GB Announcement Thread: Snow White w/ Red Hair AlltheAnime UK Exclusive

[IdeaOfEvil]

GB IS CLOSED

Upcoming Group Buys:

2/3 - 2/17
Snow White with Red Hair, Season 1&2 Exclusive AllTheAnime UK set

Group Buy Link = https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...8#post16044638

https://www.alltheanime.com/collecti...-and-2-blu-ray

The current price = £49.99 (as of this post, it = $65.61 US)
International Shipping is an additional £25.00 (as of this post, it = $32.81 US) - this will be divided by the amount of group buy users
Domestic shipping via USPS Media Mail = $5.00 (includes packing material costs)

Interested Buyers:
IdeaOfEvil (not paid)
zenpai (not paid)
lunamaria87 (not paid)
kevers7290 (not paid)
BluexBlur (not paid)
Gouki (not paid)


Rules: (ongoing discussion - all ideas are welcomed)

The idea of a group buy is for interested parties to pay the full price of the item and split the shipping cost evenly.

Cash absolutely needs to be sent to the orderer/GB controller before the order is created. CC payments, IOU's, or trades are not accepted. Paypal only?

Paypal fees apply and needs to be covered by each interested buyer

An additional $5 for USPS Media Mail must be added to each payment for shipping costs once the item arrives to the orderer and re-mailed back out to the buyer.

Members with 10 or less trading scores can not control the orders (be the orderer), but they can be part of the buyers group

Damage to any item is out of the orderer's control. The orderer will/can/should randomize who receives what copy. If the buyer(s) that receive a damaged copy is unhappy, then what?

Defects (discs won't play, contents are missing, etc) will have to be worked out through the webstore, the orderer, and the buyer on a one-on-one basis. The orderer is responsible to get you a complete/working item. The orderer is not responsible for you being happy with the item itself.

Interested buyers will be separated from actual buyers. There will be a two week collection period to allow interested buyers to come up with funds for their purchase. As soon as you can pay, PAY. There is a difference between what the final price might be with interested buyers versus what the final price is with the people that have actually paid. Buyers should not look at a list of other interested buyers and calculate the final cost of the item in case people back out, miss the two week deadline to pay, and/or have an emergency.

The orderer is required to take a screen shot of the order confirmation and post it in the GB thread for all to see.

[zenpai]

Will you be hosting the GB? If not, I would be more than happy to take care of the Group Buy if there are no objections. I have more than enough feedback both on here and on eBay. I’m also great with numbers and money. (I was in charge of dividing and collecting rent fairly and evenly between 4 people in a 3 bedroom apartment for a full year of actual hell. I also work at a bank dealing with money directly.)

As of this moment (but subject to change at any given time)*:

£49.99 = ~$65.72
£25 shipping = ~$32.88
Assuming there are 10 of us who will participate, this is roughly $3.29 per person.
Media Mail shipping (2lb - 2lb 15oz) = $3.79
PayPal Fees for $72.80 = $2.48
TOTAL (currently estimated) = $75.28 PER PERSON

*based on exchange rate of 1 GBP = 1.3143 USD provided by x-rates.com. (Banks and PayPal alike charge based on at least a four decimal point rate, sometimes 5 or 6.)

We need to have a set purchase date in place so that we all know exactly when this order is being placed and when to expect an order confirmation to be posted (like a screenshot of the full payment/order receipt in our email inbox).

I think the best day to put in the order is Sunday, February 17. By then, everyone should have received a paycheck and will be able to contribute their allotted amount of money to the purchaser. Payment should be sent 1-3 days before the purchase. We don’t want to send it too soon either, as then it is just a balance that we have to keep track of and keep in our account for longer, which is not preferrable IMO.

Also, if anyone wants the purchaser to buy something else from All The Anime in addition to or instead of the Snow White set, it should be allowed. Additional money for the additional item(s) plus additional domestic shipping charges and PayPal fees would be added to that person’s total and paid for at the same time. Obviously this would be discussed on a one-on-one basis between purchaser and the person in question.

[IdeaOfEvil]

Originally Posted by zenpai

Will you be hosting the GB? If not, I would be more than happy to take care of the Group Buy if there are no objections. I have more than enough feedback both on here and on eBay. I’m also great with numbers and money. (I was in charge of dividing and collecting rent fairly and evenly between 4 people in a 3 bedroom apartment for a full year of actual hell. I also work at a bank dealing with money directly.)

It doesn't matter to me who does it. It just looked like no one was gonna move the talk to its own thread from the Haul thread =)

As far as you doing it, or me, or someone else, my thought is just who's in a location that a shipment from the UK is going to get to quicker? I live 10 miles away from San Francisco, so is that a major mailing hub that would get it faster even though you're in Utah? But other than location and speed of mail, I'm fine with whomever =)

Originally Posted by zenpai

As of this moment (but subject to change at any given time)*:

£49.99 = ~$65.72
£25 shipping = ~$32.88
Assuming there are 10 of us who will participate, this is roughly $3.29 per person.
Media Mail shipping (2lb - 2lb 15oz) = $3.79
PayPal Fees for $72.80 = $2.48
TOTAL (currently estimated) = $75.28 PER PERSON

*based on exchange rate of 1 GBP = 1.3143 USD provided by x-rates.com. (Banks and PayPal alike charge based on at least a four decimal point rate, sometimes 5 or 6.)

