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Old 12-31-2007, 11:22 PM   #1
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Thumbs up A solid article by Dan Ramer.

Dan Ramer from dvdfile.com provides yet another good bluray vs. HD-DVD article

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It’s time to look back and contemplate

We are in the midst of an emotional and divisive format war. Sides have been chosen. Strong feelings are being expressed. Spin and misinformation is common. Some misguided HD DVD proponent even felt it necessary to hack the official Blu-ray Disc Association; for a few hours on a Friday afternoon and evening, visitors to the BD site were redirected to the HD DVD Promotional Group website. On a more personal level, I’ve tried to assess the two formats fairly and offer you my findings based on my own observations and supported by external information. Having viewed hundreds of discs, roughly equally divided between the two formats, I developed a preference for BD based on perceived quality. Alas, when I expressed that preference, I was often accused of bias by HD DVD proponents.

Indulge me for one paragraph while I quickly get that out of the way. Dictionary.com defines bias as “a particular tendency or inclination, [especially] one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question; prejudice.” The Cambridge Dictionary defines bias as “a tendency to support or oppose a particular person or thing in an unfair way by allowing personal opinions to influence your judgment.” Merriam-Webster defines bias as “a personal and sometimes unreasoned judgment: prejudice.” I can assure any who still harbor those feelings about my stated preference for Blu-ray Disc that I was not taught to think that way, either by education or decades of experience as an engineer. If I state a preference, it’s not based on predisposition or prejudice; it’s based on real-world observations. And as I’ve written before, no matter which format fails, I stand to lose a significant investment, either in my BD player or in my two HD DVD players. Bias has nothing to do with my preference. Let’s move on.

Both formats suffer from operational problems that annoy. HD DVD has a very stable feature set. The more mature format, it offered Internet access for updates from the start and, later, Web-based supplements. It offers picture-in-picture enhanced audio/video commentaries. The code to run the interactive features loads slowly, but not nearly as slowly as the exasperatingly sluggish loading of BD-J code from some advanced Blu-ray Discs.

From a feature set standpoint, BD is playing catch-up. The first desktop BD player to offer Profile 1.1 was introduced recently by Panasonic, and Sony is just getting around to issuing a firmware update for the PS3 that accommodates Profile 1.1. That Profile finally accommodates picture-in-picture enhanced audio/video commentaries on BD. The rest of us are out of luck, since other existing players don’t have the hardware to support the latest Profile.

My experience with HD DVD is generally positive, but I’ve encountered four or five discs that would not play on my HD-XA2 and had to be moved to my older HD-A1. On the other hand, BD-J tends to remain buggy, even with the most recent firmware. I updated my Sony BDP-S1 with level 3.2 for proper playback of the supplements on the Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End BD. And yet, while watching the supplements on an Underdog BD screener, the menu text popped onto the screen, improperly superimposed on video featurettes. Really annoying. Once the film begins, however, my experience with Blu-ray Disc has been better than with HD DVD. The images are sharper and more refined. Textures are clearer. The experience is closer to a very fine motion picture theater experience.

HD DVD was available as dual-layer 30 GB discs from the start. But initially, there was a great deal of criticism concerning the dearth of BD-50 dual-layer disc releases; the culprit was said to be yield. However, things have steadily improved. I plotted the monthly percentage of 50 GB BDs since the format was introduced. The percentage grew with each passing month; it now stands at 92%. And it doesn’t matter if this simply represents improved production capacity as opposed to improved yield. As long as the disc prices don’t go up as a consequence of yield problems, I don’t care and neither should you.

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HD DVD compression and authoring tools for the VC-1 advanced video CODEC were available from the start. Not so for Blu-ray Disc, initially. There was some considerable criticism concerning the release of early BDs with transfers compressed with the MPEG-2 video CODEC. With the very high bit rate that BD affords, I’ve enjoyed several exemplary releases that featured the legacy CODEC, but that situation, too, has turned around. MPEG-2 is rarely used anymore and AVC, which I find superior to VC-1, has come to dominate BD releases. The tools for compression and authoring are now in place and the look of a BD with an AVC transfer can be absolutely stunning.

