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![]() Protecting home theater equipment from surges, brownouts, and lighting strikes Home theater systems range in price between $50 to several millions of dollars. Some entry level home theater systems start out with a low-cost display for $50-$500+ and later one may add an entry level stereo or surround system for several hundred dollars. Some high-end home theater systems range in price from several hundreds of thousands of dollars to several millions of dollars. Many consumers have home theater systems costing several thousands of dollars and generally under $10,000. Many middle-class Americans if they are videophiles or audiophiles can easily have home theater systems ranging in price between $10,000-$100,000+. Some people instead of buying a new car or truck every 10 to 20 years will take their hard-earned money from their job and spend $50,000-$100,000+ on a home theater system. This free post I am writing is from my personal and professional experience of installing and maintaining surge protection, line conditioners, and UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) systems for over 20 years. This is like a free user review and is not an in-depth professional article with graphs and test results that would take weeks and months to write with detailed test results ran. So, this brief user review will contain brief useful information on how to protect one’s equipment from surges, brownouts, and sometimes from lighting strikes under ideal conditions. Keep in mind the power protection equipment I mention are all 120 volts 60Hz models made for the USA that can only be used in North America and other places in the world that have an electrical outlet rated for 120 volts 60Hz. If one is located in Europe, most of Asia, Africa, and Australia then the better quality more efficient 220-240 volts AC at 50Hz technology is used. Many companies like Cyberpower Systems makes UPS units that have a 230 volt 50Hz input that operate similar to the 120Hz 60Hz USA power protection equipment models. Power protection equipment are designed for either 120 volts 60Hz or 230 volts 50Hz and will not work and sometimes will be destroyed when connected to the wrong voltage. The following are all USA models that also work in Canada and Mexico Even if one only has a very low-cost computer, TV, or home theater system at the very minimum they should be buying a cheap surge protector for under $10 to protect one’s equipment against power surges. The joules rating on a surge protector or UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) means that is the amount of energy that can be absorbed before the surge protector or UPS fails. The higher the joules rating the better the surge protector or UPS. This high-end Belkin surge protector from Amazon has a 4,320 joules protection rating for only around $41.99 with free shipping. A pack of 5 costs around $199.44. This is a quality Belkin surge protector that was released back on 7-2-2007. But keep in mind surge protectors will not protect one’s electronic equipment from brownouts which are a drop in voltage, one needs a UPS for that. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000JE9LD4?th=1 (Belkin surge protector) In the old days back in the 1990’s (late 20th Century) before UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) became popular, people would purchase line conditioners that had an EMI/RFI filters to clean up the noise on the electrical powerline, and also line conditioners had very basic automatic voltage regulators for $150+ entry level models. Line conditioners would provide surge protection and brownout protection, but since there was no battery backup for power at a certain point the line conditioner would just turn off the equipment when the voltage dropped too low in order to protect the equipment from brownouts. Now many modern day UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) systems all have both surge protection and brownout protection along with the higher end models offering EMI/RFI filtering with automatic voltage regulators. A UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) systems ranges in price between $60 to over one million dollars. A large Mansion, business, or home might have a whole house UPS system that powers the entire building until the natural gas whole house generator kicks in within 30 seconds to a minute. A desktop computer requires an external UPS system so that the operating system or data on the solid-state drive is not damaged during a brief power outage. 100% of all Notebook/Laptop computers have built in UPS systems with the internal battery and external power supply. So, with a Notebook/Laptop all one needs is a low-cost surge protector since one already has a built in UPS system thanks to the internal battery that provides power during a power outage. The only major advantage of a Notebook/Laptop computer when compared to a desktop computer, is that Notebook/Laptop computers are portable where desktop computers are more powerful and are designed for one location in the house or office building. Small UPS systems are normally placed on things like the router and network switches in the home or office so that one does not lose Internet service during a power outage. All telephone companies, cable TV companies, and satellite companies have UPS systems with backup generators so that their networks are up and running 24 x 7. The most reliable and cheapest power comes from multibillion-dollar nuclear power plants and underground military based nuclear power plants that are so reliable that UPS systems very rarely are engaged for surge and brownout protection. Other power plants like solar, wind, and various other designs can sometimes have small to large changes in power levels that are beyond the control of the power company. Also, generators very in quality, and even the best models do not offer as clean of output when compared to the power companies' grid that sometimes costs billions of dollars. Generators are known for causing surges and brownouts with the sine wave not being pure many times. A UPS system is a must have product to protect equipment when running on unstable generator power. In the USA a power company tries to stay at around 120 volts AC at 60Hz but sometimes can have minor changes in power like 115-125 volts AC range during various times during the day or night. In general, the automatic voltage regulators in power supplies for computers, TV’s, projectors, and A/V receivers can handle voltages between 100 to 130 volts AC at 60Hz and compensate for the changes. However, having stable voltages around 120 volts AC will make the power supply and overall equipment last longer. If one gets voltages above 131 volts AC that is too much voltage and is considered a surge and the UPS will automatically engage the voltage regulator which results in switching from grid power onto battery power to protect one from a surge. Also, if the voltage falls below 100 volts AC that is too low of voltage and a UPS will take one off grid power and engage battery power to protect one from a brownout. Some higher end pure sine wave UPS units are so good that any voltage below 116 volts or above 124 volts will automatically be regulated back to the 118 to 121 volts AC range. Anyone that has a whole house natural gas generator, wind turbine power, solar power, or other authorized government approved backup power generator