Epson 5050 / 6050 projector

[robert kaplan]

Has anyone had a chance to view a 3D movie on either of these machine? Wondering about cross talk with each. Would appreciate your opinion if you have seen them in action.
Thank you.

[Adam_WM]

I have a previous model and love it. I would imagine it would be just as good. Epson 3D is awesome.

[ZIROK]

I have an a 5010 and the 3d is awesome. no Crosstalk , Imagine a newer model is just as good or even better .

[robert kaplan]

Thank you for your above comments. Makes me want to keep moving forward!!

[ckyllr]

Originally Posted by robert kaplan

Thank you for your above comments. Makes me want to keep moving forward!!

Did you ever move forward with this? I just bought the Epson 5050ub and just waiting on my 3D glasses to test this projector. Just wondering what your thoughts were.

[ryudoadema]

My 5040ub has crosstalk. Not a lot with the right settings except for certain movies like the Lichtmond series and ones that are made to really take advantage of 3d. Those are nearly unwatchable. I am looking to find a bright DLP just for 3d to supplement the 5040ub's excellent 2d pic. It does have good brightness in 3d at least.

[ckyllr]

Just wanted to update with my experience with the Epson 5050ub. I was at first very disappointed with 3D on this set especially coming from my passive 65" LG OLED TV and after demos after demos using Samsung active 3D glasses which I already had from my previous TV... I gave up and strictly used the projector for 2D viewing only and 3D on the LG OLED and this was back in March of this year.

The problem was, any 3D movies I had, the kids wanted to watch it on the big screen and forego the 3D on the LG (I guess screen size does matter... I have 150" screen currently) and they said that 2D on the big screen is better than the 3D on mere 65" TV. So.. I had to give up watching all of my 3D movies to strictly 2D and even though the big screen helps, I was still missing out on the 3D.

So.... being active participant on AVSForums, Epson released a new firmware for my projector and people were using the Xpand X105 3D glasses with really good results so I gave it a shot over the weekend with optimized picture setting as well for 3D and OMG... I was blown away. 3D on the big screen is like an experience like no other. I watched countless demos after demos of many 3D movies and it was so amazing... Epson had too many crosstalk, it was dim, and flickering of the active glasses made the experience really bad but all that was gone now. Not sure if it was the firmware, the new 3D glasses, or what but the 3D experience I was getting far surpassed the experience I have with my passive OLED TV.

So... I brought my kids for a 3D demo and since I only had 1 glasses, I had to do it individually but they were blown away too. They were like OMG OMG...haha... they were blown away like I was. They were saying this was so much better than the TV and even the 3D was more effective they were saying. Anyway, had to order 3 more glasses (they are not cheap btw) so that our family of 4 could enjoy 3D again at last.

With that said, I think a proper projector with right active 3D glasses will blow anyone away and who says 3D is dead? This week, our movie nights will only be in 3D!

[HDM_fan]

Haven’t tried 5050UB, but crosstalk and ghosting was awful on 5040. I switched to DLP, which is rock solid for 3D. Currently have a BenQ HT3550.

[ckyllr]

Originally Posted by HDM_fan

Haven’t tried 5050UB, but crosstalk and ghosting was awful on 5040. I switched to DLP, which is rock solid for 3D. Currently have a BenQ HT3550.

I had that experienced that as well... but not anymore. Not sure if it is new firmware or the Xpand 3D glasses or the combo but it is so much better and the picture quality is superb with right amount of brightness.

The DLP projectors I tried in the past was decent but it was much dimmer (only with 3D since the DLP 3D glasses really reduced that. For other contents it is bright still) and the blacks and contrast wasn't enough for me... so had to return. I had tried the HT3550 as well.

I'm sure you are experiencing similar setup as me and 3D and big screen ... it will hard to go back to TV size.

[Yungheat]

What’s the best 3D glasses to use for the 6050

[ckyllr]

Originally Posted by Yungheat

What’s the best 3D glasses to use for the 6050

I had the best luck with the Xpand X105-X1-RF... they are about $40 from Amazon. I also had the Epson OEM ones but it dim the picture more than the Xpand but it was just as good. It was also more comfortable too but it cost more... Worst for me was any of the active Samsung glasses made for their 3D TV.

[Gellert]

I have owned an Epson 5050UB for nearly two years now and I can offer some advice for this supposed crosstalk some users say they experience. In the projector's 3D settings, you MUST make sure that 3D DEPTH is set to "0" - ZERO. If your projector came out of the box on +1 or more, or -1 or less, you will DEFINITELY get crosstalk.

