The Mother and the Wh0re (1973) 4K UHD (Criterion Collection) - Blu-ray Forum

MifuneFan · 10-15-2024, 04:40 PM

Jean Eustache's The Mother and The Wh0re (La Maman et La Putain) (1973) will be coming to 4K from Criterion in January.

The Mother and the Wh0re 4K UHD

https://www.criterion.com/films/3328...-and-the-*****

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4K UHD + BLU-RAY SPECIAL EDITION FEATURES

New 4K digital restoration, with uncompressed monaural soundtrack
One 4K UHD disc of the film and one Blu-ray with the film and special features
New interview with actor Françoise Lebrun
New conversation with filmmaker Jean-Pierre Gorin and writer Rachel Kushner
Program on the film’s restoration
Segment from the French television series Pour le cinéma featuring Lebrun, director Jean Eustache, and actors Bernadette Lafont and Jean-Pierre Léaud
Trailer
New English subtitle translation
PLUS: An essay by critic Lucy Sante and an introduction to the film by Eustache

New cover by Eric Skillman

themp3000 · 10-15-2024, 05:07 PM

Somehow I have to feel or get excited for this but I find myself really sad because the chance of them putting out the rest of the Eustache they are sitting on is almost nonexistent now. This doesn’t bode well for Jacques Rozier.

Gacivory · 10-15-2024, 05:18 PM

So excited for this! Never expected it to get a 4K!

PowellPressburger · 10-15-2024, 05:20 PM

totally supporting this release for the 4K.. feels like Criterion is all in on 4K at this point.

PullBackCamera · 10-15-2024, 08:01 PM

Don't know what to say really. Criterion's SDR releases used to be in the minority, but just this last couple of months we've had 8 1/2, Scarface, Seven Samurai (saved by the BFI, praise be) and now Yojimbo, Sanjuro, Winchester '73 and La maman et la putain all without an HDR grade.

If no-one offers an alternative for La maman et la putain then I will buy this. It's one of the greatest films of all time and not hard to improve on an Artificial Eye VHS from the 90s! Hoping and praying however that BFI or another UK label can step in with an HDR pass - alongside an English-friendly release of Mes petites amoureuses, Le cochon and the rest.

MifuneFan · 10-15-2024, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PullBackCamera

Don't know what to say really. Criterion's SDR releases used to be in the minority, but just this last couple of months we've had 8 1/2, Scarface, Seven Samurai (saved by the BFI, praise be) and now Yojimbo, Sanjuro, Winchester '73 and La maman et la putain all without an HDR grade.

If no-one offers an alternative for La maman et la putain then I will buy this. It's one of the greatest films of all time and not hard to improve on an Artificial Eye VHS tape from the 90s! Hoping and praying however that BFI or another UK label can step in with an HDR pass - alongside an English-friendly release of Mes petites amoureuses, Le cochon and the rest.

If the restoration didn't have an HDR pass, then the 4K won't have one either. Criterion really aren't in the business of adding their own to a restoration already completed by others.

StLouisRibs · 10-15-2024, 08:04 PM

Janus bought these titles in the UK as well, so should be releasing from Criterion over there as well.

PullBackCamera · 10-15-2024, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MifuneFan

If the restoration didn't have an HDR pass, then the 4K won't have one either. Criterion really aren't in the business of adding their own to a restoration already completed by others.

Yes yes. See the BFI's Seven Samurai + Seventh Seal and the upcoming Arrow Dollars Trilogy for how things should be done (I can still recall the 50+ pages of apologia for Kino's release of The Good, the Bad & the Ugly, how this was the best possible release given the master available, how a rescan or full regrade would be unaffordable, how the film didn't need HDR anyway, how it's never going to look any better and everyone should buy it, etc - it's going to be delicious when the Arrow drops).

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Originally Posted by StLouisRibs

Janus bought these titles in the UK as well, so should be releasing from Criterion over there as well.

nicwood · 10-15-2024, 10:42 PM

For anyone wishing to get a definitive version of all the Eustache films in a box set, Carlotta released a magnificent one this year. Encoding is by Fidelity in Motion and the discs look all obviously splendid. No English subs are included but you can find files online. I think this is our only chance at getting these films in a physical set for the time being, sadly.

Ellum · 10-16-2024, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PullBackCamera

...the upcoming Arrow Dollars Trilogy ... (

Has this been confirmed coming from Arrow or is it still rumors?

PullBackCamera · 10-16-2024, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nicwood

No English subs are included but you can find files online.

Mmm, not everyone has the desire to start ripping discs and re-authoriing with fan subs... Also, the Carlotta isn't even 4K.

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Originally Posted by Ellum

Has this been confirmed coming from Arrow or is it still rumors?

I'd call that more of an announcement than a rumour on the announcement/rumour scale.

kobbmba · 10-16-2024, 08:19 AM

what a puritanical forum

mande2013 · 10-16-2024, 09:09 AM

Is there any reason the word Wh*re needs to be censored on here? It seems very petty when it’s in the title of an important film such as this one.