system should also own a UPS system for anything in their house they do not want to lose power on. Since it takes 30 seconds to 1 minute for a natural gas generator to automatically startup during a power outage and if one was in the middle of an important stock trade or watching the end of a favorite movie, they do not want to experience a power outage or a home network router outage for a minute or so. Even losing power for just one second to one’s router will result in around a 5-minute Internet outage in one’s house that was caused by the customer, since the customer lost power in their home, but a small low-cost UPS system could have prevented that customer caused Internet outage from occurring. Therefore, UPS systems are ideal for people with whole house natural gas generators. However, even if one does not have a small generator or other means to power one’s home during a power outage, a UPS system is ideal for protecting one’s equipment during surges and brownouts that normally occur just before a power outage. While some UPS systems can last over 1 hour on batteries depending on the load, some UPS systems will last no longer than 2.5 minutes and will be just enough time to shut off the computer properly and shut off the projector properly. A UPS system is ideal for projectors since it keeps the bulbs and electronics cool during a power outage by keeping the fans in the projector active (which extends the life of the light engine). Also keep in mind batteries in UPS systems last between 2 to 5 years and sometimes 7 years or longer. But if one is constantly draining the batteries down to close to zero percent before a recharge, then the batteries may need to be replaced every 2 years instead of 5 years or longer (the more the batteries are used the less their lifespan will be). Some UPS systems use one 12-volt battery, two 12-volt batteries (24 volts in series), or four 12-volt batteries (48 volts in series). The two and four battery systems are sometimes in battery packs that can be purchased as a complete battery pack or one can save money by rebuilding a battery pack if they are knowledgeable on how to wire up a battery pack. Cellphones, Smartphones, UPS systems, and anything with a rechargeable battery can start on fire if the battery malfunctions. I have personally over the 20+ years of using UPS systems never seen one start on fire since they have massive safety certifications, however I have seen some original factory installed battery packs go bad after 5+ years and malfunction and the battery heats up and changes shape and melts due to a battery malfunction. However, the plastic cases used for UPS systems is a special design to withstand heat and stop a fire from occurring. But the high-end UPS systems with a massive amount of safety certifications have metal cases which keeps the batteries enclosed if they were to malfunction and melt. Metal has a much higher melting temperature then plastic. Any battery that may start on fire or melt out of shape will be contained inside the metal UPS case. But in general lead acid batteries that UPS systems use is being made safer and less likely to melt out of shape (some brands and models of batteries are safer than others). Some UPS systems after 7 to 20+ years break and will no longer turn on and need replaced since they were surged to death during many thunderstorms. I have used various UPS power backup systems over the last 20+ years like Belkin and CyperPower systems. But in general, for quality first and price second, I prefer CyberPower systems UPS systems which is a USA company that has their products made in China and other countries. The higher end models currently appear to be made in China exclusively since China has excellent quality workmanship. Also, in general UPS systems offer less joules protection then a surge protector. UPS systems might only offer between 526 joules to 2,430 joules depending on the model number. But even when compared to a surge protector that offers 4,320 joules protection for $41.99, the surge protector offers overall less power protection when compared to the UPS system because the surge protector is unable to protect one from brownouts and is unable to provide automatic voltage regulators like a quality UPS system offers. One should use a calculator to add up the maximum wattage one needs for the equipment that they want UPS power backup protection on. While a low cost 510 watt or 1000-watt model might be fine for 30 minutes to one hour of power for a router one uses for Internet. Many peoples home theater systems are over 1000 watts and a 1500-watt model is ideal for many home theater systems. Also, the higher the load the less time one will be on power backup, the lower the load the more time one has to power equipment. If one attempts to use more wattage then what the UPS system is rated for then the UPS system will shut down and will not be able to be used until items are unplugged from the UPS. The most common problem people have when buying a UPS is that they buy models that do not offer enough wattage output. Even if one buys a 1500-watt UPS system that only offers 6.5 minutes at 1500 watts, if they have only a 200-watt load from their computer they will get over an hour of power backup on a 1500-watt UPS system. The load used for the connected devices and watts capacity of the UPS are very important factors. Also, voltage and load information on some of the UPS systems LCD displays are not as accurate as a real digital AC voltmeter. Cyberpower EC850LCD is a low cost 510 watt simulated sine wave unit for around $109.95 (this is an entry level UPS unit). I would not recommend buying any UPS systems below this model. For example, the 390-watt Cyberpower EC650LCD for $87.95 has a bad design where instead of having a low battery light that comes on or beeps the unit will turn completely off in 2-5 years when the battery goes bad. The company should redesign the EC650LCD so that when the battery goes bad that the unit stays on when connected to the grid power, instead of shutting off completely and the only way to get It back on is to replace the battery. Bad design. Also, the smaller 12-volt battery is harder to find and lower capacity in the EC650LCD. The Cyberpower EC850LCD is a much better entry level 510 watt simulated sine wave UPS system. When the battery goes bad in 2-5 years the unit stays on as long as there is power from the grid (power from the local power company is called grid power). Also, there is low battery indicators on the LCD screen and beeping to let one know that the battery needs replaced if one wants power during a power outage. The EC850LCD uses an easy to find full size 12-volt UPS battery that will need to be replaced in 2-5 years. A fully functional battery offers 2.3 minutes of power backup at 510-watt load, or 7.9 minutes at 255-watt load. The Cyberpower EC850LCD offers 526 joules protection from surges. This EC850LCD uses a simulated sine wave when on battery, which is a lower quality sine wave. The power company and other more expensive UPS units use a pure sine wave that is cleaner and better when compared to a simulated sine wave output. When on grid power I measured the pure sine wave at 121.7 volts AC, but when I ran on batteries for brownout and power outage protection using under 40 watt load the EC850LCD was outputting a simulated sine wave at 101.2 volts AC. 101.2 volts AC will protect against brownouts but better quality UPS systems will