Now for the second part. Your disc player will have an option in its settings for your display screen's diagonal measurement. If the 3D movie you are watching is in 16:9, you MUST enter the correct diagonal measurement in the disc player's settings. If you have a widescreen 2.39:1 like me, and the 3D movie is in widescreen format, you MUST set the disc player's diagonal measurement to include your entire screen - which will be a different measurement than a 16:9 movie. Example: I set my disc player's settings to 120" screen with a 16:9 3D movie and 150" for a 2.35:1 widescreen (cinescope) movie.

If you follow these two settings exactly, your crosstalk experience will be at the absolute minimum. As for 3D glasses, my wife and I are HUGE fans of Scarlett Heaven glasses from Denmark. Absolutely the best we own - better than Epson's own glasses which are damn pricey. Shipping will be 10-14 days.

Link is here ------https://www.hi-shock.de/en/rf-pro-sc...heaven-fhd3drf

[ryudoadema]

Just popped in and noticed I damned the 5040's 3d awhile back and never gave it the redemption story it deserved. This goes for the 5050 as well as the corresponding 60 series. I now love the 3d on this, and very glad I gave it more of a chance before going back to dlp.

To minimize crosstalk:

3D Brightness = Low
Dynamic Iris = Off

Try to watch from the center of the glasses, as looking through them at an angle or on the sides can contribute a little to crosstalk.

On some content that has minimal crosstalk potential, I can go up to medium "3d brightness" with still no or very little c/t, but Low will always be the least c/t at the expense of brightness. The medium and high setting sync the lenses to each stay open a tiny bit longer. That allows more light through, but also allows each eye a greater potential to see a little more of the other eyes frame ie crosstalk.

Not sure on this one, but some say crosstalk may get better as the projector warms up a bit. Doesn't matter for me as the first two settings above eliminates or nearly eliminates it depending on content.

My experience with the depth setting is this:

I leave it at 0 or + 1. All it does is separate everything more or less by the same amount. So no extra separation between layers, just everything pushed back into or out of the screen equally.

This can have the effect of eliminating or adding crosstalk on a per layer basis. It may get rid of c/t on one layer, but add it to another.

It's also possible to help get rid of crosstalk on one problem layer, and the movie doesn't have much of a problem on other layers so it could be overall beneficial. Or it could have the opposite effect and be detrimental overall.

So if you are having a lot of bothersome crosstalk, pause it on a scene with it. You can then change the depth setting until that c/t goes away. This may solve the issue for the movie, or just move the c/t to other layers (may be better/worse/same).

I find 0 or +1 to be a good middle ground and don't bother messing with it because I get so little c/t with the above settings. More than half of the 3d movies I watch I only notice any crosstalk if I move my head up or down too much and look out of the edges of the glasses, and I'm super sensitive to it. I was actually surprised to see one tiny hint of it in one scene in Noah for the first time in quite a few movies.

Glasses:

My favorite after trying 6 or 7 pairs including genuine Epson is XPAND X105-RF-X1. The price on these have gone up on Amazon lately and are hovering around $50. I think you can get genuine Epson off Aliexpress for less, albeit would have to wait 1-2 months. They are great too, but just a bit dimmer.

[cmay91472]

Originally Posted by ryudoadema

Glasses:[/B][/U]

My favorite after trying 6 or 7 pairs including genuine Epson is XPAND X105-RF-X1. The price on these have gone up on Amazon lately and are hovering around $50. I think you can get genuine Epson off Aliexpress for less, albeit would have to wait 1-2 months. They are great too, but just a bit dimmer.

I’m still hoping to find something better than the X105s.

When I switched from an Optoma to Epson, I assumed the XPands RF glasses would be similar to their amazing DLP glasses. Those were sturdy, fit over glasses and had nice sized lenses.

The RF version is flimsy, does not fit well over glasses and has smaller lenses. It’s a shame as XPands DLP were probably the nicest 3D glasses I’ve ever had. If I could find a really nice pair of RF 3D glasses, I would probably be watching more 3D especially with how bright and vibrant the 3D is on Epson’s laser projectors (LS500).

[ckyllr]

Originally Posted by ryudoadema

Just popped in and noticed I damned the 5040's 3d awhile back and never gave it the redemption story it deserved. This goes for the 5050 as well as the corresponding 60 series. I now love the 3d on this, and very glad I gave it more of a chance before going back to dlp.

