Brian Eno FOREVERANDEVERNONORE Blu-ray - Blu-ray Forum

supervij · 09-15-2022, 12:56 PM

FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE SDE-exclusive blu-ray audio
Dolby Atmos, 5.1 and stereo mixes • #5 in the SDE Surround Series

FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE, the forthcoming album from Brian Eno, is available to pre-order exclusively via the SDE shop on the blu-ray audio format.

FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE is Eno's 22nd studio album and was recorded in his West London and Norfolk studios. The long-player sees Brian sing on the majority of tracks for the first time on an album since 2005’s Another Day On Earth.

It includes the song 'There Were Bells' which concerns the current climate emergency, a theme that is explored throughout the album and 'We Let It In’, a haunting hymnal in which Eno’s daughter Darla sings an angelic counterpoint to Brian’s vocal.

The album is made up of 10 distinct songs and Brian has experimented on the record using tonal over major chord changes. Of it, he says, “My voice has changed, it’s lowered, it’s become a different personality I can sing from. I don’t want to sing like a teenager, it can be melancholic, a bit regretful. As for writing songs again - it’s more landscapes, but this time with humans in them.

I like creating worlds, that's what I do as an artist. Now after quite a long absence of humans in those worlds I have tried putting one in and seeing how they feel in the world I've made."

The Atmos Mix was created by Brian Eno himself. This is what the mix engineer, Emre Ramazanoglu, had to say about Brian's work on the Atmos Mix of FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE:

"It was fascinating approaching this Atmos mix with Brian in the room. He approached the mix in an extremely unorthodox fashion, removing the concept of a 'front' in the mix stage. It's a fully immersive experience unlike others I have mixed. The song was still kept at the heart of the Atmos transformation though and he paid enormous attention to the position of each element and how that supported the piece as a whole. There will be also be differences from the stereo mix other than the spatial reimagining, due to the creative process that involved certain elements being subtly different from the original stereo masters."

SDE has heard the Atmos Mix and concurs with Emre. It's spectacular spatial audio mix of a wonderfully atmospheric album. This is one you do not want to miss!

The SDE-exclusive blu-ray audio of FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE will be available to pre-order for one week only (ends 22 September) and will feature the following audio streams:

Dolby Atmos Mix
Stereo Mix (48/24)

This is the only way to enjoy the Dolby Atmos mix of the album via a physical product. Unlike on streaming, the Atmos Mix is not compressed and you own the product, you are not renting it from a digital service provider! Don't miss out.

This FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE SDE-exclusive blu-ray audio will be released on 14 October 2022. This comes with a collectible numbered SDE slipcase!

Order here: https://www.thesdeshop.com/collectio...-blu-ray-audio

McCrutchy · 09-15-2022, 01:14 PM

dobyblue · 09-15-2022, 01:34 PM

Sold, largely because of this: "He approached the mix in an extremely unorthodox fashion, removing the concept of a 'front' in the mix stage. It's a fully immersive experience unlike others I have mixed."

Maybe I'll love it, maybe I'll hate it, but I'm definitely intrigued enough to order it.

Ray O. Blu · 09-16-2022, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Sold, largely because of this: "He approached the mix in an extremely unorthodox fashion, removing the concept of a 'front' in the mix stage. It's a fully immersive experience unlike others I have mixed."

Maybe I'll love it, maybe I'll hate it, but I'm definitely intrigued enough to order it.

You echoed my sentiments exactly. I also was intrigued by the same “fully immersive soundstage” comment.
The two songs I listened to on iTunes sounded a lot like living soundscapes, in a way, or like a soundtrack kind of vibe.
I want to support SDE and these releases as much as possible so they continue making them, so I’ll probably order one as well.

keenly · 09-17-2022, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray O. Blu

You echoed my sentiments exactly. I also was intrigued by the same “fully immersive soundstage” comment.
The two songs I listened to on iTunes sounded a lot like living soundscapes, in a way, or like a soundtrack kind of vibe.
I want to support SDE and these releases as much as possible so they continue making them, so I’ll probably order one as well.