have around 120 volts output. The bad damaging brownouts occur below 100 volts like in the 80 volts and lower range that destroys electronics. So at least this UPS unit stays at a constant 101.2 volts AC output when using a digital AC meter plugged into the unit’s electrical outlet to verify what the under 40-watt load is doing. But one may want to only use this UPS system when protecting equipment between $200 to $1,000 and for areas that have a space issue where larger UPS systems cannot be used. If one is only getting 101.2 volts with a simulated sine wave when on battery, one’s power supply in their equipment has to use automatic voltage regulators to bring the voltage back up to 120 volts AC. This is the limitation of this low cost 510-watt unit using one 12-volt DC battery with a low-cost built-in inverter to offer 101.2 volts 60Hz of AC output with simulated sine wave. Good for low-cost equipment and space issues, but there are much better UPS systems on the market. Unit has no fans so makes almost zero noise unless there is a warning beeps (LCD screen flashes basic messages). https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr...ic/ec850lcd/#/ https://www.newegg.com/cyberpower-ec...82E16842102216 Uses one 12 volt battery every 2-5+ years for around $22 after shipping and taxes. https://batterysharks.com/sigmastek-sp12-9-battery.html The Cyberpower CP1500PFCLCD is a low-cost entry level pure sine wave 1000-watt UPS for around $219.95. This unit has 1445 joules protection. And offers 2.5 minutes of power backup if the load is 1000 watts, or 10 minutes of power backup if the load is 500 watts. However, even though this is a nice two battery system that has a neat LCD screen with pure sine wave output (plus quiet fan comes on to keep batteries cool). The one issue with this entry level pure sine wave unit is that while on the grid at around 120 volts AC the unit works fine, but off the grid when running on battery during brownouts or power outages the pure sine wave output when using a load below 200 watts was only around 115 volts AC output and not a stable 118 to 121 volt AC range that the top of the line pure sine wave units output. But much better then the EC850LCD that takes one 12-volt DC battery and inverts the output to 101.2 volts AC output. The CP1500PFCLCD has two 12-volt DC batteries in series to do 24 volts DC that is inverted to a stable 115 volts AC output. But still not as good as grid power or the best pure sine wave systems on the market. Some power supplies in computers or OLED screens will use automatic voltage regulators to bring the 115 volts AC back up to 120 volts. But the dangerous brownouts that occur below 100 volts AC one will have protection from since this unit offers a stable pure sine wave 115 volts AC output when on batteries. For an additional $309.95 one can plug in a Cyberpower RMCARD205 that adds a ethernet jack for remote monitoring of the CP1500PFCLCD UPS system. That card has an optional temperature and humidity sensor so one can login and see the room temperature and humidity level (But I never tried that feature). The RMCARD205 is included with some UPS systems costing $1,239.95+ and since the card costs $309.95 it is more expensive than the CP1500PFCLCD UPS system that costs around $219.95. So, most people do not buy the ethernet card for this UPS system, but it is nice the card does exist. Maybe in the future Cyberpower systems might want to consider making all future UPS systems with a built in ethernet jack, then maybe the cost of an ethernet jack or add on network card might be only $100 instead of $309.95 (also a future design should offer 1,000Mbps speed instead of maximum speed being 100Mbps for the ethernet port). This Cyberpower CP1500PFCLCD system is recommended for someone that does not want to spend more then $219.95 on a UPS system and that needs no more then 1000 watts of power. But if someone has a desktop computer over $2,000 or a home theater system costing more then $2,000, they might want to consider going up to a higher model of UPS system. https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr...p1500pfclcd/#/ https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr...are/rmcard205/ https://www.newegg.com/cyberpower-cp...82E16842102134 https://www.newegg.com/cyberpower-rm...82E16842102260 Uses a 24-volt DC battery pack called RB1280X2B for $114.95. However, a skilled technician can rebuild the battery pack with two brand new 12-volt DC batteries for around $44 after shipping and taxes. Two batteries in series to produce 24 volts DC inverted to 115 volts AC 60Hz output. https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr...ies/rb1280x2b/ Uses two 12-volt DC batteries every 2-5+ years https://batterysharks.com/sigmastek-sp12-9-battery.html The $1,000-$1,239.95 price level is for some Cyberpower 1500 watt pure sine wave UPS systems that offer just as good or better-quality output when compared to the grid power from the power company. These 1500-watt units are pure sine wave units and Cyberpower is on the third generation with each generation being better quality. The first-generation models that I started purchasing back in 2008 for computer and home entertainment systems were less expensive at around $700 but they also had some issues with super noisy fans and after being 7 to 16 years old sometimes after turning them off they would not turn on again. Those first-generation models went out of production in 2015. Starting in the year 2015 the second-generation models called the PR1500LCDRTXL2UN were released for around $1,000 with better specs and I have a couple from 2015 that are still working perfectly fine in the year 2024 with the issue of turning them off and on will always result in them coming back on again since that issue was fixed in the second-generation models. So far after nine years of running them 24 x 7 I have not seen a PR1500LCDRTXL2UN needing to be replaced. However, some people with home entertainment systems that need 1500 watts of protection do not like the noisy fans on these models since when on battery they go to full speed noisy fan mode to keep the batteries cool. When the grid line voltage is 120.3 volts AC, the PR1500LCDRTXL2UN on battery with a under 200-watt load outputs a constant 121.8 volts AC output (pure sine wave). However, the PR1500LCDRTXL2UN went out of production in 2023. And in its place the new improved third generation unit came out in 2023 called the PR1500RTXL2UCN that is super quiet with most of the time zero noise while on battery power. There are better UPS systems out there if one needs 2000 watts of power or even 3000 watts of power during a power outage or for brownout protection. However, the PR3000RTXL2UC for $2,035.95 has 3000 watts with a NEMA L5-30P input connector and the 2000-watt PR2000RTXL2UC model has a NEMA 5-20P input connector. Both of those connectors are usually used in office buildings with 30-amp and 20-amp electrical outlets. The average home in the USA is limited to a NEMA 5-15P electrical outlet with 15 amps. Which means the maximum most home electrical outlets can handle for a UPS system is 1500 watts. Therefore, the PR1500RTXL2UCN remains to be the best quality 1500-watt UPS system on the market that can be plugged into any common electrical outlet one finds in the home. If one needs more wattage, they need to either have an electrician rewire their home with a NEMA L5-30P for 3000 watts or instead have two NEMA 