To minimize crosstalk:

3D Brightness = Low
Dynamic Iris = Off

Try to watch from the center of the glasses, as looking through them at an angle or on the sides can contribute a little to crosstalk.

On some content that has minimal crosstalk potential, I can go up to medium "3d brightness" with still no or very little c/t, but Low will always be the least c/t at the expense of brightness. The medium and high setting sync the lenses to each stay open a tiny bit longer. That allows more light through, but also allows each eye a greater potential to see a little more of the other eyes frame ie crosstalk.

Not sure on this one, but some say crosstalk may get better as the projector warms up a bit. Doesn't matter for me as the first two settings above eliminates or nearly eliminates it depending on content.

My experience with the depth setting is this:

I leave it at 0 or + 1. All it does is separate everything more or less by the same amount. So no extra separation between layers, just everything pushed back into or out of the screen equally.

This can have the effect of eliminating or adding crosstalk on a per layer basis. It may get rid of c/t on one layer, but add it to another.

It's also possible to help get rid of crosstalk on one problem layer, and the movie doesn't have much of a problem on other layers so it could be overall beneficial. Or it could have the opposite effect and be detrimental overall.

So if you are having a lot of bothersome crosstalk, pause it on a scene with it. You can then change the depth setting until that c/t goes away. This may solve the issue for the movie, or just move the c/t to other layers (may be better/worse/same).

I find 0 or +1 to be a good middle ground and don't bother messing with it because I get so little c/t with the above settings. More than half of the 3d movies I watch I only notice any crosstalk if I move my head up or down too much and look out of the edges of the glasses, and I'm super sensitive to it. I was actually surprised to see one tiny hint of it in one scene in Noah for the first time in quite a few movies.

Glasses:

My favorite after trying 6 or 7 pairs including genuine Epson is XPAND X105-RF-X1. The price on these have gone up on Amazon lately and are hovering around $50. I think you can get genuine Epson off Aliexpress for less, albeit would have to wait 1-2 months. They are great too, but just a bit dimmer.

Thank you so much for the information ryudoadema! I completely agree with you on this matter and my results are the same.

3D on this machine is amazing... I still don't think people realize this. I have been watching 3D at home for more than a decade now and this setup has been the best experience ever. By they way I have 6 pairs of Xpands ... should have bought more when they were cheaper but hopefully 6 is all I need.

[pizzosteez]

Was thinking about taking the leap on this once my Bravia dies. Curious about a few things, please excuse my ignorance.

1. Does this unit have some sort of screen that it projects to, or does it just shoot on the wall?

2. How does the picture look during the day time? Is it crisp, beautiful colors or does it look washed out because of the light in the room?

3. How does one attach a blu-ray player to this if this is mounted on the ceiling? Is there a separate box that hooks direct to the TV?

Any help is appreciated. Apologies for my lack of knowledge in this department.

[greg3d]

I have a 5030. I project on a wall, which gives me about a 120 in diameter. Mine is a light blue/gray color, which improves the contrast some. A light Gray will work also. There are screen paints available if you really need optimum brightness. Projectors are not ideal in a bright room. I have blackout curtains in my movie room, but usually I’m watching at night.

[b_scott]

my 5040 is pretty good though anything above Low brightness I see crosstalk (outlines from the other eye). I don't really understand that since you should only be seeing the one eye at a time if the glasses hz is synced.

I'm using the Elikliv glasses from Amazon and they last a really long time and are very large and comfortable.

[trialobite]

Originally Posted by b_scott

my 5040 is pretty good though anything above Low brightness I see crosstalk (outlines from the other eye). I don't really understand that since you should only be seeing the one eye at a time if the glasses hz is synced.

I'm using the Elikliv glasses from Amazon and they last a really long time and are very large and comfortable.

With the 3D brightness setting on “Low” for my 5050, I have almost 0 crosstalk. I use XpanD X105 glasses. Screen should have no impact on ghosting.

[b_scott]

Originally Posted by trialobite

With the 3D brightness setting on “Low” for my 5050, I have almost 0 crosstalk. I use XpanD X105 glasses. Screen should have no impact on ghosting.

Thanks. I do like my glasses and it's very weird because sometimes - I'll see zero ghosting at all. I haven't figured out the magic sauce yet. I think sometimes that it works best if I turn on the projector and the 820 BR player from off and only play a movie that way. Without being on another input first. I know that sounds silly by the other night Nemo was flawless.

I can't get those XPand glasses anymore so I can't do an A-B test.

Does anyone recommend any glasses for smaller children's heads? The ones I have don't stay on my 4 year old's ears well...