Remastered Blu Rays that still use the old master on iTunes. - Blu-ray Forum

NielsV1969 · 05-14-2020, 08:59 AM

What 1080p iTunes movies use the remastered version and which still use the old master? I've compared a few remastered blu ray's to the version on iTunes and sometimes iTunes uses the remaster but mostly not. For instance:

- The Good, the bad and the ugly (non remastered version)
- Fargo (non remastered version)
- Rain Man (remastered version)
- Blazing Saddles (remastered version)
- In the heat of the night (non remastered version)
- Patton (non remastered version)
- Out of Africa (non remastered version)

Before buying I would like to know which version I'm buying. So if anybody knows more titles this is the thread for it!

Grazza · 05-18-2020, 04:37 PM

Good idea!

I can’t speak for the Blu-ray of Tin Cup, but going by reviews it is a really nice remaster. I bought the iTunes HD version in a recent sale (UK store) and out looked fine but old in terms of the master. I’d be very surprised if it’s the remastered Warner Archive master.

Grazza · 05-18-2020, 04:38 PM

Oh yes and Antz is another one. Great Blu-ray release and looks absolutely awful on iTunes (again UK store). Looks SD basically, it’s horribly soft.

Streetlight · 05-19-2020, 06:32 PM

Stuff talking about iTunes masters.

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Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

Answers in bolded brackets below:

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Originally Posted by Streetlight

Does the Killing have Killer's Kiss as an extra like the Blu-ray?
(Itunes version does not have extras and is movie only)

Does Hardcore use the same transfer as the US and UK Blu-rays?
(Yes, all providers use the same 4k sourced transfer)

Does Maniac have Maniac 2 as it's extra? Is it remastered?
(See The Killing)

Is Ichi the Killer uncut and remastered?
(As Ichi the Killer lists Well Go as the provider, it is uncut and utilizes the same 4k transfer like their 2017 Blu-Ray release)

Does Day of the Jackal uses the same master as the Arrow blu-ray?
(Arrow's Day of the Jackal BD uses an HD master created by Universal, therefore all streaming versions and Blu-Ray versions throughout the world use the same transfer with differences in compression)

Does anyone have screenshot comparison for Silence of the Lambs 4K iTunes vs Criterion BD?
(not sure if this link still works, but here ya go https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/134739)

Does Brazil iTunes use the master and cut used in the Universal BD?
(Yes, all providers use the same US theatrical cut transfer as the Universal BD)

Is Touch of Evil in iTunes the Reconstructed Version? (Theatrical cut in widescreen)
If not, then where else (other than purchasing Blu-rays) can I find this version? (If you have Movies Anywhere linked with this title to other providers, possibly Vudu or the MA app)

I want to know if the iTunes version of The Terminator, Henry: PoaSK, Robocop, Fargo, Memento, and Maniac match the screencaps of the remastered version. (The Terminator, Fargo, and Robocop are the same transfers as the Remastered BDs. Maniac is the older HD transfer seen on the original Blue Underground BD. Henry: PoaSK is the 4k master seen on the Dark Sky Films 30th Anniversary Edition. The version of Memento with Samuel Goldwyn as the provider is the same transfer as the remastered Lionsgate BD and the 2017 Samuel Goldwyn MOD BD)

I want to know if iTunes version of The Descent match the AVC/VC-1 version on caps-a-holic, the color timing is very different from the MPEG-2 version. (Not 100% sure on this one, but I imagine Itunes and all streaming providers are probably using the alt HD master seen on the AVC BD)

Also, what master does the International version of Leon and the special edition of Terminator 2 uses? (Since the International Cut of Leon isn't 4k being it's an extra, i'm certain it's on the older HD master used on the 2009 Sony BD as well as all other BDs worldwide. The SE cut of Terminator 2 on Itunes is said to be the older HD master, but not the same one as the Skynet BD as the streaming version has grain and the TriStar logo at the start)

TLDR:
Hardcore and Day of the Jackal use the same transfer as the US/UK BDs.
Ichi the Killer, The Terminator, Fargo (contradicting OP), Robocop (not sure if its 2014 MGM or 2019 Arrow, but probably 2014 MGM), Henry: PoaSK, and Memento are remastered.
Maniac is from an older master and Leon: The Professional International Cut and Terminator 2 SE are presumably an older master as well.