I don't want to nickel and dime people, but I also don't want to nickel and dime the orderer. Making it a $5 flat fee for USPS Media Mail will provide the extra funds to buy another box and packing material when they have to re-mail it out (assuming 10 people order, that'll be an extra $12.21 collected from the Media Mail fee which will go to buying ten $0.69 boxes and a $5 roll of bubble wrap from Walmart, for instance).

Originally Posted by zenpai

We need to have a set purchase date in place so that we all know exactly when this order is being placed and when to expect an order confirmation to be posted (like a screenshot of the full payment/order receipt in our email inbox).

Absolutely. And the orderer should post up a proof of order image once they've done so. Good idea, I'll put it in the OP =)

Originally Posted by zenpai

I think the best day to put in the order is Sunday, February 17. By then, everyone should have received a paycheck and will be able to contribute their allotted amount of money to the purchaser. Payment should be sent 1-3 days before the purchase. We don’t want to send it too soon either, as then it is just a balance that we have to keep track of and keep in our account for longer, which is not preferrable IMO.

I didn't want to put a specific date yet just because we need to figure out if mods and the anime posters here were all okay with this. And I'd rather a date be set once the rules and regulations are all determined.

As far as collecting the money goes, I think the orderer needs to be comfortable holding on to all the payments as they come. If there are five people interested, but then three back out at the last minute for whatever reason, then the two people left aren't really saving much on shipping, and then the whole GB is kinda pointless. Maybe my idea is more of a marketing strategy, but I think if someone sees that there's already a set amount of people committed then they'll be more willing to come aboard with the order rather than there being a bunch of people only interested with no one having definitely chipped in.

But I'm willing to hear any and all other sides to this, cuz I have no idea what the best course of action is =)

Originally Posted by zenpai

Also, if anyone wants the purchaser to buy something else from All The Anime in addition to or instead of the Snow White set, it should be allowed. Additional money for the additional item(s) plus additional domestic shipping charges and PayPal fees would be added to that person’s total and paid for at the same time. Obviously this would be discussed on a one-on-one basis between purchaser and the person in question.

For now, just because this is so new, I think we should just stick to Snow White on this order. Who knows what all could go wrong on anyone's end, and I think what you're saying is fine for future orders. But for now let's get everyone comfortable with trying this out for the first time =) Because if someone were going to add on to the order, then I would argue a person only buying one item should only have to pay for one item's worth of shipping versus someone who might have five. And then if an order get's damaged, or the rest of the order has to wait because one added on item is delaying the shipment, it just gets messy this early on. But that's another discussion for another day =)

[zenpai]

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

As far as you doing it, or me, or someone else, my thought is just who's in a location that a shipment from the UK is going to get to quicker? I live 10 miles away from San Francisco, so is that a major mailing hub that would get it faster even though you're in Utah? But other than location and speed of mail, I'm fine with whomever =)

Technically yes, those who live in California will get any overseas package the quickest, unless there is a different major mailing hub on the East Coast. But the time difference is literally 2-3 days max, so I would not say that it’s an issue. I would rather get my package 2 days later by someone I know who has a lot of positive experience with selling and shipping items and therefore don’t have worries about, versus getting my package 2 days sooner by a less experienced person who I worry about how well it’s packaged etc. But I guess that’s just me.

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

I don't want to nickel and dime people, but I also don't want to nickel and dime the orderer. Making it a $5 flat fee for USPS Media Mail will provide the extra funds to buy another box and packing material when they have to re-mail it out (assuming 10 people order, that'll be an extra $12.21 collected from the Media Mail fee which will go to buying ten $0.69 boxes and a $5 roll of bubble wrap from Walmart, for instance).

If I were to do it I would say then $4 should be more than enough. Honestly I’m already overestimating the weight of the set, and therefore the price, not to mention I have a ton of bubble wrap and boxes already on hand, so it’s not going to cost me any extra personally to send out even 10 packages.

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

I didn't want to put a specific date yet just because we need to figure out if mods and the anime posters here were all okay with this. And I'd rather a date be set once the rules and regulations are all determined.

Mods get in here ASAP please so we can either scrap this venture or get the ball rolling.

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

As far as collecting the money goes, I think the orderer needs to be comfortable holding on to all the payments as they come. If there are five people interested, but then three back out at the last minute for whatever reason, then the two people left aren't really saving much on shipping, and then the whole GB is kinda pointless. Maybe my idea is more of a marketing strategy, but I think if someone sees that there's already a set amount of people committed then they'll be more willing to come aboard with the order rather than there being a bunch of people only interested with no one having definitely chipped in.

