Thor Love and Thunder SPOILER Discussion Thread

[ben6543]

The Post Credit Scene's allegedly have leaked



1.Hercules Shows up in the first one. Zeus asks him to kill Thor

2. Heimdall shows up in a white robe to welcome Jane to Valhalla

https://geekculture.co/thor-love-and...ok-up-a-storm/

[Gretiem]

Yup those are the post credit scenes. I guess Jane foster will now become Valkyrie in the future.

[BloodshotUSA]

Who plays Hercules?

[Sman]

Originally Posted by BloodshotUSA

Who plays Hercules?

Brett Goldstein from Ted Lasso.

[Synchg]

that was spoiler-riffic! thread delivers

[BloodshotUSA]

I went to the 3pm showing and I was expecting the worst. It was getting mixed reviews from the critics and I figured that if even those shills are giving it bad reviews then it must not be good.

I couldn't have been more wrong. I had a good time watching. I thought it was way better than Dr. Strange 2, which was a huge disappointment to me. It wasn't perfect but it was fun and that is something that I haven't felt a lot while watching Phase 4 of Marvel.

The Good:

For anyone who is worried, there aren't really an wokisms in the movie. Thor is the lead and he isn't portrayed as a buffoon like people were afraid of. The trailer portrayed him as some kind of pacifist now, but that's misdirection. He's still kicking ass all over.

Chris Hemsworth has really grown into his role as Thor. I feel like with RDJ and Chris Evans gone he really is the MVP of Marvel. He's got a good arc in this one where I feel like it could take him anywhere next. It's about learning to stop putting up walls between the people he cares about after seeing so many people he loved before (Loki, Heimdall, The Warriors 3, his mother and father) get killed. In the end, he's basically a dad now taking of Gorr's daughter and they are fighting together. I'm not familiar with Gorr or his daughter in the comics so I'm not sure if she is meant to grow up and be a major character.

Christian Bale is the best performance in the movie in my opinion. It definitely feels like a lot of his scenes wound up on the cutting room floor, but he still managed to create a really fascinating and sinister villain in my opinion. It almost feels like he is in a different movie than the rest of the cast. The movie just needed more of him to the point where I left the film wanted a Gorr The God Butcher movie.

I also enjoyed the scene with Thor and his crew going to Omnipotent City where all the Gods are meeting. Mainly because Russell Crowe was great as Zeus and nearly stole the movie. I loved the idea that the Gods are all just a bunch of lazy decadent sloths who just party and ignore the people they are supposed to be watching over. I liked that Russell was out of shape as the character. I hope when he shows up later on, presumably in Thor 5, that he decided not to bulk up.

Also, Less comedy in this one. It's a pretty serious and kind of darker story that normal for an MCU movie. The little bit of comedy that they do have in the movie doesn't really work anyway. I felt like the MCU has been heading into too much of a comedic heavy direction lately and I liked that this more towards the serious side for the most part.

The Bad:

The Guardians. They are completely out of the movie by the 15 minute mark. I knew they weren't going to have a big role but I thought they would still do more in their short screen time. The only one with any real screentime is Chris Pratt. He does most of the scenes while the rest of the Guardians stand in the background. I think Drax only has one line. I'm also not sure if Karen Gillan was actually on set to play Nebula. In one of the shots of the Guardians standing in the background, you can tell that its not Karen Gillian. Other than a couple of screams, she also only has one line and its with her facing away from the camera so I wouldn't be surprised to find out she wasn't on set.

I thought the movie also needed to do a little bit more to explain Jane's cancer because as it is now, it left me feeling a little confused. When Thor was with Jane, he drunkenly told Mjolnir to always take care of Jane. Now Jane's dying of cancer and Mjolnir summons her to Asgard and reassembles itself for her and she turns into female Thor and strong healthy while wielding the hammer....but at the same time its using up her human form and killing her faster. How exactly is Mjolnir helping her? He's causing her death faster. I did like that Jane ultimately died at the end and went to Valhalla (in the post credits scene) but I just felt like we needed more of that dynamic of her choosing to save people versus getting sicker quicker. Also, a less confusing explanation of how the hammer is killing her.

It needed more Bale. Like I said earlier, Christian Bale is my favorite part of the movie and there just isn't enough of him. He's the prologue of the movie where he is marching across the desert to find God to save his daughter. She dies on the way and then Gorr finds his God living in hedonism (after a battle) and he is completely indifferent to Gorr's daughter and people dying. Gorr see's the necrosword on the ground, as the God has just killed the previous user, and picks it up and uses it to kills his God.