Lol there is no such thing. Sounds very pretentious, just like climate con artist Eno. He is a nut job.

bigshot · 09-17-2022, 05:40 PM

Eno is largely a fraud, just like Andy Warhol. But like Warhol, he does have skills. Primary among those is the ability to create a wide variety of sound environments. His music may not be particularly musical, but it is atmospheric. And to me that is a match made in heaven for multichannel sound.

A lot of multichannel music is mixed conservatively, with instruments anchored in corners. The reason for this is that you can predict how it's going to sound on a wide range of system installations. Most people with home theaters just chuck speakers in a room without considering acoustics. Or they have a wife that dictates where in the room speakers are allowed and where they're not. When a sound object is primarily coming from a single channel, it will sound decent no matter how messed up the installation is.

But if a system is properly calibrated, it's possible to place sound objects within the room. This depends on the strength of the rear channels to mesh with the fronts. If they are all equal and balanced sound can transition from fronts to rears and create fully immersive three dimensionality. A couple of examples are The Beatles' "Good Morning" where the fox hunt crosses from front right to rear left above your head. And the guitar solo in Elton John's "Rocketman" where the sound of the guitar starts in the front center and slowly moves to the center of the room right in front of the listening position. There are lots of examples in Kraftwerk's "Catalogue" too. If you have a well calibrated system, these effects are uncanny. If your system is a little bit off, it just sounds like normal surround with things across the front and back wall.

The Beatles Sgt Pepper album was panned as "not surround enough" partly because of this. The music was placed in the center of the room and a lot of people were hearing it flat against the walls because of their setup. (Another reason was that the rear channels were attenuated by -6dB, completely negating any immersiveness. I think Brian Eno is a producer who isn't afraid of treading into non-standard territory. Heck, he suggested people rewire their speakers to make a Haafler Doss Sum And Matrix Surround setup on one album. Immediately after he did that, I noticed a bunch of other producers implementing matrixed surround into their mixes.

With his history of experimenting with surround sound, I'm very interested to see what Eno comes up with. The music is secondary to that.

keenly · 09-18-2022, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigshot

Eno is largely a fraud, just like Andy Warhol. But like Warhol, he does have skills. Primary among those is the ability to create a wide variety of sound environments. His music may not be particularly musical, but it is atmospheric. And to me that is a match made in heaven for multichannel sound.

A lot of multichannel music is mixed conservatively, with instruments anchored in corners. The reason for this is that you can predict how it's going to sound on a wide range of system installations. Most people with home theaters just chuck speakers in a room without considering acoustics. Or they have a wife that dictates where in the room speakers are allowed and where they're not. When a sound object is primarily coming from a single channel, it will sound decent no matter how messed up the installation is.

But if a system is properly calibrated, it's possible to place sound objects within the room. This depends on the strength of the rear channels to mesh with the fronts. If they are all equal and balanced sound can transition from fronts to rears and create fully immersive three dimensionality. A couple of examples are The Beatles' "Good Morning" where the fox hunt crosses from front right to rear left above your head. And the guitar solo in Elton John's "Rocketman" where the sound of the guitar starts in the front center and slowly moves to the center of the room right in front of the listening position. There are lots of examples in Kraftwerk's "Catalogue" too. If you have a well calibrated system, these effects are uncanny. If your system is a little bit off, it just sounds like normal surround with things across the front and back wall.

The Beatles Sgt Pepper album was panned as "not surround enough" partly because of this. The music was placed in the center of the room and a lot of people were hearing it flat against the walls because of their setup. (Another reason was that the rear channels were attenuated by -6dB, completely negating any immersiveness. I think Brian Eno is a producer who isn't afraid of treading into non-standard territory. Heck, he suggested people rewire their speakers to make a Haafler Doss Sum And Matrix Surround setup on one album. Immediately after he did that, I noticed a bunch of other producers implementing matrixed surround into their mixes.

With his history of experimenting with surround sound, I'm very interested to see what Eno comes up with. The music is secondary to that.

Andy warhol had skills? Lol I thought he was a talentless psy op on the masses. He could not paint, draw, sculpt ot do anything. I am pretty sure he was CIA. Another plot to dumb down the masses. Look at what came after; frames with blank backgrounds being sold for millions as art. It got dumber and dumber, less and less talent.

kwisatzhaderach · 09-19-2022, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigshot

Eno is largely a fraud

One of the dumbest things i've ever read on the internet. Congrats.

bigshot · 09-17-2022, 05:47 PM

One more thing I forgot to mention...

