JBL sub - Blu-ray Forum

scorpionkingct · 12-25-2007, 11:05 PM

how many people dont use a subwoofer? and if not what sub are u buying?
does it matter per wattage per ur receiver, example i have 630 watt receiver, should i get 600+ sub?

I was leaning towards ...JBL 12" Studio L8400P 600-Watt Powered Subwoofer. BB wants 800 but i can get it for 550 bucks. I am not usinga sub and it sounds good, what about every1 else. is their a big difference when i hook a sub up?

I dont know too much about subs how does this sound:
Product Features

* 12" powered subwoofer adds bass impact and excitement to your home audio
* Built-in amplifier supplies 1200 watts peak power; 600 watts RMS
* PolyPlas driver delivers cleaner, more realistic low frequencies

* From our expanded online assortment; not available in all Best Buy stores
* Rubber-surround, cast-aluminum chassis, HeatScape motor structure, Symmetrical Field Geometry, oversized fiberglass voice coil and magnetic shorting ring
* Low-pass crossover frequency continuously adjustable from 50Hz - 150Hz
* Low-diffraction IsoPower baffle
* Gold-plated, 5-way binding posts; bi-wire capability allows improved connectivity and use of either 1 or 2 speaker level inputs
* Frequency Response: 50Hz - 150kHz
* Impedance: 8 ohms

Running
Receiver- Sony 630W 6.1-Ch. A/V Home Theater Receiver (Model: STR-DG710)

Azzkker · 12-25-2007, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scorpionkingct

how many people dont use a subwoofer? and if not what sub are u buying?
does it matter per wattage per ur receiver, example i have 630 watt receiver, should i get 600+ sub?

I was leaning towards ...JBL 12" Studio L8400P 600-Watt Powered Subwoofer. BB wants 800 but i can get it for 550 bucks. I am not usinga sub and it sounds good, what about every1 else. is their a big difference when i hook a sub up?

almost all store bought subwoofers are self powered, so you do not need to worry about the wattage of your receiver, just that it has a sub out rca connection. that 12" jbl will have plenty of kick and you will notice a difference especially in movies that have lots of explosions or really nice soundtracks to them. i have large speakers for all my surround channels (2 JBL radiance 12" 3 way floor standing, 2 Award 12" 5 way floor standing for the front channels, i have York 8" 2 way speakers for the rear channels, and just a 10" sony sub (till i finish my 15" RLP soundsplinter sonosub project) and even with that small sub i cant still tell a difference from not using one and having it on.

i say go for it.

thanks
anthony

Thomasbeau · 12-25-2007, 11:29 PM

I recently purchased the JBL Venue 12 subwoofer. It's 300 watts, doesn't sound like a lot, but this sub kicks. I got mine from J & R music world for less than $300 bucks, BB wanted almost $500. I bought this to replace a Cambridge Soundworks Subwoofer II. It was 400 watts and the JBL completely blows it away.

Here's the JBL Link, http://www.jbl.com/home/products/pro...at=SUB&ser=VEN

I just went to J&R and they are selling it now for $199. I can't believe it. This sub is way better than $199 should buy. Here's the link...http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4104345

PaulGo · 12-26-2007, 01:15 AM

It also depends on the size of your room. A good quality 10 inch sub will sound great in a smaller room. Also where you put the sub makes a big difference. The quality of the sub is more important than the watts.

Clark Kent · 12-26-2007, 01:23 AM

Check out Hsu subwoofers. For the price they can't be beat. Here's a good example:

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2-mk3.html

Of course they offer a wide range of subwoofers shipped directly to you. They are going to play lower than the JBL you list.

beavis667 · 12-26-2007, 01:49 AM

Check out SVS subwoofers. Here's the link to the site http://www.svsound.com/index.cfm Much like the HSU's listed above, they are a specialty sub shop. For 550 bucks you can buy ALOT of SVS subwoofer. Look at their cylindrical subs. They may look big, but they have a small footprint on your floor. I run a 20-39 PC+ in a huge room with 18 foot ceilings and it's more than enough sub for the job. They do a good job for music and movies.

yagami · 12-26-2007, 02:09 AM

That's the one that I'm picking up to replace my aging PSW-1200 as I have L830s all around and the LC1 as my center. That makes it the missing piece in my puzzle and the L810 as my sides when I upgrade to 7.1.

