HDR vrs OLED?

[soright903]

Hey guys can anyone explain the difference to me?

I have a 1080P OLED TV and it looks amazing. Does HDR look that much better? What is the difference? I looked at a 4k HDR LED at Best Buy and was not impressed. I enjoy my 1080P OLED better. What am I missing?

[punisher]

it's very vivid....

[DavePS3]

HDR is higher contrast (brighter lights, darker blacks without crushing detail), more shades of colors and better fine detail. The PS4 just added HDR support and I tried 'The Division' and 'Sniper Elite3' by engaging the option on the TV on that particular HDMI input. There is a huge difference even doing this simple up-conversion but when you get a proper 4K HDR source like say... Sicario, my God, you can see detail, shades of colors that were just not there on the regular BluRay going though at 1080p. Mad Max Fury Road as another example... chrome looks like chrome, not like shiny silver metal. I'm blown away by it.

[soright903]

I am considering upgrading to a LG 4k OLED with HDR either 55"or 65". Is this the best 4k TV on the market? Always stick with OLED?

[doctor_who]

Originally Posted by soright903

I am considering upgrading to a LG 4k OLED with HDR either 55"or 65". Is this the best 4k TV on the market? Always stick with OLED?

Yes. 100 percent yes, if you can afford it.

[soright903]

I can get the 55" now. But i thinking about saving another grand to get the 65". Do LG OLED 4k support HDR 10. The specs say HDR including Dolby Vision. Does that means it supports HDR 10?

[doctor_who]

Originally Posted by soright903

I can get the 55" now. But i thinking about saving another grand to get the 65". Do LG OLED 4k support HDR 10. The specs say HDR including Dolby Vision. Does that means it supports HDR 10?

Yes. The 2016 line supports both Dolby Vision and HDR 10.

The 2015 line supports HDR 10, as well, but not Dolby Vision, but you can get the 65 inch (65EF9500) for much cheaper than the 2016 line at this time since they are clearing them out. It's the one I have, and the picture is pretty much the same as the 2016 line-up, which I have looked at in detail in numerous places. I'm sticking with the EF9500 for three years, at least, and then I'll re-assess the need for Dolby Vision at that time. It's really not significant at this time, and might not be for a few years since Samsung and Sony don't even support it now.

[DavePS3]

3 weeks ago, I tested the OLED 65" here beside the Samsung 9800. The OLED was great in one aspect-white letters on black had no 'glow' BUT I found it crushed some detail in the blacks that I could clearly see on the 9800. I also had a bit of an issue with the way the OLED handled motion and I've heard some gamers have panned the panel for that reason. Mind you, I was using Sicario and Hitman in 4K HDR BD running off the Samsung 4K player and did not connect our PS4 to either. The 9800 had a much higher NITS (1200) level over the OLED which I had to max out to even get 75% of the contrast of the 9800. However, colors & fine detail were equal. This is not to take away from those who love their OLED displays because when it comes down to it, it's all about what makes you excited to watch a movie on your display no matter what technology it is. I watch tons of movies so those and games are my prime concern when it comes to picture quality and much less broadcast signals. The higher NITS is not to make the display so bright you need sunglasses to watch it but rather, the higher contrast gives you so much more detail in the dark areas while keeping those areas black.

I will say that because the latest firmware update on the PS4 added HDR, the Samsung 8000 series and up took massive advantage of this when gaming. Did't have the chance to try it on the OLED because we only had it and tested it for 3 days.

No matter what your budget, what the technology and environment, get what you love and love what you have but always keep an open mind to new technology (better and worse).

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

3 weeks ago, I tested the OLED 65" here beside the Samsung 9800. The OLED was great in one aspect-white letters on black had no 'glow' BUT I found it crushed some detail in the blacks that I could clearly see on the 9800. I also had a bit of an issue with the way the OLED handled motion and I've heard some gamers have panned the panel for that reason. Mind you, I was using Sicario and Hitman in 4K HDR BD running off the Samsung 4K player and did not connect our PS4 to either. The 9800 had a much higher NITS (1200) level over the OLED which I had to max out to even get 75% of the contrast of the 9800. However, colors & fine detail were equal. This is not to take away from those who love their OLED displays because when it comes down to it, it's all about what makes you excited to watch a movie on your display no matter what technology it is. I watch tons of movies so those and games are my prime concern when it comes to picture quality and much less broadcast signals. The higher NITS is not to make the display so bright you need sunglasses to watch it but rather, the higher contrast gives you so much more detail in the dark areas while keeping those areas black.

