Help Me Understand...

[Noe1da]

4K for the win... thanks for all your responses. It was very helpful. Case closed.

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

The format is more than just resolution, Not that hard to understand if you try to do some research..

At least my two cents...

[StrayButler91]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsr...ature=youtu.be

[Quint van der Vaart]

A good disc isn't always shot in 4K, there are enough examples of titles with 2k DI's that look fantastic on 4k disc.
For me it works like this.....I bought laserdiscs , I bought dvd's and I never bought many Blu-Rays....I buy 4k discs because of picture AND sound quality.
I have over a 100 4k discs now but I don't buy everything, some I buy later on when it's discounted.

No one is forcing you to buy 4k discs, if you are satisfied with the quality of standard Blu-Ray discs than why not buy those.

[Geoff D]

Heh. The studios reissue these movies over and over with all kinds of gimmicky packaging and people buy them (I can't believe how much cash people spunk on those tat-filled releases from the likes of film arena, plain archive etc) so at least this is a "gimmick" that might actually benefit the content at hand, the discussion of which as to the pros and cons has been done to death in a load of threads, there's even one going on just a few places below your brand new thread.

[DJR662]

Imagine if only native 4K movies would be released on UHD...

[lquevideo]

come for the resolution, stay for the extended range of colors and dynamic range.

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by Noe1da

I do not understand the desire that all these people have for a 4K release of every single thing that comes out. If the film was not shot in 4K what are the motives behind wanting it to be an official 4K/UHD release. I happen to think its somewhat gimmicky and a way for companies to make a buck off the same movie we have all bought multiple times already (DVD/Bluray). Now if the movie was shot in 4K (or higher i.e. The Martian (6K) among many many others) I could definitely understand wanting to have it in this format. As we all experienced with the advent of DVD and then Blu-ray we found that some companies did a great job with their transfers/scans and others did not. This will obviously also be part of the 4K generation for releases too. I will definitely be watching the release reviews of these before I go buy a film for a 3rd time! LOL Not trying to argue with anyone. Just trying to understand...

Here's the on-going debate on the topic that may help

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=300856

Here's a thread discussing 2k transfers:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...6&highlight=2k

This another thread asking if 2k transfers are worth it (but the thread above helps to answer that question)

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...9&highlight=2k

[nick4Knight]

Okay... So... THIS one has to be a troll job, right? We just had one recently start up with many replies??? And now this guy steps in and, come on... This one just has to be the thread that broke the camels back on the notion that this is a good faith ignorance these folk have... I'm just struggling with this one.

Not even gonna pad the OP with faux nicety to meet his faux-K slandering. You're stupid if you think there is no reason for 4K titles to exist of the 99+% of CGI movies in which the CGI is not in native 4K rendering!

And when I say stupid, I'm talking clinically speaking.

[Geoff D]

TBH this is why some people react like they do to these questions, those aksing them have already made up their minds without even bothering to look on the first page of the thread topics to see if anything similar is already being discussed. And when you've been following this format for more than two years it can get a little tiresome to keep fielding the same old uninformed nonsense (even if posed with the best of intentions).

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by Noe1da

I do not understand the desire that all these people have for a 4K release of every single thing that comes out. If the film was not shot in 4K what are the motives behind wanting it to be an official 4K/UHD release. I happen to think its somewhat gimmicky and a way for companies to make a buck off the same movie we have all bought multiple times already (DVD/Bluray). Now if the movie was shot in 4K (or higher i.e. The Martian (6K) among many many others) I could definitely understand wanting to have it in this format. As we all experienced with the advent of DVD and then Blu-ray we found that some companies did a great job with their transfers/scans and others did not. This will obviously also be part of the 4K generation for releases too. I will definitely be watching the release reviews of these before I go buy a film for a 3rd time! LOL Not trying to argue with anyone. Just trying to understand...

I totally agree. I am still watching movies on my 19" Goldstar TV/VHS combo player hooked up to my Aiwa boombox and just laugh at all these people who are constantly upgrading.

Don't even get me started on car audio.. My 8track player in my car continues to provide enjoyment for me and my family while all these younger people keep raving about compact discs and Zune players...

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by Noe1da

I do not understand the desire that all these people have for a 4K release of every single thing that comes out. If the film was not shot in 4K what are the motives behind wanting it to be an official 4K/UHD release. I happen to think its somewhat gimmicky and a way for companies to make a buck off the same movie we have all bought multiple times already (DVD/Bluray). Now if the movie was shot in 4K (or higher i.e. The Martian (6K) among many many others) I could definitely understand wanting to have it in this format. As we all experienced with the advent of DVD and then Blu-ray we found that some companies did a great job with their transfers/scans and others did not. This will obviously also be part of the 4K generation for releases too. I will definitely be watching the release reviews of these before I go buy a film for a 3rd time! LOL Not trying to argue with anyone. Just trying to understand...

Why do you need to understand? It’s hobby for many of us. Some people buy new cars every few years, some houses etc. Most people who ask these questions don’t understand hobbiests. That’s not a put down either.

[rikimaru]

I would buy all my favorite movies again on 4k for the best viewing but also LISTENING experience possible. dolby atmos alone is almost worth the $$ spent on 4k but the upgraded visuals just put it over the top for me.

