limited. I'm sure the director's of those old flicks would love to have had their movies look like digital movies or blu-rays today. I understand what you are trying to say (not just you, but others as well), but I think it's better to see how the movie SHOULD have looked (not counting lighting or anything like that, but in general). People always talk about 'grain' in movies. I'm sure there are very few movies when the director asked for 'more grain'. Yes it was there because of technology and we all have seen it that way for years, so to change it or remove it seems unnatural. I think movies (even old ones) should look the best they can. If cleaning them up makes them better, then that's what I would like to see (without destroying the director's original intent). A nice example is 'It's a Wonderful Life'. In the background of one seen there is an old painting on the wall, but you can't really see it. It is way too dark (I'm sure the director wanted it to stay in the dark at the theater as well). In the restoration (on Blu-ray and DVD), they lightened the film and various other tweaks and now you can see it clearly (I believe it's Abe Lincoln). I'm sure the director would have preferred to see it when shown at the theater; if not, why have it in the scene? When you watch a DVD or Blu-ray that has been restored, you are probably watching as close to the director's vision. There is no grain, when sitting in the director's chair, only through the lens (yes, I know some of it can be for artistic purposes). Just my opinion, not bashing you. I was just using your comment as a springboard for my opinion, lol.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by eledoremassis02

The push for grain removal is a big reason for me and I like the artifacts and such.

If you want grain you're better off sticking to Blu-ray releases, they have the best representation of film available. What you see on DVD isn't necessarily grain, it's digital artefacts, noise and compression. DVDs just don't have the resolution to accurately represent film as it was shot. Sure there are some great DVDs out there, and a few are still better than the Blu-rays (relatively speaking) but if you want the most authentic movie experience outside a theatre buy Blus.

The Blu-ray releases where they've scrubbed the detail away, with the grain, should be avoided ... by everyone!

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by wasim h

i love watching old Black and white Movies on DVD

I feel like im watching them the way as they should be

i didn't buy any Hitchcock movie on Bluray yet .. Happy with my DVD Collection

I feel the exact opposite about B&W movies. Especially on a 4K tv I've noticed that B&W blu-rays upscale noticeably better than full color movies.

You have to remember, these old movies were shot on film, and B&W film is MUCH better than color film with regards to noise and resolution. B&W film is able to use lower ISO speeds which results in a sharper and better image.

I have no doubt that if you could watch B&W movies in a theater 50 years ago the image on the screen would have been much closer to what you get today on a blu ray than on a DVD.

I had an opportunity to see Elevator to the Gallows in original 35mm in a theater a few years ago and it looked INCREDIBLE.

[eledoremassis02]

Originally Posted by chip75

If you want grain you're better off sticking to Blu-ray releases, they have the best representation of film available. What you see on DVD isn't necessarily grain, it's digital artefacts, noise and compression. DVDs just don't have the resolution to accurately represent film as it was shot. Sure there are some great DVDs out there, and a few are still better than the Blu-rays (relatively speaking) but if you want the most authentic movie experience outside a theatre buy Blus.

The Blu-ray releases where they've scrubbed the detail away, with the grain, should be avoided ... by everyone!

That is true. There are some older films that look great on Bluray. I just pre-ordered the new Escape from NY bluray hopping it has better contrast levels compared to it's DVD and Bluray counterparts

Breakfast club seems to look relatively the same on any release but for me the DVD still looks great. But sometimes they mess around too much with grain removal and what not or they're horrible upscales (Uncle Buck). I just watched IT DVD on my HD TV and that looked pretty good

[Ggould1975]

Yes, Uncle Buck looks great on bluray, at least to me it did. Breakfast Club you are right, i had upgraded to the 30th anniversary and it looks alright, but yes the dvd version doesnt look much of a upgrade to blu. European Vacation and Christmas Vacation i have and are not that much of a upgrade either and i have them on blu

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by wasim h

i love watching old Black and white Movies on DVD

I feel like im watching them the way as they should be

i didn't buy any Hitchcock movie on Bluray yet .. Happy with my DVD Collection

The way they should be, if you want to get technical, is projected in the theater.

But 35mm film, even back in 1940, still has the quality and resolution of 4K. So watching a DVD is nowhere near they way they should be.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

The way they should be, if you want to get technical, is projected in the theater.

But 35mm film, even back in 1940, still has the quality and resolution of 4K. So watching a DVD is nowhere near they way they should be.

exactly, and once you've seen an old B&W film projected from 35mm in a theater, you'll realize just how bad dvds are

[Midnight Rambler]

Originally Posted by eledoremassis02

Thats one reason why I got the 66 Batman on DVD. I also do the same as well for black and white films.

With all due respect, you made a HUGE mistake going with Batman '66 on DVD instead of Blu-ray. The difference is staggering.

Originally Posted by spectre08

I feel the exact opposite about B&W movies. Especially on a 4K tv I've noticed that B&W blu-rays upscale noticeably better than full color movies.