If you listen to how most multichannel is mixed (not talking about Atmos here), you'll noticed that sound objects are placed between two speakers. Drums are usually halfway between the mains. Solo guitars that are on the left or right are potted somewhere between the front and rear of that side to pull the sound outward from the front soundstage. You almost never hear diagonal pairing, which is what creates immersive placement of objects within the center of the room.

Ray O. Blu · 09-17-2022, 06:17 PM

Thank you for the insight on Eno from both of you. I’ve never listened to anything he put out. I also don’t know anything about him at all. Just was thinking about supporting SDE and more surround releases.
That was a good read, bigshot. Some interesting info there.

keenly · 09-19-2022, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigshot

One more thing I forgot to mention...

If you listen to how most multichannel is mixed (not talking about Atmos here), you'll noticed that sound objects are placed between two speakers. Drums are usually halfway between the mains. Solo guitars that are on the left or right are potted somewhere between the front and rear of that side to pull the sound outward from the front soundstage. You almost never hear diagonal pairing, which is what creates immersive placement of objects within the center of the room.

Diagonal panning is moronic. Sounds horrible. 70's quad mix have diagonal panning in the bass guitar, with the goal of the bass being in center of room. 99% does not work.

rltilley · 09-18-2022, 04:03 AM

I pre-ordered this as well. Mainly due to the promise of an oddball, immersive mix. I have a decent amount of Eno in my collection and do like a lot of what he does. I don’t think I have any of his stuff from 1980 to now so I’m curious to hear what he’s been up to.

bigshot · 09-18-2022, 06:13 PM

Andy Warhol was a good graphic designer.

bigshot · 09-20-2022, 01:16 AM

"Oblique strategies" was one of the dumbest techniques I've ever seen a producer use in the recording studio.

McCrutchy · 10-03-2022, 03:04 AM

FYI: This was posted yesterday (Saturday) and as of right now (early on Monday, 3 October in the UK) copies are still available:

Quote:

01 OCT 2022

Last chance to secure a Brian Eno blu-ray audio
Pre-orders for FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE are about to close

BY PAUL SINCLAIR

Thanks for all your enthusiasm for the Brian Eno FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE blu-ray audio, which is #5 in the SDE Surround Series.

I can reveal that this special edition, which features Brian’s Dolby Atmos Mix of the album (the only place it’s available physically) will be limited to 2500 units worldwide and we are almost sold out.

We’ve extended the pre-order window by a couple of days so that you have one last weekend to secure your copy of this item.

Don’t miss out – place your pre-order by either heading off to the SDE shop using this link, or alternatively use the ‘buy button’ below. Remember this product is exclusive to SDE – we ship worldwide.

This is released on 14 October so not long to wait. It will ship in a special collectors’ edition SDE Surround Series slipcase.

https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/...blu-ray-audio/

dobyblue · 10-03-2022, 01:00 PM

I ordered mine and the previous Sister title was still in stock so ordered both to save on shipping - was just 7 pounds for two BDs to Canada which I'm okay with.

rexinnih · 10-05-2022, 10:41 PM

Got this one also pre-ordered. Sister is on the way

supervij · 10-06-2022, 02:25 AM

Just fyi, you can contact SDE and ask them to cancel an order so that you can re-order it plus other stuff in order to save on shipping. That’s what I did when Eno was announced. I asked them to cancel my order of Shakespeare’s Sister so that I could reorder and add Eno to the order.

dobyblue · 10-06-2022, 01:46 PM

Great tip, thanks supervij

supervij · 11-25-2022, 04:00 AM

Finally had the chance to listen to this and I’m not terribly impressed. The whole “removing the concept of the front of the mix stage” is not what I thought it’d be. I thought sounds and vocals would come from all over the place, it was mainly coming from the rear. In fact, the whole thing seemed like a “the rear is the new front” to me. And the music was fine, as ambient music goes. But I confess it made me kinda sleepy. And yet I read glowing reviews of this album! What am I missing (besides taste, I guess)?