5-15P electrical outlets on different circuit breakers to use things like two separate 1500 watt UPS systems. But most home theater systems and home computers do not need anymore then 1500 watts of power. The Cyberpower PR1500RTXL2UCN has a list price of $1,417 and a street price of $1,239.95. This is top of the line for 1500-watt pure sine wave power protection. Offers 2430 joules protection, 3-year warranty. On battery with a full load of 1500 watts offers 6.5 minutes of power backup. Half load at 750 watts offers 17.9 minutes of battery time. On a load around 200-300 watts under ideal conditions the 4 batteries last over one hour. With the grid line voltage varying between 118.2 volts to 120.2 volts that was the output voltage. But when ran on batteries for brownout protection or power outage this UPS with a load slightly below 200 watts was outputting a stable pure sine wave at 119.2 volts AC at 60Hz for over 30 minutes. When the battery capacity drained down from 100% to 25%, the output was sometimes at 119.1 volts AC and the lowest the voltage went was 118.7 volts AC. Nice stable output and is ideal for home theater systems costing $10,000 to over $400,000+. The pure sine wave on this UPS unit is sometimes cleaner than many peoples grid power output. For retail stores like Value Electronics this 1500-watt UPS would be ideal to keep the electronics in the store running 24 x 7 during a major thunderstorm. Some retail stores have backup natural gas generators but even if a retail store or customer does not have a natural gas backup generator, this pure sine wave unit will protect one’s equipment during brownouts and brief power outages. One of the nicest things about this third generation PR1500RTXL2UCN is that during the entire time I was on battery power for around an hour on a 200-watt load, the UPS was completely quiet with the three fans not running at all. I did a self-test and the fans work at variable speeds and pass the self-test but this amazing product only makes fan noise if the internal battery temperature or UPS unit gets warm and needs the fans turned on. After draining the batteries from 100% to 25% and after charging the batteries back up. Around 10 minutes after fast charging was completed (around 3 hours charging time instead of 12 hours for some cheaper models), there was a small amount of heat and the fans turned on at a very low speed to keep the unit cool. These PR1500RTXL2UCN are currently only made in China. The top-of-the-line flagship Cyperpower system products are made in China. China has excellent workmanship quality and the design of this UPS system is the best I have ever seen in terms of quality. If one was an engineer or scientist, they may want to visit China because of all the amazing things that China is creating in the 21st Century. The PR1500RTXL2UCN has amazing amount of setup menus for customizing the UPS system. It ships in default quiet mode with the unit only making noise if the battery is depleted below 35% with a low battery beeping sound. That can be disabled and many options to enable and disable alerts. Those that want to protect their OLED screen with 13.1 surround sound system will need the 1500 watts of protection. A year 2008 Pioneer PRO-141FD use to have a list price of $7,000 and on clearance was selling for $5,000 and then $3,500. A PR1500RTXL2UCN is ideal to offer protection for home theater systems that sometimes peeks over 1000 watts when 7.1 speakers are being used. Anyone with an 8K OLED screen for $30,000+ will want a UPS system that offers 1500 watts of power protection. Included with the PR1500RTXL2UCN is the RMCARD205 that adds ethernet connection for remote monitoring. While I have not tried it there is an optional sensor for that card that suppose to offer room temperature and humidity monitoring which sounds very cool when login in from anywhere in the world. One can save $270 off their PR1500RTXL2UCN if they purchase it without the RMCARD205 that offers ethernet connection. That model is called PR1500RTXL2UC for $969.95 but it comes without the RMCARD205. But if one wants to add the RMCARD205 to the slot in the back it costs $309.95. Many people decide to buy the PR1500RTXL2UCN for $1,239.95 that comes with the RMCARD205 preinstalled. The PR1500RTXL2UCN is very well packed and so the faceplate does not get damaged for these third-generation models, the faceplate is shipped with the faceplate in padding on top of the box. Faceplate takes only a minute or two to install. However, I wish Cyberpower systems would make the power cord detachable and in padding, since then the connector on the end of the power cord would most likely not arrive damaged (power cord is hardwired into unit and is not detachable). These units are 81.8 pounds shipped and 67.7 pounds when out of the box with no brackets attached. So, since they are so heavy sometimes, they can arrive damaged. But buying from a dealer like Amazon or New Egg with a good exchange or return policy is ideal. But when buying one of these units check it out and have it run and pass a self-test to make sure everything is working, and if in worst case scenario if there is a problem then one can exchange or return it in 30 days with some dealers like New Egg paying for return shipping on damaged items. This UPS system is rack mountable and also sits on the floor vertically. Ideal for videophiles and audiophiles that need to protect expensive equipment. Audiophiles will like the quality EMI/RFI filtration for old analog amplifiers. Those that use HDMI digital bitstream for video and audio might not notice the difference between filtered power and unfiltered power. Uses a total of four 12-volt DC batteries in series for 48 volts DC and then a high-quality inverter to produce a stable 119.2 volts AC output at 60Hz that is pure sine wave when on batteries. Would be an ideal product for stores like Value Electronics to use in their showroom to protect their equipment. I am very amazed at the super high-end quality of this unit that is currently exclusively made in China. These high-end units use metal cases with three circuit breakers and have a massive amount of safety certifications. https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr...r1500rtxl2ucn/ PR1500RTXL2UCN that comes with the ethernet card pre-installed. https://www.newegg.com/cyberpower-pr...2FT-0008-004F2 PR1500RTXL2UCN https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr...pr1500rtxl2uc/ PR1500RTXL2UC is exactly the same UPS but without the ethernet card installed in the expansion slot. https://www.newegg.com/cyberpower-pr...2FT-0008-004F3 PR1500RTXL2UC https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr...are/rmcard205/ (ethernet card) https://www.newegg.com/cyberpower-rm...82E16842102260 (ethernet card) Replacement battery pack is the RB1290X4J for $304.95. However, a skilled technician can rebuild the battery pack with four brand new 12-volt DC batteries for around $88 after shipping and taxes. Four 12-volt batteries in series to produce 48 volts DC inverted to 119.2 volts AC at 60Hz output. https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr...ies/rb1290x4j/ Uses four 12-volt DC batteries every 2-5+ years https://batterysharks.com/sigmastek-sp12-9-battery.html Last edited by HDTV1080P; 10-14-2024 at 02:05 AM. |
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How many people here have had their electronic equipment damaged by surges, brownouts, and lighting strikes?