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HD DVD, on the other hand, has been dominated from the start by the VC-1 CODEC. This isn’t surprising considering Microsoft’s substantial support. VC-1 is a very good algorithm, but based on my observations and those of reviewers around the Web, AVC looks better on both formats. HD DVD proponents would be wise to apply AVC more often.

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As I write this column, there are 384 HD DVD and 441 BD releases on the market. The studios that are dominating the HD DVD format are Universal Studios Home Entertainment and Paramount Pictures Home Entertainment. Warner Home Video contributes releases to both formats, and has stated that it will continue to do so, denying the strong rumor that it’s about to declare for BD exclusively. Paramount and DreamWorks’ defection from format agnostic to HD DVD-exclusive (in consideration of a reported $150 million financial incentive) did little to change the sales ratios. BD finished the year with a 2:1 disc sales advantage over HD DVD. And BD still has a 3.6:1 hardware installed base advantage over HD DVD. The much vaunted price advantage of HD DVD has eroded considerably. The costs of entry level players in both formats are within tens of dollars. And if one calculates the average price of all HD discs released in each format to date, BD would come in at $37.17 and HD DVD would be $35.83. At discount, the $1.34 average difference is actually closer to $0.94. Perhaps the counterproductive Combo disc drove up the average price of HD DVDs.

In a recent study by yet another market research firm, Understanding and Solutions, the firm believes that the erosion of the price differences may favor BD’s victory in 2008. The firm’s Jeremy Wills was quoted as saying, “Price reductions in the U.S. have continued into December, with Blu-ray players dropping below $300 for the first time and HD DVD players below $200. Crucially, Blu-ray benefits from stronger Hollywood studio support and represents a greater proportion of high-definition disc production volumes and disc sales. To date, Paramount’s move to sole support of HD DVD has failed to turn the market, despite the HD DVD exclusivity of key titles Transformers and Shrek the Third. Blu-ray still represented more than 70% of high-definition video sales in the U.S. during the week Transformers was released on HD DVD.” But due to the uncertainties of the marketplace, Understanding and Solutions’ director Jim Bottoms is more cautious, suggesting that the format war will last longer than previously thought.

Parting Thoughts

Everyone agrees that demand for HD content can only grow. Analog broadcasting will end in February of 2009. A third of all households are expected to have HD-capable displays by the end of 2008 and by 2011, the installed base of HD-ready sets will rise to 90%. That will only stimulate demand for high quality HD program material. I will once again state my hope that quality prevails and that this destructive format war ends in 2008.
I will add that the person he quoted about Transformers week was incorrect. Bluray won 51:49 not 70:30
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Old 12-31-2007, 11:51 PM   #2
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Dan Ramer from dvdfile.com provides yet another good bluray vs. HD-DVD article
I disagree about accepting Warner's back peddled statements at face value about them staying duel format. New CEOs are brought in for a reason and that is to give said company a new face as the face or figurehead responsible for a change in direction. What this does is create the illusion that the company wants to get rid of the old ideas and wants to embrace new ideas. All of this can be done without CEO replacement as the faceless machine i.e. the company/share holders dictate change/old business plans and saves face by replaceing the old CEO's face(s) and adds a new one which represents the intended change the company desires.