NielsV1969 · 05-22-2020, 03:56 PM

I'm pretty sure that Fargo and Robocop are not the remastered version. I've compared both to the remastered blu ray. And some more titles:

- The apartment (non remastered version)
- Some like it hot (non remastered version)
- Being there (non remastered version)
- Blue Velvet (non remastered version)
- Do the right thing (non remastered version)
- Dressed to kill (non remastered version)
- Manhunter (non remastered version)
- 12 Monkeys (non remastered version)
- Midnight Run (non remastered version)

Seth F. · 05-23-2020, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by NielsV1969

What 1080p iTunes movies use the remastered version and which still use the old master? I've compared a few remastered blu ray's to the version on iTunes and sometimes iTunes uses the remaster but mostly not. For instance:

- The Good, the bad and the ugly (non remastered version)
- Fargo (non remastered version)
- Rain Man (remastered version)
- Blazing Saddles (remastered version)
- In the heat of the night (non remastered version)
- Patton (non remastered version)
- Out of Africa (non remastered version)

Before buying I would like to know which version I'm buying. So if anybody knows more titles this is the thread for it!

I'm going to have to disagree on Patton. That is the 2012 remaster. It's just itunes 2012 softness. https://ibb.co/album/4mMSwQ Also if you pull out the 2008 version for that scene it's night and day.

NielsV1969 · 05-27-2020, 07:50 AM

I've compared them two years ago I think. So maybe they have changed by now! So hopefully some more will change soon.

NielsV1969 · 05-27-2020, 07:52 AM

Compared Belle de Jour yesterday from the UK store. Definitely not the new Studio Canal remaster.

The Watcher 69 · 06-02-2020, 01:56 AM

The Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! thread discusses the use of DNR on the recent Blu-ray release versus no DNR on iTunes. The consensus seems to be no DNR is more faithful to the original, even if the picture quality might not be as nice.

NielsV1969 · 06-06-2020, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Watcher 69

The Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! thread discusses the use of DNR on the recent Blu-ray release versus no DNR on iTunes. The consensus seems to be no DNR is more faithful to the original, even if the picture quality might not be as nice.

That would be an interesting topic. iTunes movies that have 'better' image quality than the remastered blu rays. But I guess not too many. Not a fan of DNR myself although some prefer the DNR version of Scooby-Doo.

NielsV1969 · 06-30-2020, 06:37 AM

Fargo and Rain Man now the 4K remastered version in the iTunes store.

willbfree · 07-16-2020, 03:50 AM

Anyone know if Four Weddings and a Funeral is the remaster? Cover art does not match the iTunes art so I am guessing no.

sea2000 · 07-16-2020, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by willbfree

Anyone know if Four Weddings and a Funeral is the remaster? Cover art does not match the iTunes art so I am guessing no.

I'd like to know as well. I just looked at my Prime version, and it sure looks unremastered. If the Apple one is remastered, I'll buy it there for $4.99.

St. John Smythe · 07-16-2020, 08:25 PM

For a lot of classic movies, I’ve noticed that the new master will be on Movies Anywhere and all other sources use an older one. The Maltese Falcon (1941) and Dracula (1931) are two off the top of my head. I would go there as a point of reference for most films (not Paramount and others obviously).

shane01 · 07-20-2020, 05:05 AM

Anyone know if iTunes has the newly remastered version of Rian Johnson’s Brick?

NielsV1969 · 07-22-2020, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shane01

Anyone know if iTunes has the newly remastered version of Rian Johnson’s Brick?

Not the last time I looked but I'll check it again tonight.

NielsV1969 · 07-22-2020, 05:08 PM

The good, the bad and the ugly and The Great Escape updated with the 4K remaster!

NielsV1969 · 07-22-2020, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by willbfree

Anyone know if Four Weddings and a Funeral is the remaster? Cover art does not match the iTunes art so I am guessing no.

It's not the remastered version.

NielsV1969 · 07-22-2020, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by shane01

Anyone know if iTunes has the newly remastered version of Rian Johnson’s Brick?