[bradnoyes]

You don’t understand why people enjoy having the best possible version of a home release that most closely matches the original cinematic presentation and (in most cases) the director’s intent. I’m sorry but I don’t think we can help you, man.

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by Noe1da

I do not understand the desire that all these people have for a 4K release of every single thing that comes out.

I'm pretty new to the UHD bandwagon, so my initial approach to this whole scene is actually not to buy every little thing. Some UHDs I've been avoiding either because I don't think I care enough about the movie (Knowing, The Patriot) or the reviews for the transfers don't inspire confidence (3:10 to Yuma, T2--yeah, some of these cases make UHD seem weaker to their respective BDs).

All that being said, I have splurged on about 100+ titles. When the 4K's good, it's GOOD! What excites me is not so much the modern 2K DI titles, but the pre-2000s titles shot on real film. All the resolution and texture of the film congeals so well on UHD, it easily blows away their BD counterparts. I've been yearning for sharp, cleaned-up transfers for many titles for a long time (especially the first few Mission Impossibles, the Mummy, the older Tomb Raider movies, The Dark Knight, hopefully Predator), and the results have floored me time and again.

Funny thing about the 90s titles is that 4K reminds me of why I was so enraptured by CGI back in the day--the SFX integrates with the live-action a lot more convincingly because the texture of the film permeates the whole picture, instead of being churned through some 2K digital workflow or whatever. It brings back a certain solidarity and awe I would have felt back in the day, seeing these on the big screen. The effect becomes lost on lower resolutions and scrubby transfers.

But even the 2K DI stuff I learned to appreciate. The Incredibles is often pegged as a mediocre upgrade, but you know what? It's not exactly flawed in any bad way either--I think it looks as good as it can. What really wowed me about that one was the colors and HDR--all the lava effects exploded off the screen a lot more vividly than I've ever seen before, to say nothing of sky, water, jungle scenes. It's stuff like that--the enhanced highlights--that pushes the format over the top for me.

So far, there's only one UHD out of 120-ish I found disappointing (Warcraft, WTH happened to those colors?). Not a bad fail-rate imo. Even if I did buy every title, with bad or good transfers, I'd probably still be looking at 1% being iffy and the rest being satisfying.

TLDR; it's more about the texture/fidelity of the image and the HDR than it is resolution, and so far I've been pretty dang happy.

[guachi]

To quote GeoffD from another thread who summarized 4k about as succinctly as possible - "It's not just about more pixels. It's about better pixels."

Those pixels can be better because of a rescan or because you are relying on the studio to do the upscaling instead of your player, or because higher disk size and better compression means fewer artifacts, or because the studio added Atmos and the old blu-ray doesn't have it, or because grain is handled better (looking at you, Sony), or because of more/better colors or because of HDR.

I can understand reticence for upgrading if you already own a nice 1080 TV (I didn't I used my 30" PC monitor as I had sold my awesome Sony CRT) or a jillion blu-rays (I didn't as I bought my first UHD disc before my first 4k disc).

However, if you are a cinephile, and I assume anyone on this board is, I think getting the 4k release is worth the extra $5. You get a UHD AND blu-ray disc and potentially a UHD digital code. If need be you can buy discs now, wait until Black Friday and upgrade your player to a UHD player and get a UHD TV at your leisure. You now have a free blu-ray disc you can give away and a UHD disc and digital code you don't have to upgrade in the future.

But, really, it's the HDR that hooked me on 4k. I had the TV and player because if I were going to upgrade from TV broadcasts and DVDs I might as well go all the way to 4k, right? It's not like I could get the OLED TV I wanted in anything but 4k. Then I saw one of those NetFlix Marvel shows in Dolby Vision and ... WOW... did the HDR pop in some scenes. Later that week I went out and bought some 4k discs. If streaming looked that good, imagine how good a movie on disc would look?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by guachi

To quote GeoffD from another thread who summarized 4k about as succinctly as possible - "It's not just about more pixels. It's about better pixels."

To be fair that's some Dolby marketing spiel right there, but it really does sum up what UHD's main benefits are. If we get more pixels, great, but I'll settle for better ones as they still provide what I perceive to be clear improvements over the 1080p Blu-ray counterparts...mostly.

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by nick4amber

Okay... So... THIS one has to be a troll job, right? We just had one recently start up with many replies??? And now this guy steps in and, come on... This one just has to be the thread that broke the camels back on the notion that this is a good faith ignorance these folk have... I'm just struggling with this one.

Not even gonna pad the OP with faux nicety to meet his faux-K slandering. You're stupid if you think there is no reason for 4K titles to exist of the 99+% of CGI movies in which the CGI is not in native 4K rendering!

And when I say stupid, I'm talking clinically speaking.

I like the way you use your words....

STOP BEING SO NICE
lol

[solarrdadd]

I wonder how long it will be til this thread gets locked? it's truly "fight club" bait!

[fighthefutureofhd]

Why does it feel like we're on the merry go round that never ends?

Originally Posted by ack_bak

I totally agree. I am still watching movies on my 19" Goldstar TV/VHS combo player hooked up to my Aiwa boombox and just laugh at all these people who are constantly upgrading.

Don't even get me started on car audio.. My 8track player in my car continues to provide enjoyment for me and my family while all these younger people keep raving about compact discs and Zune players...

Please!!! I put down my cd player and Zune players for cassettes. Now I only buy new releases on cassette.