Dan Ramer from dvdfile.com calls out HD-DVD petition site.

[MerrickG]

http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?opt...k=view&id=6422

This was Dan Ramers quoute:

"I spotted an ad for an HD DVD petition website and I clicked through to check it out. The nature of the site is to persuade visitors to pressure BD-exclusive studios to issue their content on the HD DVD format. There is a solicitation for signatures on a related petition. To motivate potential signatories, the site would have readers believe that HD DVD is superior to Blu-ray Disc, but it attempts to persuade with a deceitful and devious tactic. Some of my high definition disc reviews and others written by fellow reviewers and editors around the Web are generously quoted in two sections: one for HD DVD and one for Blu-ray Disc. But the site handpicked comments about the best HD DVDs and the worst BDs. This dishonest tactic of comparing the best with the worst naturally would lead unknowledgeable readers to the inevitable and erroneous conclusion that HD DVD’s presentation is better than BD’s.


In my column More Of What We've Learned So Far of October 19th, I compared all HD DVDs with all BDs and I compared the best HD DVDs with the best BDs. My unavoidable conclusion is that BD provides a better presentation than HD DVD. And I again suggested that BD’s higher bit rate, made possible by its greater storage capacity, was responsible. "


Sounds to me like rdjam is getting called out.

[DealsR4theDevil]

Originally Posted by merrick97

http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?opt...k=view&id=6422

I spotted an ad for an HD DVD petition website and I clicked through to check it out. The nature of the site is to persuade visitors to pressure BD-exclusive studios to issue their content on the HD DVD format. There is a solicitation for signatures on a related petition. To motivate potential signatories, the site would have readers believe that HD DVD is superior to Blu-ray Disc, but it attempts to persuade with a deceitful and devious tactic. Some of my high definition disc reviews and others written by fellow reviewers and editors around the Web are generously quoted in two sections: one for HD DVD and one for Blu-ray Disc. But the site handpicked comments about the best HD DVDs and the worst BDs. This dishonest tactic of comparing the best with the worst naturally would lead unknowledgeable readers to the inevitable and erroneous conclusion that HD DVD’s presentation is better than BD’s.


In my column More Of What We've Learned So Far of October 19th, I compared all HD DVDs with all BDs and I compared the best HD DVDs with the best BDs. My unavoidable conclusion is that BD provides a better presentation than HD DVD. And I again suggested that BD’s higher bit rate, made possible by its greater storage capacity, was responsible. "


Sounds to me like rdjam is getting called out.

It truly is beyond me why anyone would want the inferior format to win.....other than those who foolishly invested in it. But making up lies to persuade people over to the losing side is just plain stubborn and malicious. I would never try to persuade anyone to spend their hard earned money on something that has barely any chance of survival. If I worked at Best Buy and I was selling a Blu-ray player, I would still mention the format war and explain the risk/choice my customer is making with the purchase. I would never lie to sell a Blu-ray player, not even if Blu-ray was in HD DVDs shoes.

[jcdDigix]

Ha ha ha!!! Poor hdduds!
The gap to anihilation is closing on them.

[Richard Paul]

I once made a thread which commented on that website several months ago at AVS Forum, which of course got locked after being swarmed by HD DVD supporters who obviously did not want the deceptions of that website to be known. The hdnowonline website, also called campaignhd, is by far the worst propaganda website I know of in this format war.

[SlapnutsGT]

Originally Posted by merrick97

http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?opt...k=view&id=6422

This was Dan Ramers quoute:

"I spotted an ad for an HD DVD petition website and I clicked through to check it out. The nature of the site is to persuade visitors to pressure BD-exclusive studios to issue their content on the HD DVD format. There is a solicitation for signatures on a related petition. To motivate potential signatories, the site would have readers believe that HD DVD is superior to Blu-ray Disc, but it attempts to persuade with a deceitful and devious tactic. Some of my high definition disc reviews and others written by fellow reviewers and editors around the Web are generously quoted in two sections: one for HD DVD and one for Blu-ray Disc. But the site handpicked comments about the best HD DVDs and the worst BDs. This dishonest tactic of comparing the best with the worst naturally would lead unknowledgeable readers to the inevitable and erroneous conclusion that HD DVD’s presentation is better than BD’s.


In my column More Of What We've Learned So Far of October 19th, I compared all HD DVDs with all BDs and I compared the best HD DVDs with the best BDs. My unavoidable conclusion is that BD provides a better presentation than HD DVD. And I again suggested that BD’s higher bit rate, made possible by its greater storage capacity, was responsible. "


Sounds to me like rdjam is getting called out.

I read the first line and knew exactly what website he was talking about ...

[krinkle]

rdjam is scum

want to know how i really feel?

[DealsR4theDevil]

Why wouldn't respectable sites or even news networks call out all this misinformation. It's down right deceitful.

[JadedRaverLA]

For a second, I thought someone was mad at my HD DVD petition:

http://jadedraverla.blogspot.com/200...-petition.html

Everyone sign my HD DVD petition, and email it to all the BD-supporting companies with your signature:

We, the undersigned HD DVD zealots demand that your consumer electronics company, movie studio, or stores support our format of choice for the following reasons:

1) We purchased HD DVD players, knowing full well that your company supported the rival format, on the natural assumption that our single purchase would immediately cause your multinational corporation to rethink its long-term business strategy to agree with our decision,

2) We are the customers, and customers are always right. Now, we don't buy your company's products or shop at your stores, and we spend every waking moment trashing your company on online message boards, but we still feel we have the right to demand action of you, without any promise that we would ever purchase your products in the future,

and

3) We believe that it is far more important for you to agree with our political agenda than for your company to make any money, or for this HD format "war" to end so that consumers may buy the rival format in confidence. Really, we want both formats to fail so that HD downloads can take over, which you company will make no money from, but Microsoft (the undeniably greatest corporation to ever rule the world) would profit nicely from. Hopefully, this will allow them to continue fixing all my defective XBox 360's that seem to break on a monthly basis.