JohnGalt · 12-26-2007, 02:58 AM

*THE* best bang-for-the-buck subs out there today come from Elemental Designs. In particular the A5-350 is a killer performer in its price range. Hsu is also killer in their price range but you'll pay a bit more than you would for similar performance from an e.d. sub. I seriously considered Hsu's products but wound up purchasing an SVS PB-13 Ultra because there's very few subs that can compete with it that sell for less than several times the price SVS is currently charging for it.

TauRus · 12-26-2007, 03:26 AM

Scorpion King, I had quite a few subs in my setup, and I have no doubt in recommending the one that I currently use in my main setup - Klipsch RSW-10. They are discontinued by Klipsch and therefore you can get them at a great price from many online and some retail locations. This is a reference quality sub.

scorpionkingct · 12-26-2007, 12:34 PM

Where do most of u keep ur subs , behind / in front of TV, in rear of room or?

T-Town Oil · 12-26-2007, 12:40 PM

best advice for placement of a sub. you can put your sub where you would be sitting and play a song or movie with consistent bass. i know it sounds silly, but crawl on your knees around your listening room and find the spot where you here the best sounding bass. place your subwoofer there and youve got a great spot to place your sub and fine tune your settings. perefct subwoofer adjustment takes a lot of time to get it right, but be patient and youll be rewarded.

victorvondoom88 · 12-26-2007, 01:12 PM

I highly recommend using a sub especially for movies. I currently use a Mirage BPS-400 dual 12" 400w rms/1200w dynamic. It is awesome so far I haven't heard another sub come close, unfortunately it has been discontinued for some time now. The Elemental Design one looks promising but I have heard of people having trouble getting there products in a timely fashion.

I have not however heard anything bad about the SVS subs just about everyone I have read about have nothing but good things to say about them.
IMO I would go with a 12" minimum or a 15".

victorvondoom88 · 12-26-2007, 01:26 PM

You can go here and read a bunch of reviews http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/maste...ubwoofers.html

I don't put much stock into reviews but these guys seem to do allot of measuring and they have tested a vast array of subs many from SVS,HSU ,earthquake and velodyne.
You can also check out the DIY route which if you are handy at woodworking can give you unrivaled performance.
http://htguide.com/forum/

beavis667 · 12-26-2007, 02:01 PM

Regarding sub placement, bass travels well. It goes through walls and furniture. Not saying that you put your sub in the closet, I'm just saying it is less directional than the other speakers in your setup. With that said, the most important thing for you to consider is whether you get a side firing sub or a downfiring sub. Side firing subs will require more thought in their placement, and in which direction you have the sub aiming. You actually get a more profound bass response level when aiming them at a wall rather than you, but some of that relies on distance from the wall.

If you get downfiring, you can pretty well put it anywhere in the room. I keep my sub in the front right corner of a huge room and the bass is in no way directional to that corner. I'm not advocating downfiring because of that however.

In the end, you should use a decible reader to tune the volume level of your sub. Your receiver might have a built in tuning system where you put a microphone in the middle of your room and calibrate it. I like doing this manually. You can get a decible reader from Radio Shack. You go to your general seating area and then play pink noise (from a tuning DVD/CD or built in on your receiver) at reference volume. Then tune each channel so that they are at 70db or so. I like running my sub about 2 decibles hot in my movie system.

scorpionkingct · 12-26-2007, 02:29 PM

Good feedback all....

scorpionkingct · 12-26-2007, 05:51 PM

I just ordered Sub- JBL 12" Studio L8400P 600-Watt . I cannot wait to set it up. Maybe I can shake my windows now.