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While lighting strikes coming across the electrical grid into all the electrical outlets can be protected by a good quality UPS system. More than a decade ago I have experienced a lighting strike that instead hit around 50 feet from a house and created a weak but strong enough EMP field to take out an alarm system and any device that had a HDMI port. HDMI ports are very acceptable to EMP/CME since they use small miniature surface mount components (The component video still worked but no HDMI ports except for HDMI ports in some TV’s that used 4 separate chips and only the connected HDMI port was fried and needed repaired). The shielded custom desktop computers survived the miniature EMP but any cable box, TV, D-VHS, A/V receiver, or anything that had HDMI had the HDMI chip fried in the miniature EMP field the lighting created over ten years ago at another home I lived at. My point is you do not want a lighting strike to create a miniature EMP around one’s house, its sometimes better to have the lighting go across the power grid into the power outlet that is protected with UPS systems and good quality surge protectors.
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Then you should of put 'For Lightening' in the header then. lol
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Brown outs can be bad also..they constantly bombard your gear with dips in power that resets or shuts down gear. With a good UPS, several around the house in my case, as power dips and lights flicker or go off for a moment, my gear stays on and safe.
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If only the priest in Caddyshack had this! lol
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When one looks at all the electronics in the average home it can be costly to add low end and high-end UPS power backup systems. Protecting the computers, home entertainment rooms, and router used for Internet is the most important. Adding a UPS system to the hot water heater would be too costly for most people since hot water heaters can sometimes use over 5,000 watts and in general people add a whole house surge protector to the main circuit breaker. Kitchen appliances use 1500 watts to over 3000 watts sometimes. But most people do not need UPS power backup to kitchen appliances, just good surge and brownout protection.
I have not personally used any of the following low-cost power protection devices for kitchen appliances, but these are mostly products that just came out in the years 2022 to 2024 time frame with many of the products being late 2023 and 2024 models. The specs look good but I never used any of the following products to know if they work as advertised. On Amazon’s website there are these new Refrigerator Surge Protectors that do more then just protect against surges. They offer surge, spike, and brownout protection for 20-amp 120-volt AC devices by shutting down the refrigerator for 3 to 7 minutes during a surge or brownout. When the voltage is 135 volts AC or higher that is a surge and the refrigerator protector with three outlets will shut the power off to the connected devices for three minutes or up to 7 minutes depending on the configuration. Then if the voltage falls to 90 volts AC or lower that is considered to be a dangerous brownout with damaging voltage levels and the refrigerator surge protector will turn off the power to the connected devices for 3 to 7 minutes. Basically, these companies are creating low-cost line conditioners with no power backup. If the voltage level is normal, power stays on, but if the voltage is too high or too low the refrigerator line conditioner shuts completely off for 3 to 7 minutes. We are talking about products that are only under $40 in price. However, a true automatic voltage regulator that is several hundreds of dollars will stay on during a surge and makes sure the voltage does not go over 120 volts AC, but during brownouts below 100 volts AC if there is no battery device in the circuit the automatic voltage regulator will turn off the power when voltage falls below 100 volts AC, and will turn on again as soon as voltage is back to around 120 volts AC. https://www.amazon.com/ENDMAN-Refrig...dp/B0C2YLTWCS/ $37.99 for this neat looking Refrigerator product. But I have never tried this three outlet product. Again, I have not tried this product either, but for only $30.99 I like this two-outlet unit with LCD digital readout for voltage level. Only $30.99 for this Refrigerator Surge Protector. Comes in white or black from some Amazon dealers for $39.99 https://www.amazon.com/Refrigerator-.../dp/B09QCGN82D This low-cost $19.99 product is for kitchen appliances like Ovens and other appliances that use 220 volts AC at up to 20 amps. It uses a delay of 3 minutes with the power being turned off during surges and brownouts. Adjustable minimum and maximum voltages between 170 volts to 265 volts AC. https://www.amazon.com/BSEED-Applian.../dp/B07R3GK6DM Amazon also sells Whole House surge protection that lets you know when and if it got surged so bad that it needs replaced with a light telling one it is no longer offering surge protection. Requires a skilled electrician for installation. $237.10. Never tried this product but specs look ok for some homes. https://www.amazon.com/Siemens-Bolts.../dp/B0CW8XBFW9 Last edited by HDTV1080P; 10-14-2024 at 11:45 PM. |
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Awesome, this is a really helpful thread, HDTV1080P! Thank you for sharing this information with us, it's really appreciated. You see, I was just planning to build a new home theater system in my house sometime soon, and I'm looking for more details about which UPS systems would be viable for my setup, and what kind of equipment can I connect or not to the battery backup. From what I gather, audio equipment is a huge no-no, especially dedicated subwoofer speakers, as those take huge loads of power spontaneously and are nearly impossible to run without overloading the UPS when battery mode kicks in, unless you manage to acquire a really fancy and expensive UPS or we're talking about very small speakers or a simple DAC. So far, I don't have my eyes set on any specific television model at the moment, or even have the layout of the theater room in mind, but I will come back here to widen my research, and I do know that I am aiming for a 2.1 Hi-Fi Stereo system on my new setup plus I'll install at least one Panasonic DP-UP450 on my setup when all is done.