That's all great. But we don't get anymore of it. I would've loved to have seen scenes of Gorr hunting down other Gods and killing them. Not even a quick montage of him killing any of them. Instead, Thor just see's a bunch of help messages that other God's have been killed.

Only 2 scenes of Sif. Not enough. She constantly gets underused in these Thor movies. I wanna see Sif kick some ass. I thought she would at least come along on the final journey to save the children, but nope. She gets gets her arm cut off by Gorr (offscreen) and then calls Thor for help and pretty much leaves the story.

Valkyrie surviving. Gorr should've killed someone important in Thor's life. She stabs Valkryie with Zeus' lighting bolt and I think it would've been good to raise the stakes and make Gorr look more dangerous. Instead she gets saved but pretty much leaves the movie until the final couple minutes. If Gorr wasn't going to kill Jane, then Valkyrie would've made a good choice.

The Ugly:

The children all getting superpowers. What is this nonsense? A bunch of children get kidnapped by Gorr to be used as bait to lure Thor out. But then in the final battle, as Gorr sends his monsters to attack the children, Thor is able to give each kid superpowers (temporarily I assume) to join the battle? What the hell is this? All of a sudden Thor has this power now? Why hasn't he ever used it before? Why didn't he give Hawkeye and Black Widow a power charge up before all their major battles in the Avengers movies?

Plus, it doesn't make Gorr look very threatening if a bunch of children can just wipe out his monster army. I could have done without that moment in the movie. The only part where I rolled my eyes.

I give the movie a 7.5 out of 10. We'll see if it goes up or down as I have time to process the movie. As of right now its my favorite thing in Phase 4. Maybe I'm just biased because I'm a huge Christian Bale fan.

Looking forward to Hercules going after Thor in, presumably, Thor 5.

Questions:

Is there supposed to be more to the Necrosword? Even though it was destroyed, is that supposed to be the same sword that Dane Whitman was pulling out of a box at the end of Eternals?

BTW, did anyone else notice the mole on Christian Bale's face kept switching sides? I'm assuming the film makers where flipping the image or somehow. But Bale's got on the right side of his face right between his eye and the bridge of his nose. There were random scenes were it was on the left side.

[mikesncc1701]

I liked Omnipotent City, but Crowe came off like he was channeling a God like Borat. It was pretty bad but I like Crowe as an actor and everything else about the sequence was good so I wasn't too put off by it. Bale did have some good scenes, but that was mainly his intro and outro. Everything else seemed Joker-ish with those high pitches and pseudo laughs and cheesy stories to scare the kids. The screenplay definitely needed a look over but as it stands I'll give it a 6.5 for the good stuff and a 7 for the last credits scene alone as that was probably the best thing in the runtime. Visually, it's the best looking Thor solo film though. Stiff as the writing was, there was always something to look at.

[John1701D]

Originally Posted by BloodshotUSA

I thought the movie also needed to do a little bit more to explain Jane's cancer because as it is now, it left me feeling a little confused. When Thor was with Jane, he drunkenly told Mjolnir to always take care of Jane. Now Jane's dying of cancer and Mjolnir summons her to Asgard and reassembles itself for her and she turns into female Thor and strong healthy while wielding the hammer....but at the same time its using up her human form and killing her faster. How exactly is Mjolnir helping her? He's causing her death faster. I did like that Jane ultimately died at the end and went to Valhalla (in the post credits scene) but I just felt like we needed more of that dynamic of her choosing to save people versus getting sicker quicker. Also, a less confusing explanation of how the hammer is killing her.

I think it's that chemo is very hard on a person and does it's own damage so the hammer was treating it like another attacker and negating the positive effects as well.

[ben6543]

Originally Posted by John1701D

I think it's that chemo is very hard on a person and does it's own damage so the hammer was treating it like another attacker and negating the positive effects as well.

Yes that's how it was in the comics. The Asgardian Magic of Mjolnir was negating the Chemo that was supposed to help cure Jane's cancer.

[Benoit Blanc]

What did ya all think when ya saw Brett Goldstein as Hercules? I was a little, "Hm, really?"

[BluBonnet]

I thought it was hilarious that they had Melissa McCarthy as the Asgardian playing Hela.

