Next-Gen Xbox Reportedly More Powerful Than The PS5 - Blu-ray Forum

x7q3 · 04-20-2019, 04:57 AM

https://sea.ign.com/xbox-one/148355/...erful-than-ps5

https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/04...tation-console

Sony Interactive Entertainment officially announced the PS5 this week and revealed some details about the next-gen console. According to PlayStation's lead system architect, Mark Cerny, the PS5 would be backward compatible with the PS4, have a load time over 19x faster than the PS4, 8K graphics, ray-tracing and other awesome features. While the machine by Sony has left fans excited, the team at Microsoft may have something more powerful.

Journalist Ainsley Bowden took to Twitter, claiming that the next-generation Xbox console, codename ‘Project Scarlett’, will be more advanced than Sony's system. Bowden would later say that the information comes from a known source in Microsoft who has been accurate for years on leaks. It may be possible that future Xbox console will suit up with better specifications and features, as Microsoft have made it clear that they want to have the most powerful next-generation console for the coming time.

gundamcero · 04-20-2019, 05:25 AM

Meh. Until they care about better games who gives a shit.

Batman90 · 04-20-2019, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gundamcero

Meh. Until they care about better games who gives a shit.

They’ve been buying up all kinds of studios this gen. So I’m pretty sure we will be seeing as better games then what we have been.

gundamcero · 04-20-2019, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Batman90

They’ve been buying up all kinds of studios this gen. So I’m pretty sure we will be seeing as better games then what we have been.

I'll believe it when it happens.

Derb · 04-20-2019, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by gundamcero

Meh. Until they care about better games who gives a shit.

lol

I do believe they will have the more powerful console. But like ya said..

GRD43L · 04-22-2019, 02:14 PM

Best driver of launch sales is price.

Second driver is power. Then comes exclusive games.

Reason = Majority of buyers are not concerned about power & exclusivity; they want to have a system that'll play GTA, CoD, Fortnite, etc. fast and pretty.

These non-exclusive games determine the long term success of a console. AND, the size of online community is a large factor. Cheaper console, all other things being pretty much equal, drive the sales. Sales determine the size of console community and the size of console community determines major publisher's interests. XB360 had it, and now PS4 has it.

Whoever has the best PRICE x POWER combination is going to dominate. Sony has been very conservative in their hardware offerings, i.e. Sony gives you what they can while ensuring their profit. I think MS is little more aggressive in taking bold risks. Kinect was this gen's bold decision. This failed because it prioritized on EXCLUSIVITY, compromised POWER (less $ was available), and absolutely killed the PRICE (killed as in bad kill, not the good kill). Next gen's bold decision is going to packing as much power as possible while keeping the price low (and this is exactly what people want). Exclusive game is icing on the cake.

Nintendo, on the other hand, was always a player because they still had 2 out of 3; PRICE x EXCLUSIVITY (a lot of children friendly titles).

Let's look at this gen's success using some numbers (hindsight is so easy):

Console Attractive at Launch = Price x Power x Exclusivity. 3 as the top mark since there are 3 players. (In reality, price really should have top mark of 5)

PS4 = 2 x 3 x 3 = 18
XB1 = 1 x 2 x 1 = 2
Switch = 3 x 1 x 2 = 6

What about next gen? Sony has already stated that their price will match the technology offerings (sound similar to XB1X, does it not?) This places PS5's launch price higher than U$400, most likely at U$450. This makes MS's job easy, IF, XB2 is more powerful than PS5 as initial rumour suggests. MS can offer XB2 at the same price or really drive the sales at U$400.

At the launch of this gen it was initialled stated, 'this is not a short term win' but short term dominance absolutely determines the long term dominance because of the importance of the SIZE of the community & $ available to consumers.

Sony cannot price PS5 high because they will lose. MS will price XB2 as same as PS5 or lower to win back the community. Either way, it is a win-win for us consumers.

Petra_Kalbrain · 04-22-2019, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gundamcero

Meh. Until they care about better games who gives a shit.

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Originally Posted by Derb

lol

I do believe they will have the more powerful console. But like ya said..

PenguinInfinity · 04-22-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GRD43L

Best driver of launch sales is price.

Second driver is power. Then comes exclusive games.

Reason = Majority of buyers are not concerned about power & exclusivity; they want to have a system that'll play GTA, CoD, Fortnite, etc. fast and pretty.

At launch the majority of non-exclusive games will likely also be available on previous generation systems (just as they were in the 7th and 8th generations). If people just want a cheap system that will play the latest GTA, CoD, and Fortnite games then they won't be buying a PS5 or new Xbox at launch at all they'll just stick with PS4 or XBO.

