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![]() ![]() Flicker Alley have just announced Marcel L'Herbier's L'Inhumaine (1924) for release on Blu-ray, from a new 4K restoration. Release Date: February 23rd, 2016. Featuring two new scores, including one from the Alloy Orchestra. Quote:
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Direct 4K scan from the original nitrate negative!? Scary - and awesome, that could lead to some really good picture quality if the negative is in a good state (but that's a big IF given that it's more than 90 years old). I hope this will mean more L'Herbier is in the works - L'Argent, perhaps?.
But an MSRP of $39.95 is steep. They ask the same for Dziga Vertov's Man With A Movie Camera, but that set at least includes a handful of other movies. The extras here don't seem as compelling and I'm wary of "modern scores" (especially a percussion score) after what FWMS pulled with Variete. I'm definitely intrigued, but I think I will wait for reviews and see if I can't find it substantially cheaper than MSRP. |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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I think that <30USD shipped is reasonable and placed my order.
Years ago I bought the laserdisc in Japan which was based upon a restoration in the late 90s by the Cinemateque and thought it looked brilliant. That version ran a full 12 minutes longer than Flicker Alley's so I am curious as to what might account for the discrepancy. |
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Purely a guess: Framerate? If Flicker Alley runs at 24 fps and is 122 minutes, a version with 22 fps would run 133 minutes. That's pretty close to the discrepancy you report. That is of course assuming that it's not a question of cut scenes (but if it really is the original nitrate negative it should be uncut, shouldn't it?).
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In any event, I doubt you will get it much cheaper anywhere else in the first place. Particularly as Amazon and other retailers generally sell Flicker Alley titles for more than $25 each. |
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I've got the French BD and I must agree regarding the encoding. In fact I'd say it's so problematic at times that I almost consider the edition being defective. With a decent Blu-Ray edition you shouldn't be able to see any macroblocking even at relatively close distances to a big screen, but when I can see it clearly on a 50" display barely six feet away then it's some serious issues.
If it wouldn't have been for this serious issue, I would've considered the Blu-Ray to be superb. Restoration is excellent and I really enjoyed the Alloy Orchestra soundtrack. The film itself was excellent as well. It's not that I'm ungrateful to their work, it's more that I cannot ignore an issue if I see it and I sure do. |
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Blu-ray Knight
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Does anyone have a clue on if there might be a recall on this title or is it just so esoteric that we will have to live with what they've released? I know FA has limited resources and will probably not re-release it anytime soon, but what about Lobster in France? Have they ever done a recall? |
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Well if you can see the issues, like me, that's one thing. If you cannot I envy you. There's probably no chance to get a replacement for a niche Blu-Ray like this although I would appreciate it for sure.
It seems like the Flicker Alley release of Man With a Movie Camera have the very same issue. Down below are two screenshots linked from DVDBeaver that clearly points out the issue, the compression in shadow detail is just plain awful. Looks almost like a Youtube video or something, not what you'd expect from a Blu-Ray with a retail of $35. Judging from these screenshots I'd say this is clearly worse than L'Inhumaine. http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-r...1_blu-ray_.jpg http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-r...5_blu-ray_.jpg I'm not regretting buying the BFI edition for peanuts by comparison. |
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Thanks given by: | Professor Echo (03-11-2016) |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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Unfortunately, this isn't the first Flicker Alley release to have macroblocking issues. I love the titles they put out, but I generally wait and see if a UK label will release them because their encoding hasn't been as good as it should - especially given the prices of their releases. I would love to support them more, but I think they need to crack down on whoever does their disc authoring.
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The good thing with the French releases from Lobster is that they're usually relatively cheap (even more so when comparing to the US FA sets, which I think are quite expensive as a whole).
On the specific Vertov and Bowers French discs, their visual limitation is that the brightness seems too elevated. Everytime you have a dark flat area, it contains huge macroblocks akin to what can be seen on the left side of L'inhumaine cap #20. With deeper dark areas, it's likely the macroblocks would have disappeared into a 0 0 0 RGB value. I held on buying L'inhumaine specifically because I was wondering if it would also have such issues (having been burnt twice already), and seeing Svet's caps, it sadly reminds me a lot of that concern. |
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Man, this is such a bummer. I've been longing to see this movie for a while, but macroblocking is one of those things where seen it can't be unseen (for me at least).
Fortunately, the screencaps don't look too too terrible (it seems mostly confined to blacks/near blacks), I've seen much worse. I take it the Lobster version comes with English "soutitres"? Does anyone know if there's a third edition in the works somewhere (UK, Germany... Outer Mongolia)? I'd love to see MoC or BFI tackle this one. |
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Yes. In fact I think it's the very same disc. Menus and technical specifications are all identical. |
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Thanks given by: | Knaldskalle (03-12-2016) |
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bummer, I only have a 42", but I sit close. Anyone think a guy with a pathetic little screen like mine
![]() like others, I'm gonna wait a bit and see if a UK release may come (as long as it's not by the guys that did that horrible 8 1/2 encode). Shame, the review makes me really wanna see this film asap. |
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Blu-ray Knight
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Thanks given by: | billyearle (03-13-2016) |
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Thanks for your thoughts Prof. A lot of the time I thankfully don't notice compression artifacts (42"), but I guess I'll hold off a while and see if BFI or someone does this any better. Were any of the other Flicker Alley or similar US releases later picked up by BFI or Eureka region free? If so, I have more hope of seeing a UK release.
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