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So yes, I appreciate any sincere advice on how to further and correctly protect my electronics from poor electricity, what should I take into account when dealing with an uninterruptible power supply and the steps I need to take to improve my current installations. ![]() |
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I never plug subwoofers and Laser printers into UPS systems since they require a lot of power and the surge of current can trip the circuit breaker on some smaller UPS systems. But turning the UPS on and off resets the circuit breaker on the EC850LCD (there is also a red circuit breaker button on the side of that model that can trip). Just do not plug anymore then 510 watts on the battery outlets of the EC850LCD. Adding a line conditioner automatic voltage regulator to a UPS that does not have one is sometimes a possibility. However, if your line conditioner is rated for 1200 watts then 1200 watts is the maximum you can use when plugged directly into the wall, or a 1200-to-1500-watt UPS would work with a 1200-watt AVR. If you are plugging a 1200-watt AVR into a 510-watt UPS then you cannot use anymore then 510 watts of power before the circuit breaker trips on the UPS. But the AVR might use 50 to 100 watts by itself sometimes, so that would mean maybe only 400 watts can be used for the load. If in doubt pull the power plug on the UPS to verify everything is being powered on battery for 30 seconds to a minute. If you need 1000 watts you could go up to the CP1500PFCLCD pure sine wave model for $219.95. Maybe the PR1500RTXL2UCN with built in AVR and 1500 watts could be overkill if you already have an external 1200-watt AVR.
There are all kinds of amazing things that can be placed on UPS units to offer power protection during a power outage. Alarm systems nationwide already have a built in UPS 12-volt battery, but many people place a UPS system on their DVR security camera recorder and on their power supply for security cameras so 24 x 7 operation occurs. The UPS are mainly designed for desktop computers but many people over the last few decades started using them on routers, ethernet switches, home theater systems, two way wired video camera doorbell intercom systems, cable TV amplifiers, satellite switches, and TV antenna boosters. Basically, many people use a UPS on anything one does not want to lose power on during a power outage is ideal as long as one knows how many hours or minutes they are going to be on battery. Some models like the PR1500RTXL2UCN allow one to plug in large external battery packs for someone that has oxygen equipment for medical needs during a power outage. Of course, the ideal setup is living in a housing community where natural gas exists, since then one can install a whole house generator if the homeowner association allows it. Then only 30 seconds to 1 minute the batteries are used in a UPS, since within 1 minute or less the natural gas whole house generator will power the home once grid power is lost. Of course, some homes do not have natural gas, and many condos and apartments do not have generators, so getting a UPS for power backup is ideal for 2 minutes to 90+ minutes of power backup depending on the UPS model and the load size. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 10-17-2024 at 02:20 AM. |
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Lithium batteries are not compatible with any Cyperpower UPS system on the market. One must only use lead acid batteries only.
In the future hopefully companies will start making chargers and UPS systems with lithium batteries. Since one would get double the capacity and instead of 1 hour power backup with lead acid battery pack it would be 2 hours with lithium battery pack. Also, lithium batteries have half the weight and up to 8 times more of a lifespan. New special chargers and UPS systems would need to be made to accept lithium batteries. According to Cyperpower systems lithium batteries are not supported with any of their current models. Here is the latest 12 volt lithium battery technology that is being made for various outdoor electronic gear. Maybe one day a UPS power backup and charger might be able to use a lithium battery like this. https://www.sager.com/new-products/d...v-10ah-battery (never use a battery like this in any current model of Cyberpower UPS systems, all past and present models of Cyberpower UPS systems use lead acid batteries only according to the specs and according to technical customer support). *** Important Update: Cyberpower customer service was wrong when they told me that all their UPS systems use lead acid batteries. While its true that 100% of past Cyberpower Systems UPS systems used lead acid batteries and 95% of current Cyberpower systems UPS systems still only use lead acid batteries. The good news is that starting in 2024 Cyberpower systems along with other UPS companies for around 5% of their ultra high-end UPS systems does make some UPS systems with built in lithium charges and ship with lithium batteries. *** Last edited by HDTV1080P; 12-22-2024 at 05:47 AM. Reason: important update added |
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Perhaps people have been abusing New Eggs return policy on the top of the line PR1500RTXL2UCN. I see now this item according to the New Egg website is no longer accepting returns or exchanges but instead any problems are covered with the manufactories 3 year warranty program. However some other authorized Cyperpower systems dealers are still accepting returns and exchanges within a 30 day period on that model. Sometimes the power cord connector gets damaged in shipping and some dealers do not want to deal with the expensive and trouble of a return or exchange. I wish Cyperpwoer systems would make the power cord detachable in padding on the top of the shipping box just like they do for the faceplate. If the power cord was shipped detached in padding it would greatly reduce damaged shipments. Some delivery companies toss around the 82 pound box. The PR1500RTXL2UCN is a top-of-the-line high quality UPS unit that can last 7 to 20+ years in theory as long as they arrive undamaged (the more surges and lightning strikes the shorter the lifespan on a UPS system will be). Great for high-end home theater setups and high and computers.