09-15-2022, 12:56 PM	#1
supervij Special Member Member since:Apr 2011 Location:Toronto, Ontario, Canada 4K collection:1004 Blu-ray collection:2466	Brian Eno FOREVERANDEVERNONORE Blu-ray FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE SDE-exclusive blu-ray audio Dolby Atmos, 5.1 and stereo mixes • #5 in the SDE Surround Series FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE, the forthcoming album from Brian Eno, is available to pre-order exclusively via the SDE shop on the blu-ray audio format. FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE is Eno's 22nd studio album and was recorded in his West London and Norfolk studios. The long-player sees Brian sing on the majority of tracks for the first time on an album since 2005’s Another Day On Earth. It includes the song 'There Were Bells' which concerns the current climate emergency, a theme that is explored throughout the album and 'We Let It In’, a haunting hymnal in which Eno’s daughter Darla sings an angelic counterpoint to Brian’s vocal. The album is made up of 10 distinct songs and Brian has experimented on the record using tonal over major chord changes. Of it, he says, “My voice has changed, it’s lowered, it’s become a different personality I can sing from. I don’t want to sing like a teenager, it can be melancholic, a bit regretful. As for writing songs again - it’s more landscapes, but this time with humans in them. I like creating worlds, that's what I do as an artist. Now after quite a long absence of humans in those worlds I have tried putting one in and seeing how they feel in the world I've made." The Atmos Mix was created by Brian Eno himself. This is what the mix engineer, Emre Ramazanoglu, had to say about Brian's work on the Atmos Mix of FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE: "It was fascinating approaching this Atmos mix with Brian in the room. He approached the mix in an extremely unorthodox fashion, removing the concept of a 'front' in the mix stage. It's a fully immersive experience unlike others I have mixed. The song was still kept at the heart of the Atmos transformation though and he paid enormous attention to the position of each element and how that supported the piece as a whole. There will be also be differences from the stereo mix other than the spatial reimagining, due to the creative process that involved certain elements being subtly different from the original stereo masters." SDE has heard the Atmos Mix and concurs with Emre. It's spectacular spatial audio mix of a wonderfully atmospheric album. This is one you do not want to miss! The SDE-exclusive blu-ray audio of FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE will be available to pre-order for one week only (ends 22 September) and will feature the following audio streams: Dolby Atmos Mix Stereo Mix (48/24) This is the only way to enjoy the Dolby Atmos mix of the album via a physical product. Unlike on streaming, the Atmos Mix is not compressed and you own the product, you are not renting it from a digital service provider! Don't miss out. This FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE SDE-exclusive blu-ray audio will be released on 14 October 2022. This comes with a collectible numbered SDE slipcase! Order here: https://www.thesdeshop.com/collectio...-blu-ray-audio

09-15-2022, 01:14 PM	#2
McCrutchy Contributor Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:East Coast, USA Home Theater Gallery:2 4K collection:1263 Blu-ray collection:6773 DVD collection:253 Blu-ray reviews: 5 Trading Score:17

09-15-2022, 01:34 PM	#3
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Sold, largely because of this: "He approached the mix in an extremely unorthodox fashion, removing the concept of a 'front' in the mix stage. It's a fully immersive experience unlike others I have mixed." Maybe I'll love it, maybe I'll hate it, but I'm definitely intrigued enough to order it.