The fact that a new CEO is being brought in prepresents a complete change in business plan direction. A new CEO would not be neccessary if duel format support was to be business as usual. Warner is a mavrick company that will not be Microsoft or Toshiba's door mat by accepting a $400 million dollar bribe. No new CEO would be necessary if that was their intension either. So whats left? You guessed it! Blu-ray exclusivity.
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Old 01-01-2008, 12:14 AM   #3
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The fact that a new CEO is being brought in prepresents a complete change in business plan direction.
I think you have the wrong idea about the CEO change. It looks like more of a partial retirement of one CEO and natural promotion of somebody within the ranks to me. Parsons will be just the Chairman of the Board and Jeffrey Bewkes (who is President and COO today) will be CEO tomorrow, but will still retain the title of President according to the Time Warner site. One person posted that Bewkes has a contract which states he will also get to succeed Parsons as Chairman of the Board. Promoting a person from just below the CEO while the old CEO is head of the board is not normally a sign that things need to change. I think things will change as far as being neutral, but this CEO change from within should not be taken as a sign of that.

If Time Warner was going to make huge changes I think they would have been more likely to bring in somebody who wasn't just below Parsons (and the one who reportedly made the recommendation to Parsons to go neutral, which Parsons went with).

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I will add that the person he quoted about Transformers week was incorrect. Bluray won 51:49 not 70:30
51:49 was the ratio for the US for the transformers week. 70:30 was the international total for the transformers week. IMO the international total is much more important. as it is total sales not just sales for a select market. no company wants to shut themselves out of entire continents, so internationl totals are what is used when making decisions, thus the 70:30 instead of the 51:49. plus, it looks better
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Old 01-01-2008, 12:31 AM   #5
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I think you have the wrong idea about the CEO change. It looks like more of a partial retirement of one CEO and natural promotion of somebody within the ranks to me. Parsons will be just the Chairman of the Board and Jeffrey Bewkes (who is President and COO today) will be CEO tomorrow, but will still retain the title of President according to the Time Warner site. One person posted that Bewkes has a contract which states he will also get to succeed Parsons as Chairman of the Board. Promoting a person from just below the CEO while the old CEO is head of the board is not normally a sign that things need to change. I think things will change as far as being neutral, but this CEO change from within should not be taken as a sign of that.

If Time Warner was going to make huge changes I think they would have been more likely to bring in somebody who wasn't just below Parsons (and the one who reportedly made the recommendation to Parsons to go neutral, which Parsons went with).

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Hi Darin,

Not sure if you are talking about me here or not. I believe I posted that if Bewkes does not get the Chairmanship when Parsons steps out of that role at the end of 2008, he has an exit clause for his contract. that is different than a Guarantee of a Chairmanship. I read that in an article last week.

My Post about the NEW CEO, very detailed is here:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=28986
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Transformers week was actually 55-45 Blu-ray...

the numbers changed for whatever reason...

the numbers are on this forum somewhere...
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Transformers week was actually 55-45 Blu-ray...

the numbers changed for whatever reason...

the numbers are on this forum somewhere...
Actually the other poster was correct in it being 51:49.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=8608

Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending October 21th

WE: BD-51% HDD-49% YTD: BD-65% HDD-35% SI: BD-61% HDD-39%
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Old 01-01-2008, 02:19 AM   #8
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A very thoughtful article and what looks to be fair unbiased analysis. I'm sure the general tone of the article is going to anger HD DVD fanboys. They hate having their format's flaws brought into the cold harsh light of the truth. The new meme among them I've noticed lately is that the marketplace has rejected both formats(which is absolute nonsense).
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Very fair and reasonable writeup. However, when I'm that fair and reasonable with my kids about bedtime, they still whine and I'm still the badguy. I can only imagine how the HD-DVD kids feel about it.
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Old 01-01-2008, 06:39 PM   #10
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This is the part of the article sure to drive the red ants mad!

I don't know which figures are correct but I wouldn't be surprised if the figures quoted by The Don are correct. The original figures were 51:49 but then once it was clear Paramount was pulling out Transformers sales figures out of their ass, the new figure holds some merit IMO.
Unless Paramount was hacking the Videoscan system, I think you need to remove the cyan coloured glasses.
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Old 01-01-2008, 07:03 PM   #11
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The numbers for Transformers week were officially 51-49. 55-45 if I remember correctly was the week AFTER Transformers came out. Then it went back to the normal 60-40 range ratio.
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