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The first issue is that Cyberpower customer service was wrong when they told me that all their UPS systems use lead acid batteries. While its true that 100% of past Cyberpower Systems UPS systems used lead acid batteries and 95% of current Cyberpower systems UPS systems still only use lead acid batteries. The good news is that starting in 2024 Cyberpower systems along with other UPS companies for around 5% of their ultra high-end UPS systems does make some UPS systems with built in lithium charges and ship with lithium batteries. A few months ago, I purchased the year 2023 Cyberpower systems UPS with a model number of PR1500RTXL2UCN. That PR1500RTXL2UCN has a list price of $1,417 and a street price of $1,239.95. This is the best 1500-watt lead acid battery UPS model on the market. https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr...r1500rtxl2ucn/ https://dl4jz3rbrsfum.cloudfront.net...00RTXL2UCN.pdf However, it has come recently to my attention after doing extensive research that in the year 2024 that Cyberpower systems did release a new 1500-watt UPS unit with a model number of PRL1500RT2UC with a list price of $2,700 ($3,000 with the optional RMCARD205 ethernet jack) and a street price of $2,369.95 or a street price of $2,670 with the optional RMCARD205 ethernet card. So bottom line if one is willing to pay $1,430 more for their UPS system, they can get the new year 2024 model that has a lithium battery pack. But there are some negatives about this system. The first issue is the RMCARD205 ethernet card does not come pre-installed therefore one has to take the time to install it manually (it boggles the mind why this system does not come with the ethernet card pre-installed). The second issue is this new lithium 1500-watt UPS does not have the ports to install an external battery pack since Cyberpower systems does not make an external lithium battery pack. Only the lead acid 1500-watt UPS system has the external battery pack ports. A little less weight for the lithium model. But in general, all the other specs are the same except for some unknown reason Cyberpower systems uses a smaller battery lithium size battery pack which results in only a couple of minutes of extra run time capacity over the lead acid model. But if the same size 12-volt battery pack would have been used in the lithium version, it would have in theory resulted in double the time of the lead acid model. For example, the 1500-watt lead acid model at full 1500-watt load has a run time of 6.5 minutes versus 8.7 minutes for the lithium 1500-watt model. At half load of 750 watts the lead acid 1500-watt model has a run time of 17.9 minutes and the lithium 1500-watt model at half load 750 watts has a run time of 18.7 minutes. But if the same size lithium batteries would have been used in the battery pack, then 13 minutes full load 1500 watt and 36 minutes half load at 750 watts would be possible. And theoretically 2 hours at 200 watts would have been easy if the lithium battery pack used a total of four 12.8 volt 12ah batteries instead of the smaller 12.8 volts 6ah batteries. The only real advantage of the lithium UPS model is the battery pack life. The lead acid battery pack used in the $1,239.95 model is rated to last 3-5 years. Where as the lithium battery pack is rated to last 8-10 years. Though I am disappointed that lower capacity lithium battery pack is used instead of a much higher capacity lithium batteries. Bottom line if one does not need an external battery pack outlet, and one wants the top of the line, spend the extra $1,430 for the lithium 1500-watt model for a total street price with network card of $2,670. https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr.../prl1500rt2uc/ https://dl4jz3rbrsfum.cloudfront.net...L1500RT2UC.pdf However personally since the only major difference between the lithium and lead acid model is if one wants to change the battery pack every 5 years for the lead acid and every 10 years for the lithium version, then for me I am most likely going to stick with the lead acid PR1500RTXL2UCN for $1,239.95, since it’s a savings of $1,430. So, any additional 1500-watt models in the future I purchase will most likely be the lead acid which has the external ports for large lead acid battery packs. Great to see Cyberpower systems make a new lithium 1500-watt UPS unit, and maybe when and if UPS systems are one day all made with lithium batteries, then maybe the prices might come down for the lithium models. In the last year or two the United States market has been flooded with lithium batteries that claim they work in old UPS systems designed for lead acid batteries The lithium battery manufactories have flooded the United States market with all these low cost 12.8 volt DC 12AH lithium batteries in the last year or two for only $49.99, and these batteries have the same size and terminals as the lead acid batteries. If the lithium batteries are truly not compatible with lead acid UPS systems because of the old lead acid charger, then why were these batteries made with the same metal terminals? Battery companies should have placed different terminals on the lithium batteries so that lithium batteries can only be connected to lithium chargers. For example, this 12-volt lithium battery at Amazon claims that it works with up to 1500-watt UPS systems. https://www.amazon.com/XZNY-Compact-...CLJDWH2S/?th=1 Is the following statement true? “Can use the same charger as SLA batteries in most cases (limited to a voltage of 14.6 volts” https://www.batterymart.com/p-lfp121...4-battery.html But doing research online it appears that a lead acid battery charger when charging up a lithium battery will sometimes damage the lithium battery and sometimes only charge the battery up 80%. This is one reason why I wish the lithium battery companies instead of flooding the USA market with these lithium size batteries should have created custom battery terminals so only lithium chargers can be connected to the batteries, since 4 years ago all that was offered in this battery size was lead acid batteries. Only using one battery in a UPS system is less complicated, but when using 2 batteries or 4 batteries in series makes the issue much more complicated. Select quotes “The question we recently get from our customers is if “LiFePO4 batteries can be charged with Lead Acid charger. Please find below the answer why it shouldn’t be done. Simple answer: it is POSSIBLE, but you have to be VERY CAREFUL and you RISK your battery life.” “If you want to use a lead acid charger on a lithium battery you can, HOWEVER, you must NOT use a lead-acid charger if it has an automatic “equalisation mode”, which cannot be permanently turned off. A lead-acid charger that can be set to charge no higher than 14.6v can be used for regular charging and then MUST be disconnected after the battery is fully charged. DO NOT leave the lead-acid charger connected to maintain or store the battery, because most will NOT maintain the proper voltage charge algorithm for lithium batteries and damage will occur to the battery and this is not covered under battery warranty.” "Ultimately, using a battery charger with a specific Lithium charge algorithm is the best option for maximum performance and lifespan of any lithium battery.” https://glider-battery.eu/post4-1/ So far, I have never purchased a lithium battery for a UPS system. Bottom line in the future I decided to continue to only purchase lead acid batteries for UPS systems with lead acid chargers. Also, in the future I plan on sticking with 1500-watt lead acid UPS systems since they cost $1,430 cheaper in price when compared to a lithium-based UPS systems. If I have to change the battery every 5 years instead of every 10 years, that is worth saving $1,430 by purchasing the lead acid UPS system. For safety reasons and so that one does not damage a battery, when replacing 12-volt batteries for lead acid UPS systems, only use 12-volt lead acid batteries. Some UPS systems use 1 battery, 2 batteries, or 4 batteries. In my experience the best lead acid battery to use in most Cyberpower systems UPS units is the SigmasTek SP12-9 model. Maybe one day all UPS systems in 10 years might be lithium models with lithium chargers, but until that day arrives lead acid batteries are guaranteed to work correctly in UPS systems with lead acid based chargers. https://batterysharks.com/sigmastek-sp12-9-battery.html Last edited by HDTV1080P; 12-22-2024 at 05:23 AM. |
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There are two other advantages to the lithium PRL1500RT2UC, it has a 5-year product warranty with a battery charge time of 2 hours. Whereas the lead acid PR1500RTXL2UCN has a 3-year product warranty with a battery charge time of 3 hours. While both 1500-watt pure sine wave UPS systems are top of the line for home theater room protection and high-end computer protection, most consumers are not going to want to pay $2,670 for the lithium version with networking card and will decide to save $1,430 and purchase the lead acid version with networking card for only $1,240. Change the battery every 8-10 years on the lithium version and change the battery every 3-5 years on the lead acid version is the big difference between the two. Electronics are both the same except a different charging system. Can be mounted vertically or horizontally on the floor, cabinet, or rack mounted. At around 200 watt load both units should offer around 1 hour of power on batteries.