PissedOffPeoN · 10-16-2024, 09:11 AM

How about WHO urs lol.

nicwood · 10-16-2024, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PullBackCamera

Mmm, not everyone has the desire to start ripping discs and re-authoriing with fan subs... Also, the Carlotta isn't even 4K.

Are you aware of a better alternative right now?

PullBackCamera · 10-21-2024, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nicwood

Are you aware of a better alternative right now?

After waiting 25 years to upgrade, what's another 25, am I right?

PullBackCamera · 11-06-2024, 04:36 PM

UK release listed, so I bought it.

nicwood · 11-06-2024, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PullBackCamera

UK release listed, so I bought it.

What?! Am I dreaming? You bought a SDR release? So after Monday’s The Searchers miracle, yesterday’s The Third Man audio miracle, today you blessed us with another one.

PullBackCamera · 11-07-2024, 09:37 AM

Well... It's La maman et la putain at the end of the day. And as far as a version with English subs, I'm guessing this is as good as we're going to get for some years.

Sadly, the HDR/SDR conundrum seems to be going the way of Betamax. No-one can sensibly argue that HDR isn't preferable, but not enough consumers seem to care for independent rights holders and labels to go the extra mile a lot of the time.

amputd · 11-14-2024, 07:23 PM

I’ve passed on a lot of 4k discs because of no HDR. I can’t afford to upgrade everything, and so it makes it an easy pass. This is a tough one though. Such a rare film.

10-15-2024, 05:07 PM	#2
themp3000 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2010 4K collection:384 Blu-ray collection:1803 DVD collection:107 Trading Score:103	Somehow I have to feel or get excited for this but I find myself really sad because the chance of them putting out the rest of the Eustache they are sitting on is almost nonexistent now. This doesn’t bode well for Jacques Rozier.

10-15-2024, 05:18 PM	#3
Gacivory Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2016 Location:Los Angeles, California 4K collection:1121 Blu-ray collection:5612 DVD collection:183 Digital collection:25 Trading Score:1	So excited for this! Never expected it to get a 4K!

10-15-2024, 05:20 PM	#4
PowellPressburger Blu-ray Count Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:DIFFERENT PLACES! Minneapolis 4K collection:993 Blu-ray collection:3678 DVD collection:359 Blu-ray reviews: 51 Trading Score:297	totally supporting this release for the 4K.. feels like Criterion is all in on 4K at this point.

10-15-2024, 08:01 PM	#5
PullBackCamera Expert Member Member since:Dec 2020	Don't know what to say really. Criterion's SDR releases used to be in the minority, but just this last couple of months we've had 8 1/2, Scarface, Seven Samurai (saved by the BFI, praise be) and now Yojimbo, Sanjuro, Winchester '73 and La maman et la putain all without an HDR grade. If no-one offers an alternative for La maman et la putain then I will buy this. It's one of the greatest films of all time and not hard to improve on an Artificial Eye VHS from the 90s! Hoping and praying however that BFI or another UK label can step in with an HDR pass - alongside an English-friendly release of Mes petites amoureuses, Le cochon and the rest.

10-15-2024, 08:04 PM	#7
StLouisRibs Special Member Top contributor Member since:May 2009 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- Trading Score:6	Janus bought these titles in the UK as well, so should be releasing from Criterion over there as well.

10-15-2024, 10:42 PM	#9
nicwood Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2018 Location:Germany Trading Score:2	For anyone wishing to get a definitive version of all the Eustache films in a box set, Carlotta released a magnificent one this year. Encoding is by Fidelity in Motion and the discs look all obviously splendid. No English subs are included but you can find files online. I think this is our only chance at getting these films in a physical set for the time being, sadly.

10-16-2024, 08:19 AM	#12
kobbmba New Member Member since:Oct 2024	what a puritanical forum

10-16-2024, 09:09 AM	#13
mande2013 Special Member Member since:Nov 2014 Location:Paris, France 4K collection:65 Blu-ray collection:322	Is there any reason the word Wh*re needs to be censored on here? It seems very petty when it’s in the title of an important film such as this one.

10-16-2024, 09:11 AM	#14
PissedOffPeoN Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Nov 2013 Location:Missouri Trading Score:68	How about WHO urs lol.

11-06-2024, 04:36 PM	#17
PullBackCamera Expert Member Member since:Dec 2020	UK release listed, so I bought it.

11-07-2024, 09:37 AM	#19
PullBackCamera Expert Member Member since:Dec 2020	Well... It's La maman et la putain at the end of the day. And as far as a version with English subs, I'm guessing this is as good as we're going to get for some years. Sadly, the HDR/SDR conundrum seems to be going the way of Betamax. No-one can sensibly argue that HDR isn't preferable, but not enough consumers seem to care for independent rights holders and labels to go the extra mile a lot of the time.

11-14-2024, 07:23 PM	#20
amputd Expert Member Member since:Jul 2011 4K collection:1013 Blu-ray collection:4239 Blu-ray reviews: 71	I’ve passed on a lot of 4k discs because of no HDR. I can’t afford to upgrade everything, and so it makes it an easy pass. This is a tough one though. Such a rare film.

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