Let's look at the PS4 launch games as an example:

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All of them were also available on PS3 and Xbox 360 except Killzone, Knack, and Drive Club which were exclusively available on PS4. Not a single game was available on both PS4 and Xbox One, but not available on PS3 or Xbox 360. Exclusive games are always important for anyone who is buying a new console near launch. Everyone else will just stick with previous consoles until the new ones drop in price.

Furthermore since the PS5 will be backwards compatible with PS4 games that means the PS5 will automatically have a price advantage for all current PS4 owners since they can sell their PS4 to offset the cost. The same will likely apply to Xbox One owners upgrading to the new Xbox as well, but there are a lot less of them.

R3P0 · 04-22-2019, 03:45 PM

Power means crap when you dont have the games

PlayStation has a fuller lineup of exclusives compared to MS

MS Top Exclusives are

Forza
Halo
Crimson Dragons
Sunset Overdrive

Playstation

Uncharted
Last of Us 1/2
GOW
Gran Turismo
MLB Series
Final Fantasy VII <-- Make no mistake when this drops it will be Huge

MS was smart buying up studios this Gen but they screwed the pooch by letting themselves get into this situation to begin with.

GRD43L · 04-22-2019, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by R3P0

Power means crap when you dont have the games

PlayStation has a fuller lineup of exclusives compared to MS

MS Top Exclusives are

Forza
Halo
Crimson Dragons
Sunset Overdrive

Playstation

Uncharted
Last of Us 1/2
GOW
Gran Turismo
MLB Series
Final Fantasy VII <-- Make no mistake when this drops it will be Huge

MS was smart buying up studios this Gen but they screwed the pooch by letting themselves get into this situation to begin with.

And large game publishers go to the console with the larger fanbase. Exclusive games, while great, do not have steer the direction significantly.

As for Final Fantasy VII being huge . . . XB has XV, Maxima, VII, IX, X, and XII so there is no longer Sony advantage.

MS did botch the launch but they have learned their lesson and changed their direction completely. It's not about what they messed up in the past, it's where they are now and their direction going forward.

Lastly about the power meaning crap, Sony+fans were all over MS not having enough power at launch. It wasn't power that shifted the momentum from MS>Sony, it was the unnecessary Kinect + $100 above the price of PS4. That was a no brainer.

R3P0 · 04-22-2019, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GRD43L

And large game publishers go to the console with the larger fanbase. Exclusive games, while great, do not have steer the direction significantly.

As for Final Fantasy VII being huge . . . XB has XV, Maxima, VII, IX, X, and XII so there is no longer Sony advantage.

MS did botch the launch but they have learned their lesson and changed their direction completely. It's not about what they messed up in the past, it's where they are now and their direction going forward.

Lastly about the power meaning crap, Sony+fans were all over MS not having enough power at launch. It wasn't power that shifted the momentum from MS>Sony, it was the unnecessary Kinect + $100 above the price of PS4. That was a no brainer.

Power does mean crap it wasnt power that shifted the wars it was the fact MS was FUBAR with the entire game being locked to the console thing at launch at 500 USD. The original Xbox One would not allow you to sell used games or trade them. MANY people said despite MS reneging on that 4 weeks after E3 they would not purchase a Xbox simply because MS could turn that all back on at any time.

Not to mention the Kinect always being on at a time when MS got nailed for invading privacy rights and handing over personal data to the govt. Those were MS 3 biggest mistakes.

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As for Final Fantasy VII being huge . . . XB has XV, Maxima, VII, IX, X, and XII so there is no longer Sony advantage.

Sony will have the advantage here because VII is exclusive to the PS4/5, those others you listed are cross platform. My argument was for exclusive titles not cross platform.

As I said MS bought a ton of studios this generation so I fully expect them to have a much better exclusive lineup next gen. Just right now Sony has the better exclusives which is what sells the home consoles as well as cross platform games.

MS lost some of the exclusives they had IE Titanfall, if they were truly smart they would buy one of the major studios IE Bethesda or RockStar and make those games Xbox One exclusive. Could you imagine if Jedi Fallen Order was exclusive to Xbox or GTA or Red Dead. That would be the move that would turn the tide for MS.

I always loved the Xbox controller I find it 100x more comfortable then the Dualshock PS controller. for me personally MS just made very bad launch day decisions.

Steelmaker · 04-22-2019, 05:43 PM

The next Xbox may have a slight edge over PS5 when comparing spec sheets. However I guarantee you on-screen there will be no appreciable differences in game performance. This won't be a repeat of the PS4 Pro/X1X. The X1X came out a year later than the Pro and cost 100.00 more. Assuming that both the PS5/next Xbox launches next year, both consoles are going to be WELL within the same ballpark of performance. It'll be like comparing the latest iPhone with the latest Galaxy. If the next Xbox is significantly more powerful than PS5, its because it's either significantly more expensive and/or coming at a significantly later date.