12-25-2007, 11:05 PM	#1
scorpionkingct Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Connecticut, USA Home Theater Gallery:32 Blu-ray reviews:6	JBL sub how many people dont use a subwoofer? and if not what sub are u buying? does it matter per wattage per ur receiver, example i have 630 watt receiver, should i get 600+ sub? I was leaning towards ...JBL 12" Studio L8400P 600-Watt Powered Subwoofer. BB wants 800 but i can get it for 550 bucks. I am not usinga sub and it sounds good, what about every1 else. is their a big difference when i hook a sub up? I dont know too much about subs how does this sound: Product Features * 12" powered subwoofer adds bass impact and excitement to your home audio * Built-in amplifier supplies 1200 watts peak power; 600 watts RMS * PolyPlas driver delivers cleaner, more realistic low frequencies * From our expanded online assortment; not available in all Best Buy stores * Rubber-surround, cast-aluminum chassis, HeatScape motor structure, Symmetrical Field Geometry, oversized fiberglass voice coil and magnetic shorting ring * Low-pass crossover frequency continuously adjustable from 50Hz - 150Hz * Low-diffraction IsoPower baffle * Gold-plated, 5-way binding posts; bi-wire capability allows improved connectivity and use of either 1 or 2 speaker level inputs * Frequency Response: 50Hz - 150kHz * Impedance: 8 ohms Running Receiver- Sony 630W 6.1-Ch. A/V Home Theater Receiver (Model: STR-DG710) Last edited by scorpionkingct; 12-25-2007 at 11:12 PM.

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12-25-2007, 11:29 PM	#3
Thomasbeau Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Moosup, CT 4K collection:12 Blu-ray collection:275	I recently purchased the JBL Venue 12 subwoofer. It's 300 watts, doesn't sound like a lot, but this sub kicks. I got mine from J & R music world for less than $300 bucks, BB wanted almost $500. I bought this to replace a Cambridge Soundworks Subwoofer II. It was 400 watts and the JBL completely blows it away. Here's the JBL Link, http://www.jbl.com/home/products/pro...at=SUB&ser=VEN I just went to J&R and they are selling it now for $199. I can't believe it. This sub is way better than $199 should buy. Here's the link...http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4104345

12-26-2007, 01:15 AM	#4
PaulGo Power Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:North Potomac, MD	It also depends on the size of your room. A good quality 10 inch sub will sound great in a smaller room. Also where you put the sub makes a big difference. The quality of the sub is more important than the watts.

12-26-2007, 01:23 AM	#5
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	Check out Hsu subwoofers. For the price they can't be beat. Here's a good example: http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2-mk3.html Of course they offer a wide range of subwoofers shipped directly to you. They are going to play lower than the JBL you list.

12-26-2007, 01:49 AM	#6
beavis667 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	Check out SVS subwoofers. Here's the link to the site http://www.svsound.com/index.cfm Much like the HSU's listed above, they are a specialty sub shop. For 550 bucks you can buy ALOT of SVS subwoofer. Look at their cylindrical subs. They may look big, but they have a small footprint on your floor. I run a 20-39 PC+ in a huge room with 18 foot ceilings and it's more than enough sub for the job. They do a good job for music and movies.

12-26-2007, 02:09 AM	#7
yagami Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Queens, NY Blu-ray collection:294	That's the one that I'm picking up to replace my aging PSW-1200 as I have L830s all around and the LC1 as my center. That makes it the missing piece in my puzzle and the L810 as my sides when I upgrade to 7.1.

12-26-2007, 02:58 AM	#8
JohnGalt Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007 Trading Score:4	THE best bang-for-the-buck subs out there today come from Elemental Designs. In particular the A5-350 is a killer performer in its price range. Hsu is also killer in their price range but you'll pay a bit more than you would for similar performance from an e.d. sub. I seriously considered Hsu's products but wound up purchasing an SVS PB-13 Ultra because there's very few subs that can compete with it that sell for less than several times the price SVS is currently charging for it.