Also for some crazy reason the guy playing the harp right next to Zeus looked from a certain angle almost like Christian Bale in disguise. But according to the cast listing, it's another person entirely. Weird.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by Benoit Blanc

What did ya all think when ya saw Brett Goldstein as Hercules? I was a little, "Hm, really?"

I was pleasantly surprised, since he's great on Ted Lasso and I don't have any expectations about who should've been cast as Hercules.

[MileHigh AI]

Originally Posted by BloodshotUSA

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That's all great. But we don't get anymore of it. I would've loved to have seen scenes of Gorr hunting down other Gods and killing them. Not even a quick montage of him killing any of them. Instead, Thor just see's a bunch of help messages that other God's have been killed.

I agree and actually felt like we should have seen Gorr show up in the city of the gods and cause mayhem. As you said in another comment "raise the stakes"

The children all getting superpowers. What is this nonsense? A bunch of children get kidnapped by Gorr to be used as bait to lure Thor out. But then in the final battle, as Gorr sends his monsters to attack the children, Thor is able to give each kid superpowers (temporarily I assume) to join the battle? What the hell is this? All of a sudden Thor has this power now? Why hasn't he ever used it before? Why didn't he give Hawkeye and Black Widow a power charge up before all their major battles in the Avengers movies?

He actually says when he is giving them powers it will be temporary. As for Thor having this power, I'd assume that ability may have been bestowed upon him by Odin and he didn't know he could do that until he saw Jane as The Mighty Thor. OR since he did bestow that power on them while holding Zeus's lightning bolt that he knew he needed a more powerful gods weapon to do so.

The kid scene was cheesy but the kid with bunny made it hilarious to me.

[Joey9775]

So I'm guessing based on her reflection in the water that Gorr's daughter is supposed to be a version of this: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Singularity_(Multiverse)?

And have a big role to play in Secret Wars. Also love that they set up the Gods vs Thor moving forward and I'm hoping a Valkyrie Jane leading the forces of Valhalla into Secret Wars as well.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Joey9775

So I'm guessing based on her reflection in the water that Gorr's daughter is supposed to be a version of this: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Singularity_(Multiverse)?

And have a big role to play in Secret Wars. Also love that they set up the Gods vs Thor moving forward and I'm hoping a Valkyrie Jane leading the forces of Valhalla into Secret Wars as well.

I thought this was Gorr's daughter:https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Love

[supersix4]

I still give it an 8/10 for watchability

Things I'd have liked more as others have stated more Gorr, they coulda trimmed some of the comedy and kid interactions /updates with a deeper connection to Gorr family at the beginning, and then more god killing for menacing purposes

Hopefully they find whatever gymnastics they need to make him come back because Bale was fantastic

As much as I loved lots of the cameos comedy etc. certain times it just didn't mesh I'd go from laughing at something to Gorr chopping off that snakes head in front of kids, just some weird tonal shifts

Don't really care for a battle of the gods story line (maybe others do)

But overall I could be tied down for a week and be forced to watch this and Ragnarok on a loop vs. having to sit through Dark world once

[rikraq]

Why did his daughter come back from the dead? Is that why he was killing gods? I was confused.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by rikraq

Why did his daughter come back from the dead? Is that why he was killing gods? I was confused.

Gorr originally wanted to kill all the Gods. He just needed to draw out one God though.

As he lay there watching Thor cradle Jane, he realized what he really wanted was not revenge for his pain. He wanted what anyone else who loses someone would want: that person.

Loki - His heart broke as he watched his mother die.

What If? - Strange fighting against absolution to save Christine, The Watcher giving a world that lost its Widow a new one. Captain Carter wanting Steve.

No Way Home - Peter losing MJ and Ned as they have forgotten him.

Multiverse of Madness - America longing for her parents, Wanda doing whatever it takes to get the children she made back, Strange losing Christine in nearly every universe.

Gorr begged his God for kindness, benevolence, love and instead was abandoned. humilated, and hurt again. Seeing a God do what he always wanted made him realize he doesn’t want to end all Gods, he just wanted his daughter back.

[avs commenter]

I figured this would be the last solo Thor movie yet they used the credit scenes to set up more Thor and not other MCU characters, surprised me

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by BloodshotUSA

Questions:

Is there supposed to be more to the Necrosword? Even though it was destroyed, is that supposed to be the same sword that Dane Whitman was pulling out of a box at the end of Eternals?

No...The Necrosword is not the Ebony Blade that The Black Knight traditionally wields.

The Ebony Blade carved from a meteor and enchanted by Merlin.

The Necrosword is some space stuff.