Musashi · 04-22-2019, 07:34 PM

We really have nothing to go on as far as how the specs will stack up. The supposedly reliable leak source was one within Microsoft, thus wouldn't be privy to PS5 specs. Neither can noticeably outperform the other without a higher price anyway.

Steelmaker · 04-22-2019, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Musashi

We really have nothing to go on as far as how the specs will stack up. The supposedly reliable leak source was one within Microsoft, thus wouldn't be privy to PS5 specs. Neither can noticeably outperform the other without a higher price anyway.

For me, it doesnt even matter. If graphics were that important to me I would play PC. No graphical difference between the two consoles will be enough to pull me out of the PlayStation ecosystem. The franchises there are too important to me. I'm already sold with PS5.

Derb · 04-23-2019, 09:14 AM

Obsidian & Team Ninja are good ones MS bought.

Are there any other Studio’s they bought that were not already paid by MS to make exclusives for them?

dyne · 04-23-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Derb

Obsidian & Team Ninja are good ones MS bought.

Are there any other Studio’s they bought that were not already paid by MS to make exclusives for them?

Team Ninja (Ninja Gaiden, DoA) is a Koei Tecmo company. You mean Ninja Theory (Hellblade, Enslaved).

Inxile and Compulsion Games were not currently making exclusives when they were bought. Obsidian actually was making an exclusive back in 2011 called Stormlands but that was cancelled.

R3P0 · 04-23-2019, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Derb

Obsidian & Team Ninja are good ones MS bought.

Are there any other Studio’s they bought that were not already paid by MS to make exclusives for them?

MS bought 5 studios so there are currently 5 exclusives in the works, as I said I expect MS to lay some good groundwork at E3 with neither Nintendo or Sony at the conference all eyes are on MS this year.

Derb · 04-23-2019, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by R3P0

MS bought 5 studios so there are currently 5 exclusives in the works, as I said I expect MS to lay some good groundwork at E3 with neither Nintendo or Sony at the conference all eyes are on MS this year.

Well the next big one won’t be exclusive being Outer Worlds. After that, we’ll see. More Forza & than whatever Ninja is working on.

GRD43L · 04-23-2019, 01:28 PM

IMO, I think MS will take more risks while Sony remains conservative.

Consumers will vote for what they like with $$$. Time will certainly tell. It will be fun to see the competition unfold . . .

bradnoyes · 04-25-2019, 03:49 PM

I'm gonna end up getting both, so...

The PS5 will be my priority since I already sold my PS4 and I'll be eager to hopefully redownload my digital library of PS4 games thanks to BC. Plus, I primarily game on PC so I won't be missing many Xbox games. But I'm pretty impressed with the Xbone X and I think MS is going to put to real effort into their next console, both in terms of hardware and software. Should be a good time for gaming.

04-20-2019, 04:57 AM	#1
x7q3 Active Member Member since:Mar 2018	Next-Gen Xbox Reportedly More Powerful Than The PS5 https://sea.ign.com/xbox-one/148355/...erful-than-ps5 https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/04...tation-console Sony Interactive Entertainment officially announced the PS5 this week and revealed some details about the next-gen console. According to PlayStation's lead system architect, Mark Cerny, the PS5 would be backward compatible with the PS4, have a load time over 19x faster than the PS4, 8K graphics, ray-tracing and other awesome features. While the machine by Sony has left fans excited, the team at Microsoft may have something more powerful. Journalist Ainsley Bowden took to Twitter, claiming that the next-generation Xbox console, codename ‘Project Scarlett’, will be more advanced than Sony's system. Bowden would later say that the information comes from a known source in Microsoft who has been accurate for years on leaks. It may be possible that future Xbox console will suit up with better specifications and features, as Microsoft have made it clear that they want to have the most powerful next-generation console for the coming time.

