1,000,000:1 contrast ratio - Blu-ray Forum

radagast · 10-01-2007, 02:16 PM

Sony is bringing an OLED tv soon with 1,000,000 to 1 contrast ratio.

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...x?NewsId=21516

tron3 · 10-01-2007, 02:22 PM

NICE! But the estimated 30,000 hour life translates into 3.52 years of constant use. Or 10.27 years if you run it 8 hours a day. 13.7 years if you run it 6 hours a day. That is only IF the estimated life is correct.

Been waiting for OLED TV for a long time, but considering the size and price, I'm not going to let that stop me from buying LCD.

Blu-ray Fanatic · 10-01-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by radagast

Sony is bringing an OLED tv soon with 1,000,000 to 1 contrast ratio.

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...x?NewsId=21516

Don't believe everything you hear or read. Samsung has tv's similar like that with 500,000:1 contrast ratio. Do not be deceived by the numbers. I asked someone who knew this stuff and said do not believe any of that. Stick to the tvs that have 18,000:1 or less

tron3 · 10-01-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu-ray Fanatic

Don't believe everything you hear or read. Samsung has tv's similar like that with 500,000:1 contrast ratio. Do not be deceived by the numbers. I asked someone who knew this stuff and said do not believe any of that. Stick to the tvs that have 18,000:1 or less

I don't see why we need THAT MUCH contrast that Sony claims. Doesn't too much contrast usually ruin the picture? OLED's being what they are, self lighting organic LED, I can see it having ultra high contrast. After all, the glow comes straight off the picture, not being passed through layers of LCD.

I'd like to see the picture in person. Must be phenominal.

radagast · 10-01-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tron3

NICE! But the estimated 30,000 hour life translates into 3.52 years of constant use. Or 10.27 years if you run it 8 hours a day. 13.7 years if you run it 6 hours a day. That is only IF the estimated life is correct.

I believe the figures for est. life. It's a new technology. You know "early adopters". Remember how far other technologies have come. I am quite confident that Sony will, in time, extend the life of the technology.

SS316SRV · 10-01-2007, 02:31 PM

Contrast ratios are pretty fishy measures. Nobody has ever sat down and counted a contrast ratio. This technology will take a couple of years before it is fully accepted, just like the SXRD.

radagast · 10-01-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu-ray Fanatic

Don't believe everything you hear or read. Samsung has tv's similar like that with 500,000:1 contrast ratio. Do not be deceived by the numbers. I asked someone who knew this stuff and said do not believe any of that. Stick to the tvs that have 18,000:1 or less

Well I remember reading a trade show report about SEDs being shown that also have a contrast ratio that high. The reporters said that it had the most amazing picture of ANY TV at the show. So I have to wonder why ANYONE would say stick to TVs of 18,000:1 or LESS. LESS??? You have to be kidding. 1000:1 is less. That would suck.

radagast · 10-01-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tron3

I don't see why we need THAT MUCH contrast that Sony claims. Doesn't too much contrast usually ruin the picture?

Why would it ruin the picture? It would just mean that any material or programming that had less contrast would be reproduced accurately.

Sonny · 10-01-2007, 02:44 PM

11 inch screen

DezNutz · 10-01-2007, 03:12 PM

It is a new technology, and Sony is being the pioneer again. This technology will replace both LCD and Plasmas within 6-8 years.

There is a couple problems with the new technology, one being they cannot mass produce a screen larger than 14" right now, and the other is the "limited" life span of the technology. Both of these will improve with years of development and use, hell LCD has similiar size restrictions when it was first introduced.

What I love about it, is that it is thin, uses less power, has wider viewing angles, and best picture quality best contrast rates ect...

I see this technology really growing in small portable electronics, think laptops, cell phones, even PSP's... as tehy are thinner screens than anything out there, and use less power while providing a better picture, perfect for portable electronics..

WickyWoo · 10-01-2007, 03:13 PM

I seriously doubt it'll even be in the same ballpark in real world applications

lch · 10-01-2007, 03:15 PM

i thought oled is already in use for some mobile phone and mp3 player.

smileyworm · 10-01-2007, 03:28 PM

I have the Samsung 4681 and comparing it to Samsungs 4665 (15,000:1 contrast ratio) the picture is night and day. My electrician stayed an hour extra just to watch "The Wild" on BD.

welwynnick · 10-01-2007, 03:34 PM

Why the negativity and cynicism? There were always two technologies in the wings to take over from LCD & plasma – SED and OLED. SED now appears to be dead in the water, due to the faster-than-expected improvement in price & performance of current displays. OLED still has the capability to be economically manufactured in both large and small displays, yet has the crucial ability to turn the light source off (like CRT and SED, and unlike LCD and PDP).

Now IIRC, the only downside to OLED was short lifespan – around 10k hours. If Sony predict 35k hours, I reckon that’s just fine. Let’s put it into perspective – who keeps their new AV gear anything like that long anyway? I’m selling my new PJ with less than 100 hours on it.

Incidentally that PJ has a contrast of around 10,000 / 500 (sequential / simultaneous), and lets be frank, that’s nothing like enough. CRT & SED are capable of around 100,000 – that’s what new display technologies should be aiming to match or improve. The more contrast the better. Digital displays with proper black are getting closer, and we should expect blacks to be black, not grey.

These new display technologies will make our current gear seem under-achieving and over-priced, but I think we should welcome this sort of progress.