It's not the remastered version.

shane01 · 07-22-2020, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NielsV1969

It's not the remastered version.

Thanks for checking! Much appreciated!

05-14-2020, 08:59 AM	#1
NielsV1969 Member Member since:Jan 2020 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:2	Remastered Blu Rays that still use the old master on iTunes. What 1080p iTunes movies use the remastered version and which still use the old master? I've compared a few remastered blu ray's to the version on iTunes and sometimes iTunes uses the remaster but mostly not. For instance: - The Good, the bad and the ugly (non remastered version) - Fargo (non remastered version) - Rain Man (remastered version) - Blazing Saddles (remastered version) - In the heat of the night (non remastered version) - Patton (non remastered version) - Out of Africa (non remastered version) Before buying I would like to know which version I'm buying. So if anybody knows more titles this is the thread for it!

05-18-2020, 04:37 PM	#2
Grazza Active Member Member since:Sep 2011 Location:London 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- iTunes collection:-	Good idea! I can’t speak for the Blu-ray of Tin Cup, but going by reviews it is a really nice remaster. I bought the iTunes HD version in a recent sale (UK store) and out looked fine but old in terms of the master. I’d be very surprised if it’s the remastered Warner Archive master.

05-18-2020, 04:38 PM	#3
Grazza Active Member Member since:Sep 2011 Location:London 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- iTunes collection:-	Oh yes and Antz is another one. Great Blu-ray release and looks absolutely awful on iTunes (again UK store). Looks SD basically, it’s horribly soft.

05-22-2020, 03:56 PM	#5
NielsV1969 Member Member since:Jan 2020 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:2	I'm pretty sure that Fargo and Robocop are not the remastered version. I've compared both to the remastered blu ray. And some more titles: - The apartment (non remastered version) - Some like it hot (non remastered version) - Being there (non remastered version) - Blue Velvet (non remastered version) - Do the right thing (non remastered version) - Dressed to kill (non remastered version) - Manhunter (non remastered version) - 12 Monkeys (non remastered version) - Midnight Run (non remastered version)

05-27-2020, 07:50 AM	#7
NielsV1969 Member Member since:Jan 2020 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:2	I've compared them two years ago I think. So maybe they have changed by now! So hopefully some more will change soon.

05-27-2020, 07:52 AM	#8
NielsV1969 Member Member since:Jan 2020 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:2	Compared Belle de Jour yesterday from the UK store. Definitely not the new Studio Canal remaster.

06-02-2020, 01:56 AM	#9
The Watcher 69 Active Member Member since:Dec 2018	The Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! thread discusses the use of DNR on the recent Blu-ray release versus no DNR on iTunes. The consensus seems to be no DNR is more faithful to the original, even if the picture quality might not be as nice.

06-30-2020, 06:37 AM	#11
NielsV1969 Member Member since:Jan 2020 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:2	Fargo and Rain Man now the 4K remastered version in the iTunes store.

07-16-2020, 03:50 AM	#12
willbfree Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2008 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:468 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:4	Anyone know if Four Weddings and a Funeral is the remaster? Cover art does not match the iTunes art so I am guessing no.

07-16-2020, 08:25 PM	#14
St. John Smythe Member Member since:Oct 2008 4K collection:54 Blu-ray collection:209 DVD collection:472 MA collection:430 Digital collection:23 iTunes collection:163 Prime collection:5 Trading Score:123	For a lot of classic movies, I’ve noticed that the new master will be on Movies Anywhere and all other sources use an older one. The Maltese Falcon (1941) and Dracula (1931) are two off the top of my head. I would go there as a point of reference for most films (not Paramount and others obviously).

07-20-2020, 05:05 AM	#15
shane01 Power Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2011 Location:The Southland 4K collection:452 Blu-ray collection:1407 DVD collection:339 MA collection:268 Digital collection:17 iTunes collection:117 Prime collection:3 Trading Score:133	Anyone know if iTunes has the newly remastered version of Rian Johnson’s Brick?

07-22-2020, 05:08 PM	#17
NielsV1969 Member Member since:Jan 2020 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:2	The good, the bad and the ugly and The Great Escape updated with the 4K remaster!

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