I will say that because the latest firmware update on the PS4 added HDR, the Samsung 8000 series and up took massive advantage of this when gaming. Did't have the chance to try it on the OLED because we only had it and tested it for 3 days.

No matter what your budget, what the technology and environment, get what you love and love what you have but always keep an open mind to new technology (better and worse).

In the end which tv did you prefer with the 4k blu rays? Did you adjust settings on each tv?

Where was the comparison done, at home or at the store?

[DavePS3]

In our store, same environment, using Sicario in 4K off the Sammy 4K player. Tweaked both for best PQ.It's not that the OLED is bad, it just showed a few things I wasn't crazy about. I think the fact that OLED has less than a third of the lifespan of other LED bothers me considering the higher cost of OLED. My view is that if OLED was a viable technology, everyone would be doing it. Samsung has some really nutty technology coming over the next few years. They've got a tech plan for the next 12 years, all mapped out. Picture quality wise... I do prefer the Sammy but that's just me.

[ninfan81]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

HDR is higher contrast (brighter lights, darker blacks without crushing detail), more shades of colors and better fine detail. The PS4 just added HDR support and I tried 'The Division' and 'Sniper Elite3' by engaging the option on the TV on that particular HDMI input. There is a huge difference even doing this simple up-conversion but when you get a proper 4K HDR source like say... Sicario, my God, you can see detail, shades of colors that were just not there on the regular BluRay going though at 1080p. Mad Max Fury Road as another example... chrome looks like chrome, not like shiny silver metal. I'm blown away by it.

None of the games have HDR support, so right now there is no true HDR on PS4.

[DavePS3]

Originally Posted by ninfan81

None of the games have HDR support, so right now there is no true HDR on PS4.

Yeah, I said that... however, it works. A buddy of mine did the same test. The PS4 is 'faking' the HDR but it works, just like upconverting DVD helps the PQ on those discs, HDR support works on HDR displays. It's there, it's noticeable and it's awesome. Really looking forward to games in native HDR.

[ninfan81]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

Yeah, I said that... however, it works. A buddy of mine did the same test. The PS4 is 'faking' the HDR but it works, just like upconverting DVD helps the PQ on those discs, HDR support works on HDR displays. It's there, it's noticeable and it's awesome. Really looking forward to games in native HDR.

It does not fake anything. It does not work at all right now. It says in the settings on the PS4 that it works with "compatible applications". There are none on PS4 at the moment. I have a 4K LG with HDR. The PS4 does not output HDR in any regard, whether it be menu, games or apps at the moment.

[ninfan81]

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2016...media-useless/

[DavePS3]

Originally Posted by ninfan81

It does not fake anything. It does not work at all right now. It says in the settings on the PS4 that it works with "compatible applications". There are none on PS4 at the moment. I have a 4K LG with HDR. The PS4 does not output HDR in any regard, whether it be menu, games or apps at the moment.

You're wrong. Talk to anyone who has a 4K HDR display with a PS4 connected and the HDR set to auto. If you're not seeing a difference on your panel, maybe the HDR isn't flagged, dunno but I've talked to 6 users here in the store and buddy and if they all see a big difference...pretty good chance it's there. I haven't talked to anyone with the setup that hasn't seen a difference - except you.

[Blu Lemmy]

^ There is no HDR content on the PS4 at the moment.....

[ninfan81]

You guys are all victim of the placebo effect. The system is not outputting hdr at the moment. Even the Sony site lists November 10th as the first day a game will have HDR on PS4. The only game with HDR is Deus Ex and that got an update 2 days ago to make it happen. Netflix and Amazon are not HDR on PS4 either.

https://www.playstation.com/en-nz/ge...ow-to-get-hdr/

[DavePS3]

(shaking head) Look, this would be a perfect example of why some really brilliant minds in the biz don't bother with these forums. The type of negativity from those who haven't experienced is astounding. Questioning things is good but discounting concepts, ideas and revelations is something we should have evolved from eons ago.

[ninfan81]

I really want to experience, considering i own all the necessary equipment. Sony just won't let me (aside from Deus Ex). Gears of War 4 and Forza look fantastic in HDR, and maybe the Pro will too.