Lord of the Rings and Bitrates

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

I wasn't aware anyone actually would want to watch the theatrical versions again.

You may not be aware of that, but New Line is. I would be happy to place a wager that the theatrical versions will come to Blu-ray first.

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

And as you've demonstrated a lot of times, you don't know anything about a lot of aspects of production.

Interesting slam giving the lack of comprehension of compression you've shown in this thread with:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

BD-50, like DVD-9 before it really taps out at 2.5 hours for optimal audio and video performance

and your justification for that claim. It wouldn't surprise me if the other things you are thinking of are also cases where you don't understand the subject matter as well as you think you do. Can you back up your claim about my understanding by showing a specific example? I hope it won't be one of those where some people here have showed their ignorance about disc production issues, but please go ahead and back up your claim. I'm really interested to see what you can come up with.

I guarantee you and others here that paidgeek will not agree with your:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

BD-50, like DVD-9 before it really taps out at 2.5 hours for optimal audio and video performance

You could use your mod status to delete this post and keep readers from seeing that you don't know the subject matter that well, or you could be a man and stand up and let paidgeek comment on that when he gets back (or figure out on your own that you misled readers here with your claim). If he will comment on your claim, then people can decide whether to believe him or you. But just for a clue in case you think paidgeek will actually agree with you, you can look at The Patriot, where Sony put a 2 hour and 55 minute movie on a BD50 (with PCM for English, 4 other DD tracks, and subtitles in many languages). Or look at Sony's Across the Universe coming out next week, which is listed as 133 minutes and Sony put at least 130 minutes of HD extras on there (with one BD50 for the release) according to highdefdigest. I guess somebody should tell paidgeek that you say BD50s tap out at 2.5 hours for optimal audio and video performance, since Sony put over 4 hours of HD content on that one disc and even if you allow for lower bitrates for extras, they would have to cram those 130 minutes of HD extras into the equivalent of about 20 minutes worth of space leftover after the movie.

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

I cited Pirates 3, which at 168 minutes, and full of major complicated action/battle scenes, as weel as a similar color scheme/shooting process to LOTR

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...16&postcount=3

The disc size is 45GB, with an average bitrate of 22.14 for the video

As I mentioned previously, there are definately scenes that show signs of being bitstarved.

And how did you decide that they were being bitstarved? You just said that the disc size is 45GB, so if bit starvation was the problem, then why do you think they left all that empty space on the disc?

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

So given that Fellowship is 178min (208min EE), 179min(223 EE) for Two Towers, and Return of the King 201 min (251 EE), I fail to see how they could be placed onto a single disc, or have a lower bitrate without severely compromising the quality.

You may fail to see it, but that doesn't make it so. If you understood more about compression, maybe you would see why your logic for your claim about BD50s and 2.5 hours is faulty.

Originally Posted by Bullseye

I have Alexander which is on two discs. If it means the best possible quality i see no problem with two discs.

Alexander was 214 minutes (over 3 and a half hours) in 50GB, although spread over 2 discs. And if it is the same video transfer as the HD DVD (which I believe it is), then the video actually takes up less than 30GB according to data compiled by benes.

As another example, the Director's Cut of Troy was 198 minutes and in 30GB on HD DVD with a 16/48 TrueHD track. Going to 20/48 wouldn't add much. That cut of Troy is 3 minutes shorter than the theatrical release of ROTK, longer than either of the other two theatrical versions of the LOTR movies, and only 10 minutes shorter than the extended version of the first LOTR movie, but the video takes up less than 28GB. That Troy is VC-1 (on both formats), and New Line could use VC-1 for the LOTR movies if they want to (I don't know if they will still be using it by the time these come out).

I think it is sad that a mod here is misleading readers about a subject he doesn't have that great a grasp of, and then when I try to steer things toward the truth nicely (IMO), decides to take the tact he did. I didn't stand aside as Amir misled people on AVS about compression and I'm not going to stand aside as WickyWoo misleads people here about compression just because it might get me banned so that readers won't see the truth. I wonder if the owners here want a mod telling people that BD50s top out at 2.5 hours for optimal video and audio while paidgeek and Sony are putting way more than that on BD50s.

If this ends up being my last post, I suggest that people ask paidgeek about the limitations of BD50s, when he gets back, and don't just trust this 2.5 hour limitation claim.

--Darin