04-22-2019, 02:14 PM	#6
GRD43L Power Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2018 Location:Region A 4K collection:29 Blu-ray collection:253 Blu-ray reviews:4	Best driver of launch sales is price. Second driver is power. Then comes exclusive games. Reason = Majority of buyers are not concerned about power & exclusivity; they want to have a system that'll play GTA, CoD, Fortnite, etc. fast and pretty. These non-exclusive games determine the long term success of a console. AND, the size of online community is a large factor. Cheaper console, all other things being pretty much equal, drive the sales. Sales determine the size of console community and the size of console community determines major publisher's interests. XB360 had it, and now PS4 has it. Whoever has the best PRICE x POWER combination is going to dominate. Sony has been very conservative in their hardware offerings, i.e. Sony gives you what they can while ensuring their profit. I think MS is little more aggressive in taking bold risks. Kinect was this gen's bold decision. This failed because it prioritized on EXCLUSIVITY, compromised POWER (less $ was available), and absolutely killed the PRICE (killed as in bad kill, not the good kill). Next gen's bold decision is going to packing as much power as possible while keeping the price low (and this is exactly what people want). Exclusive game is icing on the cake. Nintendo, on the other hand, was always a player because they still had 2 out of 3; PRICE x EXCLUSIVITY (a lot of children friendly titles). Let's look at this gen's success using some numbers (hindsight is so easy): Console Attractive at Launch = Price x Power x Exclusivity. 3 as the top mark since there are 3 players. (In reality, price really should have top mark of 5) PS4 = 2 x 3 x 3 = 18 XB1 = 1 x 2 x 1 = 2 Switch = 3 x 1 x 2 = 6 What about next gen? Sony has already stated that their price will match the technology offerings (sound similar to XB1X, does it not?) This places PS5's launch price higher than U$400, most likely at U$450. This makes MS's job easy, IF, XB2 is more powerful than PS5 as initial rumour suggests. MS can offer XB2 at the same price or really drive the sales at U$400. At the launch of this gen it was initialled stated, 'this is not a short term win' but short term dominance absolutely determines the long term dominance because of the importance of the SIZE of the community & $ available to consumers. Sony cannot price PS5 high because they will lose. MS will price XB2 as same as PS5 or lower to win back the community. Either way, it is a win-win for us consumers. Last edited by GRD43L; 04-22-2019 at 02:42 PM.

04-22-2019, 05:43 PM	#12
Steelmaker Blu-ray Duke Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Chattanooga, TN Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	The next Xbox may have a slight edge over PS5 when comparing spec sheets. However I guarantee you on-screen there will be no appreciable differences in game performance. This won't be a repeat of the PS4 Pro/X1X. The X1X came out a year later than the Pro and cost 100.00 more. Assuming that both the PS5/next Xbox launches next year, both consoles are going to be WELL within the same ballpark of performance. It'll be like comparing the latest iPhone with the latest Galaxy. If the next Xbox is significantly more powerful than PS5, its because it's either significantly more expensive and/or coming at a significantly later date. Last edited by Steelmaker; 04-22-2019 at 06:25 PM.

04-20-2019, 05:25 AM	#2
gundamcero Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2009 Location:US Blu-ray collection:50 Trading Score:207	Meh. Until they care about better games who gives a shit.

04-22-2019, 03:45 PM	#9
R3P0 Blu-ray Duke Member since:Jun 2008 Blu-ray collection:46 Trading Score:1	Power means crap when you dont have the games PlayStation has a fuller lineup of exclusives compared to MS MS Top Exclusives are Forza Halo Crimson Dragons Sunset Overdrive Playstation Uncharted Last of Us 1/2 GOW Gran Turismo MLB Series Final Fantasy VII <-- Make no mistake when this drops it will be Huge MS was smart buying up studios this Gen but they screwed the pooch by letting themselves get into this situation to begin with.

04-22-2019, 07:34 PM	#13
Musashi Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Manchester, CT Home Theater Gallery:5 4K collection:25 Blu-ray collection:337 Blu-ray reviews: 1	We really have nothing to go on as far as how the specs will stack up. The supposedly reliable leak source was one within Microsoft, thus wouldn't be privy to PS5 specs. Neither can noticeably outperform the other without a higher price anyway.

04-23-2019, 09:14 AM	#15
Derb Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Vancouver, B.C. Home Theater Gallery:11 4K collection:46 Blu-ray collection:3278 DVD collection:4 MA collection:3 Digital collection:7 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:51	Obsidian & Team Ninja are good ones MS bought. Are there any other Studio’s they bought that were not already paid by MS to make exclusives for them?

04-23-2019, 01:28 PM	#19
GRD43L Power Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2018 Location:Region A 4K collection:29 Blu-ray collection:253 Blu-ray reviews:4	IMO, I think MS will take more risks while Sony remains conservative. Consumers will vote for what they like with $$$. Time will certainly tell. It will be fun to see the competition unfold . . .

04-25-2019, 03:49 PM	#20
bradnoyes Blu-ray Knight Member since:Dec 2016 4K collection:775 Blu-ray collection:816 Trading Score:255	I'm gonna end up getting both, so... The PS5 will be my priority since I already sold my PS4 and I'll be eager to hopefully redownload my digital library of PS4 games thanks to BC. Plus, I primarily game on PC so I won't be missing many Xbox games. But I'm pretty impressed with the Xbone X and I think MS is going to put to real effort into their next console, both in terms of hardware and software. Should be a good time for gaming.

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