You do have a fair point with regards to people backing out last minute. However, I would still tell others to send payment 3-5 days before the order date at the soonest. If we do end up having 10 people participate, that’s around $600+ the orderer has to keep on hand in their PayPal account. I wouldnt want to have to keep it in check for 1-2 weeks.

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

For now, just because this is so new, I think we should just stick to Snow White on this order. Who knows what all could go wrong on anyone's end, and I think what you're saying is fine for future orders. But for now let's get everyone comfortable with trying this out for the first time =) Because if someone were going to add on to the order, then I would argue a person only buying one item should only have to pay for one item's worth of shipping versus someone who might have five. And then if an order get's damaged, or the rest of the order has to wait because one added on item is delaying the shipment, it just gets messy this early on. But that's another discussion for another day =)

When I mentioned adding in additional products, I was implying:

• no more than 3 items total per person
• no pre-orders or temporarily out of stock items
• In Stock items ONLY.
• If anyone would be interested in adding on anything, then shipping would be divided by number of items instead of what is essentially the number of people ordering.

There have already been group buys here from what I’ve heard, so people should already know what they are getting into, not to mention between the two of us we have already basically detailed out how it works.
Additionally, in regards to damage, if it does occur I think it would only be fair to post the quantity that got damaged and what said damage is, and ask for volunteers to wait on getting theirs while the orderer gets in touch with All The Anime about what to do going forward. (Refund? Ship back and resend? Keep original and resend?) Although the chances of damage in the first place is highly unlikely anyway.

[LordCrumb]

Will still need to be done in the correct area.

[IdeaOfEvil]

Originally Posted by LordCrumb

Will still need to be done in the correct area.

First, this is just a discussion, so it shouldn't be on the GB forum imo.

Second, the point of doing it on the Anime boards was because there's a BST thread that is specifically for the anime posters so we all didn't have to search for "anime discs" in a majority "movie collection" sub-forum.

This should honestly be moved back especially since a lot of people in the Haul thread wanted to talk about this subject

[lunamaria87]

I think this is a great idea. You can count me in on the group buy. Ive had my eye on this set for a while. I am looking forward to see where this goes and how many join.
I love how organized this discussion is. Everything is put out there and set up very well.

[Naiera]

Possible GameBoy.

[IdeaOfEvil]

Since LordCrumb wanted to move this to the GB sub-forum, what can we do to notify anime posters in this forum about future GB's?

Should we make announcements in the BST thread, or create a general GB talking thread (like this one) and make posts in there? Or should we make individual GB threads for each (potential) title individually?

[zenpai]

I would say we should make a General Anime Group Buy Discussion thread and every time there is a potential GB, then we discuss it directly; if people are on board the host/orderer would then make a delegated post in the Anime BST thread for that particular GB. That way we can guage interest in the Discussion thread, and if it ends up being desirable it can be executed in the BST thread.

[IdeaOfEvil]

The thing is LordCrumb moved this thread to the regular Group Buy sub-forum last night. I had to ask to get it moved back here just for discussion's sake. So I doubt even putting this in the BST is gonna be allowed. And that's cool, we can make Group Buy threads in the group buy sub-forum. But we should have a dedicated thread (or a thread dedicated to) talking about new and old GB's in the anime sub-forum. Right?

[zenpai]

My impression is that putting actual GBs in the Anime BST thread was okay, we just are not allowed to make any new threads here for actual GBs that are taking place, but you can definitely PM neoz and/or LordCrumb just to check. Technically, if we had to set up an Anime GB thread in the GB sub-forum, people who are interested would know of its existence from the Anime GB Discussion thread here, and could always subscribe to that thread to keep track of updates in regards to ongoing GBs. It would be preferable to keep all anime ventures to the anime sub-forum, but not impossible to work around if that ends up not being okay per forum rules.

[LordCrumb]

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

Since LordCrumb wanted to move this to the GB sub-forum, what can we do to notify anime posters in this forum about future GB's?

Should we make announcements in the BST thread, or create a general GB talking thread (like this one) and make posts in there? Or should we make individual GB threads for each (potential) title individually?

It's already been moved back, so carry on

[IdeaOfEvil]

Originally Posted by LordCrumb

It's already been moved back, so carry on

Cool!

So maybe we should just make this the GB thread now. Just rename it 'GB Announcement Thread' and this will be where we start GB's and link to them in the GB sub-forum.

If everyone's all good, then how about Sunday we post the Snow White thread and start getting names, and then we'll set the end date/order date for the 17th?

[Patient-X]

This may be of interest for your group buy re shipping. I've weighed my Snow White set and it weighs 357 grams or 12.6 ounces.

[Hek_qwerr]

so what’s the total for the groupbuy?

[zenpai]

Originally Posted by Hek_qwerr

so what’s the total for the groupbuy?

We can only estimate until we know how many are participating. See the second post in this thread for an estimate.

[kevers7290]

Count me in.

[BluexBlur]

Why not, count me in. I'm planning on getting the JP boxset, but I like the show enough to get this too. Won't be swapping discs though, I like keeping my releases separate.

[Gouki]

Me too!