You have to remember, these old movies were shot on film, and B&W film is MUCH better than color film with regards to noise and resolution. B&W film is able to use lower ISO speeds which results in a sharper and better image.

AMEN ! A good example on Blu-ray is The Hustler, it looks magnificent in HD B&W.

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by spectre08

exactly, and once you've seen an old B&W film projected from 35mm in a theater, you'll realize just how bad dvds are

Man, this thread is NUTS!!!! I would never want to go back to DVD resolution, EVER!!!!!! Older films look great on blu, especially B&W films. Regarding The Breakfast Club, well it's time to get some calibration work on some displays corrected. Not only does the 30th anniversary pound the crap out of its DVD counterpart, it also easily surpasses the 25th anniversary in color and fine detail. Not to mention that grain is better resolved and there's an uptick in sharpness as well without being artificially enhanced electronically!!

[spectre08]

unless a film was originally shot on like 8mm or with an analogue handycam (blair witch project maybe?) there's no reason at all to think that VHS or a DVD is a "truer" viewing experience

this is for movies only. obviously many tv shows were created, framed, and mastered for old CRT televisions. In those cases that argument MIGHT be made for inferior media.

[TCsabres006]

One of my friends sold most of his DVD collection to upgrade to bluray a couple years ago. Recently, he got rid of his blurays to go back to DVD. I asked him why on earth he would do that. He said it was mostly for nostalgic purposes. For example having a Special Edition or special cover (lenticular, etc) for a certain movie. Or they made a 2 pack or 3 pack of movies that they only sell separately on bluray. He said having them reminded him of having it/watching it when he was a kid (he's only 33). He also said some of the movies have special features that are no longer on bluray discs.

I can see where he's coming from, but I would never sell my collection of blurays to downgrade back to DVD. I would just buy the special edition DVD's that I really wanted.

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by TCsabres006

One of my friends sold most of his DVD collection to upgrade to bluray a couple years ago. Recently, he got rid of his blurays to go back to DVD. I asked him why on earth he would do that. He said it was mostly for nostalgic purposes. For example having a Special Edition or special cover (lenticular, etc) for a certain movie. Or they made a 2 pack or 3 pack of movies that they only sell separately on bluray. He said having them reminded him of having it/watching it when he was a kid (he's only 33). He also said some of the movies have special features that are no longer on bluray discs.

I can see where he's coming from, but I would never sell my collection of blurays to downgrade back to DVD. I would just buy the special edition DVD's that I really wanted.

Same. His only argument that I agree with is the bonus features. I've been selling off movies that I have multiples of (like, the original DVD of The Muppet Movie, the Kermit's 50th Anniversary Edition, AND the Blu-ray) but the only thing I won't sell is one that has bonus features that the other doesn't. So in the case of The Muppet Movie, I will sell the Kermit 50th version, since all the features from that were ported to the Blu-ray, but I'll keep the original DVD for the Muppetisms.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by TCsabres006

One of my friends sold most of his DVD collection to upgrade to bluray a couple years ago. Recently, he got rid of his blurays to go back to DVD. I asked him why on earth he would do that. He said it was mostly for nostalgic purposes. For example having a Special Edition or special cover (lenticular, etc) for a certain movie. Or they made a 2 pack or 3 pack of movies that they only sell separately on bluray. He said having them reminded him of having it/watching it when he was a kid (he's only 33). He also said some of the movies have special features that are no longer on bluray discs.

I can see where he's coming from, but I would never sell my collection of blurays to downgrade back to DVD. I would just buy the special edition DVD's that I really wanted.

I always found it odd when people were selling off their entire DVD collection in anticipation of everything being released on Blu-Ray. You never know for sure if every title will get released, if all extra will carrey over, etc. So much content has never made it over and possibly never will.

For the most part I don't get rid of old DVDs, even when upgrading to Blu-Ray. The only exceptions were a couple of instances where my wife and I had two identical copies of the same DVD because we separately had them before we were married, and I ended up trading some in at Best Buy when they had their upgrade and save promo.

That said, I can fully understand someone getting rid of a DVD copy after getting the Blu-Ray version, or at least if they know that the Blu-Ray is in fact coming out and will have any extras that they care about.


But even crazier to me is the idea of THEN getting rid of the Blu-Rays to get the DVDs back. I understand maybe reaquiring ones that you really carred about in terms of extras or even packaging, but to ditch the Blu-Ray entirely is just mind boggling.


But to each their own, I guess.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by TCsabres006

One of my friends sold most of his DVD collection to upgrade to bluray a couple years ago. Recently, he got rid of his blurays to go back to DVD. I asked him why on earth he would do that. He said it was mostly for nostalgic purposes.

So your friend is going to sell his blu-rays, and rebuy all the DVDs that he got rid of (which he should have kept in the first place). Well that was a waste of time and money!

[Eny-]

Everyone's on crazy pills or something?