Now, you have sided with "the other side" in this battle, so let us explain what is wrong with your logic:

1) High definition video should not require more space than an mp3. We have it on good authority that Microsoft is developing an improved VC-1 codec that will allow 300 hours of 1080p video to fit on a floppy disc. All this nonsense about bitrate and storage capacity is just FUD spouted by those who actually want HD optical discs to succeed. As we already stated, we do not, and 50GB is far too much to download... which is what we really want to do.

2) Sales don't matter. Sure, your internal research might show that Blu-ray disc sales are over twice that of HD DVD sales, and thus you may feel comfortable in your position. But see, according to our own made up research, all you should really care about are "attach rates," something that you always forget to mention in all of your investor reports and market analysis. The perfectly logical reason for this is that you will have far fewer customers, but they might buy more. This would allow you to close stores and fire employees as you would only need to have stores around those few people who are buying the discs. See. Less sales, but less overhead as well! Sure, it may not make sense to your accountants, but seriously... we've decided this matters. Also, in order to calculate the attach rate, please count every PS3 that has been produced worldwide as a BD player, and compare that the number of BD sales in the US. See how outrageously low that attach rate is... and it's all because the PS3 is a Blu-ray disc player.

3) Which brings us to... the PS3 is NOT a Blu-ray disc player, and the other side needs to stop claiming it as one. We certainly don't and never would (except when calculating point 2... then they all count... even if they're made for other parts of the world).

4) Price of players is the only thing that matters. And the price of discs doesn't matter at all. This certainly goes without saying, but cheap Chinese players available in various cool lead-based colors will undoubtedly win the "war" for HD DVD. Toshiba has dropped prices an unprecedented number of times... and look how well it's worked! (Again, look at our claimed attach rate, not the actual sales.) We're right around the corner from the onslaught. That's why we feel so confident that we're starting this position to demand your support.

So, for all of these reasons, we demand that your company support our format. If you don't we will continue trashing your company online. If you do we promise to love you until all the HD DVD combo discs fail to play in your player (which they will fail... they've shown that), and then we'll go back to hating you. But, hey, it could be a nice couple of months.

Signed:

__HD DVD Zealot #1____________________________________

[DealsR4theDevil]

Originally Posted by JadedRaverLA

For a second, I thought someone was mad at my HD DVD petition:

http://jadedraverla.blogspot.com/200...-petition.html

+1

[fomoco04]

JadedRaverLA, very, very, well done. Especially uncovering the duel life of those crafty PS3's.

[Swede]

1) High definition video should not require more space than an mp3. We have it on good authority that Microsoft is developing an improved VC-1 codec that will allow 300 hours of 1080p video to fit on a floppy disc. All this nonsense about bitrate and storage capacity is just FUD spouted by those who actually want HD optical discs to succeed. As we already stated, we do not, and 50GB is far too much to download... which is what we really want to do.

Hilarious!! and SO dead on

[DaViD Boulet]

Dan Ramer is one of the most level-headed, informed, and insightful discussion agents out there on the format war right now.

Did you guys read his article a short while back about the image quality differences between HD DVD and BD?

[atomik kinder]

The closer the format is to dying the harder the most outspoken supporters are going to fight, spreading FUD every chance they can get.

[ikbradley]

Petitions are a colossal waste of time. Any studio would pretty much relegate such documents to the recycling bin.

The only thing that will save HD DVD is a gigantic MS bribe or the 360 gets an internal.

If people wanted to make a difference, a well-written penned letter would be much more effective.

Even more so would be to purchase stocks and attend shareholder meetings to voice concerns.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by ikbradley

Petitions are a colossal waste of time. Any studio would pretty much relegate such documents to the recycling bin.

I doubt the petition is anything more than an excuse for that site.

Gary

[ehorrell]

Oh my. Those sites is so full of crap its unbelievable. There are so many blatant lies that I find it hard to believe it is not somehow supported by someone with a true monetary stake in HD DVD. I can't imagine its simply an overzealous fan...

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

Why wouldn't respectable sites or even news networks call out all this misinformation. It's down right deceitful.

I don't think anyone wants more attention brought to it. You notice how Dan Ramer doesn't actually mention the site URL? As such, it's more of a wink to those in the know, and a subtle shot at rdjam.

Gary

[Go Blu]

SAD so SAD.....Just give up already!

[SlapnutsGT]

Also, in order to calculate the attach rate, please count every PS3 that has been produced worldwide as a BD player, and compare that the number of BD sales in the US. See how outrageously low that attach rate is... and it's all because the PS3 is a Blu-ray disc player.


3) Which brings us to... the PS3 is NOT a Blu-ray disc player, and the other side needs to stop claiming it as one.

Great Great Great haha that is so true

[JAGUAR1977]

To motivate potential signatories, the site would have readers believe that HD DVD is superior to Blu-ray Disc, but it attempts to persuade with a deceitful and devious tactic.

Who'd have thought it.

Just what is the motivation of SO many HD-DVD ownes to spread FUD, it really is beyond belief.

What happened to supporting the best format and sticking with the facts?