09-17-2022, 05:40 PM	#6
bigshot Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2010 Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:82 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:3	Eno is largely a fraud, just like Andy Warhol. But like Warhol, he does have skills. Primary among those is the ability to create a wide variety of sound environments. His music may not be particularly musical, but it is atmospheric. And to me that is a match made in heaven for multichannel sound. A lot of multichannel music is mixed conservatively, with instruments anchored in corners. The reason for this is that you can predict how it's going to sound on a wide range of system installations. Most people with home theaters just chuck speakers in a room without considering acoustics. Or they have a wife that dictates where in the room speakers are allowed and where they're not. When a sound object is primarily coming from a single channel, it will sound decent no matter how messed up the installation is. But if a system is properly calibrated, it's possible to place sound objects within the room. This depends on the strength of the rear channels to mesh with the fronts. If they are all equal and balanced sound can transition from fronts to rears and create fully immersive three dimensionality. A couple of examples are The Beatles' "Good Morning" where the fox hunt crosses from front right to rear left above your head. And the guitar solo in Elton John's "Rocketman" where the sound of the guitar starts in the front center and slowly moves to the center of the room right in front of the listening position. There are lots of examples in Kraftwerk's "Catalogue" too. If you have a well calibrated system, these effects are uncanny. If your system is a little bit off, it just sounds like normal surround with things across the front and back wall. The Beatles Sgt Pepper album was panned as "not surround enough" partly because of this. The music was placed in the center of the room and a lot of people were hearing it flat against the walls because of their setup. (Another reason was that the rear channels were attenuated by -6dB, completely negating any immersiveness. I think Brian Eno is a producer who isn't afraid of treading into non-standard territory. Heck, he suggested people rewire their speakers to make a Haafler Doss Sum And Matrix Surround setup on one album. Immediately after he did that, I noticed a bunch of other producers implementing matrixed surround into their mixes. With his history of experimenting with surround sound, I'm very interested to see what Eno comes up with. The music is secondary to that.

09-17-2022, 05:47 PM	#9
bigshot Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2010 Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:82 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:3	One more thing I forgot to mention... If you listen to how most multichannel is mixed (not talking about Atmos here), you'll noticed that sound objects are placed between two speakers. Drums are usually halfway between the mains. Solo guitars that are on the left or right are potted somewhere between the front and rear of that side to pull the sound outward from the front soundstage. You almost never hear diagonal pairing, which is what creates immersive placement of objects within the center of the room.

09-17-2022, 06:17 PM	#10
Ray O. Blu Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Sep 2008 Location:The £ßÇ 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- Blu-ray reviews:50 Trading Score:6	Thank you for the insight on Eno from both of you. I’ve never listened to anything he put out. I also don’t know anything about him at all. Just was thinking about supporting SDE and more surround releases. That was a good read, bigshot. Some interesting info there.

09-18-2022, 04:03 AM	#12
rltilley Active Member Member since:Mar 2010 Location:San Diego, CA 4K collection:541 Blu-ray collection:2044 DVD collection:159	I pre-ordered this as well. Mainly due to the promise of an oddball, immersive mix. I have a decent amount of Eno in my collection and do like a lot of what he does. I don’t think I have any of his stuff from 1980 to now so I’m curious to hear what he’s been up to.

09-18-2022, 06:13 PM	#13
bigshot Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2010 Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:82 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:3	Andy Warhol was a good graphic designer.

09-20-2022, 01:16 AM	#14
bigshot Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2010 Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:82 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:3	"Oblique strategies" was one of the dumbest techniques I've ever seen a producer use in the recording studio.

10-03-2022, 01:00 PM	#16
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	I ordered mine and the previous Sister title was still in stock so ordered both to save on shipping - was just 7 pounds for two BDs to Canada which I'm okay with.

10-05-2022, 10:41 PM	#17
rexinnih Special Member Member since:Apr 2008 Location:Pacific NW 4K collection:333 Blu-ray collection:618 Digital collection:3 Trading Score:259	Got this one also pre-ordered. Sister is on the way

10-06-2022, 02:25 AM	#18
supervij Special Member Member since:Apr 2011 Location:Toronto, Ontario, Canada 4K collection:1004 Blu-ray collection:2466	Just fyi, you can contact SDE and ask them to cancel an order so that you can re-order it plus other stuff in order to save on shipping. That’s what I did when Eno was announced. I asked them to cancel my order of Shakespeare’s Sister so that I could reorder and add Eno to the order.

10-06-2022, 01:46 PM	#19
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Great tip, thanks supervij

11-25-2022, 04:00 AM	#20
supervij Special Member Member since:Apr 2011 Location:Toronto, Ontario, Canada 4K collection:1004 Blu-ray collection:2466	Finally had the chance to listen to this and I’m not terribly impressed. The whole “removing the concept of the front of the mix stage” is not what I thought it’d be. I thought sounds and vocals would come from all over the place, it was mainly coming from the rear. In fact, the whole thing seemed like a “the rear is the new front” to me. And the music was fine, as ambient music goes. But I confess it made me kinda sleepy. And yet I read glowing reviews of this album! What am I missing (besides taste, I guess)?

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