12-26-2007, 03:26 AM	#9
TauRus Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Chicago NW burbs	Scorpion King, I had quite a few subs in my setup, and I have no doubt in recommending the one that I currently use in my main setup - Klipsch RSW-10. They are discontinued by Klipsch and therefore you can get them at a great price from many online and some retail locations. This is a reference quality sub.

12-26-2007, 12:34 PM	#10
scorpionkingct Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Connecticut, USA Home Theater Gallery:32 Blu-ray reviews:6	Where do most of u keep ur subs , behind / in front of TV, in rear of room or?

12-26-2007, 12:40 PM	#11
T-Town Oil Expert Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Tulsa, Oklahoma Home Theater Gallery:20 Blu-ray collection:42 Blu-ray reviews:3	best advice for placement of a sub. you can put your sub where you would be sitting and play a song or movie with consistent bass. i know it sounds silly, but crawl on your knees around your listening room and find the spot where you here the best sounding bass. place your subwoofer there and youve got a great spot to place your sub and fine tune your settings. perefct subwoofer adjustment takes a lot of time to get it right, but be patient and youll be rewarded.

12-26-2007, 01:12 PM	#12
victorvondoom88 Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Location:middle of nowere, IL. Home Theater Gallery:26 4K collection:39 Blu-ray collection:656	I highly recommend using a sub especially for movies. I currently use a Mirage BPS-400 dual 12" 400w rms/1200w dynamic. It is awesome so far I haven't heard another sub come close, unfortunately it has been discontinued for some time now. The Elemental Design one looks promising but I have heard of people having trouble getting there products in a timely fashion. I have not however heard anything bad about the SVS subs just about everyone I have read about have nothing but good things to say about them. IMO I would go with a 12" minimum or a 15".

12-26-2007, 01:26 PM	#13
victorvondoom88 Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Location:middle of nowere, IL. Home Theater Gallery:26 4K collection:39 Blu-ray collection:656	You can go here and read a bunch of reviews http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/maste...ubwoofers.html I don't put much stock into reviews but these guys seem to do allot of measuring and they have tested a vast array of subs many from SVS,HSU ,earthquake and velodyne. You can also check out the DIY route which if you are handy at woodworking can give you unrivaled performance. http://htguide.com/forum/

12-26-2007, 02:01 PM	#14
beavis667 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	Regarding sub placement, bass travels well. It goes through walls and furniture. Not saying that you put your sub in the closet, I'm just saying it is less directional than the other speakers in your setup. With that said, the most important thing for you to consider is whether you get a side firing sub or a downfiring sub. Side firing subs will require more thought in their placement, and in which direction you have the sub aiming. You actually get a more profound bass response level when aiming them at a wall rather than you, but some of that relies on distance from the wall. If you get downfiring, you can pretty well put it anywhere in the room. I keep my sub in the front right corner of a huge room and the bass is in no way directional to that corner. I'm not advocating downfiring because of that however. In the end, you should use a decible reader to tune the volume level of your sub. Your receiver might have a built in tuning system where you put a microphone in the middle of your room and calibrate it. I like doing this manually. You can get a decible reader from Radio Shack. You go to your general seating area and then play pink noise (from a tuning DVD/CD or built in on your receiver) at reference volume. Then tune each channel so that they are at 70db or so. I like running my sub about 2 decibles hot in my movie system.

12-26-2007, 02:29 PM	#15
scorpionkingct Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Connecticut, USA Home Theater Gallery:32 Blu-ray reviews:6	Good feedback all....

12-26-2007, 05:51 PM	#16
scorpionkingct Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Connecticut, USA Home Theater Gallery:32 Blu-ray reviews:6	I just ordered Sub- JBL 12" Studio L8400P 600-Watt . I cannot wait to set it up. Maybe I can shake my windows now.

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