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Some very large home theater rooms might need 3,000 watts of UPS power protection. The lithium PRL3000RT2UC that requires a special NEMA L5-30P electrical outlet uses a bigger lithium battery pack with QTY of four 12.8 volts DC 9ah batteries. List price $3,500.
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I have not personally used this model. However, the Vertiv Liebert GXT5 8000-watt Lithium Ion based UPS for $12,096 looks ideal for some businesses and mansion applications.
https://www.newegg.com/vertiv-lieber...82E16842988050 I have not personally used this model. However, this $9,483 5,000-watt UPS system from APC that uses lithium-ion batteries and looks like a good unit for business and high-end applications. Model is 55% lighter because of the lithium batteries used versus UPS lead acid battery models are heavier. https://www.newegg.com/p/2FT-0001-00...9SIA8H5K674471 I wish someone would invent a whole house UPS system and whole house UPS generator combination model. Some mansions and large homes would love a whole house pure sine wave UPS system/generator combination unit that does 200,000 watts, 100,000 watts, 75,000 watts, 50,000 watts, and 25,000 watts. Even a small natural gas generator at 25,000 watts with a 25,000-watt lithium lion battery pack would be extremely expensive unless made in large quantity. But I would love to one day own a Cyperpower UPS generator combo unit that would result in all electrical outlets in the business or home never losing power during a power outage from the power company. As far as I am aware all professional business and mansion whole house UPS systems are indoors away from the outdoor whole house generator. But lead acid batteries sometimes have a better temperature range outdoors for the extreme hot weather in Texas and the extreme cold weather in Alaska. A special Lithium battery would need to be designed to work between -80F to +160F. This might be the reason no one has developed an outdoor whole house UPS system with generator combination. And the indoor whole house UPS systems for over one million dollars are usually in a dedicated room in a large mansion away from the outdoor whole house 100,000-watt natural gas generator. Keeping the whole house lithium battery pack inside offers better battery performance and longevity when compared to outdoors. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 01-25-2025 at 09:22 AM. |
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Since 95% of UPS systems on the market use lead acid chargers. I have been purchasing the top of the line SigmasTek SP12-9 lead acid batteries for several years for use in various brands of UPS systems that use 4 batteries, 2 batteries, and 1 battery. So far, this battery has never melted out of shape or overheated like some other brands. And the voltage under a load has been perfect. The batteries over several years have all been made in China. However just recently on my last batch of batteries I ordered, I noticed the quality of the battery under a load is not as good as it use to be. These last batch of batteries I just received are made in Thailand instead of China. And where a battery is made should not make a difference since the exact same brand and model of battery is suppose to have the exact same specs regardless of which country is making the battery. However, from my test results the old SigmasTek SP12-9 batteries from China are better when compared to the SigmasTek SP12-9 batteries that were made in Thailand (at least that is true for the new batch I received from Thailand, and might not be true for all batches from Thailand). For example, a cheap low cost 1 battery or 2 battery simulated sine wave UPS system is suppose to measure around 101.2 volts AC when coming out of the UPS invertor, and that is what I get from the old batteries from China. But when I tried the new batch of batteries from Thailand I get around 90 volts to 94 volts AC output even on a dual battery simulated sine wave unit. So, the new batch of batteries in a dual battery unit I am getting around 7 to 11 volts less when measuring what is coming out of the UPS inverter. The SigmasTek SP12-9 from China give a 101.2 volts AC output, but the Thailand SigmasTek SP12-9 are outputting around 90 to 94 volts AC and are not doing as good under a load when one uses a UPS inverrter. I did not try the new batch of batteries on the low cost 1000-watt pure sine wave UPS unit that uses two batteries at around 115 volts AC output. But the UPS systems for around $1,240 that uses four batteries has a quality automatic voltage regulator that is able to compensate for various battery quality and the voltage on an older 4 battery model was around 119.1 volts AC output with very clean sine wave when using the SigmasTek SP12-9 batteries made in Thailand. But on a more expensive UPS system with automatic voltage regulator when inverting 48 volts DC to 120 volts AC, just about any 12-volt DC lead acid battery can be used, its on the cheaper low cost simulated sine wave UPS units that one starts to noticing the difference in battery quality.
Buyer beware the new batch of SigmasTek SP12-9 batteries from Thailand when under a load from the UPS DC to AC inverter on a two battery simulated sine wave unit were putting out around 90 volts to 94 volts AC instead of 101.2 volts AC that the exact same batteries made in China were doing. This would mean either the batch of batteries made in Thailand are slightly out of specs when under a load or those batch of batteries I recently received from my supplier was defective. 90 volts AC is still above the damaging 80 volts AC that brownouts occur, but nothing beats the 4-pack pure sine wave 1500-watt UPS systems from Cyperpower systems with quality voltage regulators that is able to compensate for different quality levels in 12-volt lead acid batteries, and output a stable voltage around 119.2 volts DC all the time regardless of battery quality (of course when battery drains all the way down UPS shuts down until grid power is restored). Last edited by HDTV1080P; 01-25-2025 at 02:51 AM. |
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