BR, Nick

Robmx · 10-01-2007, 03:40 PM

Removed, I was wrong with my post..... The good thing about this is it wil bring down the price of L.C.D.

daisuke149 · 10-01-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tron3

NICE! But the estimated 30,000 hour life translates into 3.52 years of constant use. Or 10.27 years if you run it 8 hours a day. 13.7 years if you run it 6 hours a day. That is only IF the estimated life is correct.

Been waiting for OLED TV for a long time, but considering the size and price, I'm not going to let that stop me from buying LCD.

ur forgetting a few things

the samsung is now 100,000 to 1.. not 500k..

also sony doesnt inflate their contrast like samsung does. also being a new tech waittill u seeit.. : ) u may be suprised

Kristin Simard · 10-01-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonny

11 inch screen

That was my thought. All this fuss for an 11 inch screen!

radagast · 10-01-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristin Simard

That was my thought. All this fuss for an 11 inch screen!

This point was made earlier (above posts) but I will make it again.

LCDs started out small, too. This is a brand new technology that if history is an indicator means that, as this technology is improved and matures, we will see large screens that will have much better longevity. THAT'S THE POINT OF BEING EXCITED ABOUT THIS!!!

Bombthroat · 10-01-2007, 06:44 PM

This is just a sign of things to come IMO.

I'll be interested in purchasing once 30 something inch 1080p sets are available. This would make a great bedroom display.

Blu Tiger · 10-01-2007, 07:07 PM

Isn't pioneer's new plasma technology supposed to be pushing 100,000:1 also? I might have to go back into debt again.

10-01-2007, 02:16 PM	#1
radagast Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Location:Indianapolis	1,000,000:1 contrast ratio Sony is bringing an OLED tv soon with 1,000,000 to 1 contrast ratio. http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...x?NewsId=21516

10-01-2007, 03:40 PM	#15
Robmx Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Niagara, Ontario, Canada	Removed, I was wrong with my post..... The good thing about this is it wil bring down the price of L.C.D. Last edited by Robmx; 10-01-2007 at 03:43 PM.

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10-01-2007, 02:22 PM	#2
tron3 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2004 Location:New Jersey Blu-ray reviews:3	NICE! But the estimated 30,000 hour life translates into 3.52 years of constant use. Or 10.27 years if you run it 8 hours a day. 13.7 years if you run it 6 hours a day. That is only IF the estimated life is correct. Been waiting for OLED TV for a long time, but considering the size and price, I'm not going to let that stop me from buying LCD.

10-01-2007, 02:31 PM	#6
SS316SRV Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Appleton, WI Blu-ray collection:74	Contrast ratios are pretty fishy measures. Nobody has ever sat down and counted a contrast ratio. This technology will take a couple of years before it is fully accepted, just like the SXRD.

10-01-2007, 02:44 PM	#9
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	11 inch screen

10-01-2007, 03:12 PM	#10
DezNutz Expert Member Member since:Mar 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray collection:24	It is a new technology, and Sony is being the pioneer again. This technology will replace both LCD and Plasmas within 6-8 years. There is a couple problems with the new technology, one being they cannot mass produce a screen larger than 14" right now, and the other is the "limited" life span of the technology. Both of these will improve with years of development and use, hell LCD has similiar size restrictions when it was first introduced. What I love about it, is that it is thin, uses less power, has wider viewing angles, and best picture quality best contrast rates ect... I see this technology really growing in small portable electronics, think laptops, cell phones, even PSP's... as tehy are thinner screens than anything out there, and use less power while providing a better picture, perfect for portable electronics..

10-01-2007, 03:13 PM	#11
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	I seriously doubt it'll even be in the same ballpark in real world applications

10-01-2007, 03:15 PM	#12
lch Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:103 Blu-ray collection:813 Blu-ray reviews:1	i thought oled is already in use for some mobile phone and mp3 player.

10-01-2007, 03:28 PM	#13
smileyworm Member Member since:Sep 2007	I have the Samsung 4681 and comparing it to Samsungs 4665 (15,000:1 contrast ratio) the picture is night and day. My electrician stayed an hour extra just to watch "The Wild" on BD.

10-01-2007, 03:34 PM	#14
welwynnick Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007	Why the negativity and cynicism? There were always two technologies in the wings to take over from LCD & plasma – SED and OLED. SED now appears to be dead in the water, due to the faster-than-expected improvement in price & performance of current displays. OLED still has the capability to be economically manufactured in both large and small displays, yet has the crucial ability to turn the light source off (like CRT and SED, and unlike LCD and PDP). Now IIRC, the only downside to OLED was short lifespan – around 10k hours. If Sony predict 35k hours, I reckon that’s just fine. Let’s put it into perspective – who keeps their new AV gear anything like that long anyway? I’m selling my new PJ with less than 100 hours on it. Incidentally that PJ has a contrast of around 10,000 / 500 (sequential / simultaneous), and lets be frank, that’s nothing like enough. CRT & SED are capable of around 100,000 – that’s what new display technologies should be aiming to match or improve. The more contrast the better. Digital displays with proper black are getting closer, and we should expect blacks to be black, not grey. These new display technologies will make our current gear seem under-achieving and over-priced, but I think we should welcome this sort of progress. BR, Nick

10-01-2007, 06:44 PM	#19
Bombthroat Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	This is just a sign of things to come IMO. I'll be interested in purchasing once 30 something inch 1080p sets are available. This would make a great bedroom display.

10-01-2007, 07:07 PM	#20
Blu Tiger Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Denver, CO Blu-ray collection:725 Trading Score:27	Isn't pioneer's new plasma technology supposed to be pushing 100,000:1 also? I might have to go back into debt again.

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