onkyo tx-sr805 & panasonic bd30 question (7.1 pcm)

[paulfromtulsa]

i have a onkyo tx-sr805 and a panasonic bd30 blu ray player. i cant get this combo to play 7.1 pcm the last two movies that i rented 3:10 to yuma and good luck chuck have a 7.1 uncompressed option but when i chose them it only plays 5.1. i know my rear speakers work because when i change it to dolby digital ex i can hear the two rears. on the display of my onkyo all the speakers light up including the rears they just dont play. any ideas?

[BeardedNinjaGuy]

Try the fix in this thread.

It helped me when I couldnt get advanced audio out of my DB-30.

Also make sure you have it set to bitstream and Secondary audio turned of on the DB-30.

Also, are you sure you have it hooked up to the Onkyo with a HDMI 1.3 capable HDMI cable?

[paulfromtulsa]

Originally Posted by BeardedNinjaGuy

Try the fix in this thread.

It helped me when I couldnt get advanced audio out of my DB-30.

Also make sure you have it set to bitstream and Secondary audio turned of on the DB-30.

Also, are you sure you have it hooked up to the Onkyo with a HDMI 1.3 capable HDMI cable?

i do have it set to bitstream and i tried it with the secondary on and off both ways the 2 rears did not work.

as far as a hdmi 1.3 cable im not sure its a monster ultra 600 hdmi cable. i thought any hdmi cable would work on all systems right now cause there is no need for a 1.3 cable yet

[Marcusarilius]

Check the Onkyo's owners manual. I beleive the 7.1 is activated with one of the sound types selected/chosen.

[BeardedNinjaGuy]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

i do have it set to bitstream and i tried it with the secondary on and off both ways the 2 rears did not work.

as far as a hdmi 1.3 cable im not sure its a monster ultra 600 hdmi cable. i thought any hdmi cable would work on all systems right now cause there is no need for a 1.3 cable yet

For just 7.1 basic audio you should be ok with any HDMI cable. For PCM 7.1 or DTS-MA and True HD yes, your HDMI cable matters if you are trying to bitstream it. For more info look here.

If your Onkyo says Dolby PLIIx you should be getting 7.1 audio out. You can "force" your Onkyo to always do PLIIx in the set up menu on the unit itself.

One thing tho, if you ever had to use the "front panel" fix to get your video out on the DB-30, it will not put out anything other than 5.1 audio until you do that fix mentioned in the other thread I linked earlier. Its just some default mode the unit goes into and it limits the audio quality.

[paulfromtulsa]

Originally Posted by BeardedNinjaGuy

For just 7.1 basic audio you should be ok with any HDMI cable. For PCM 7.1 or DTS-MA and True HD yes, your HDMI cable matters if you are trying to bitstream it. For more info look here.

If your Onkyo says Dolby PLIIx you should be getting 7.1 audio out. You can "force" your Onkyo to always do PLIIx in the set up menu on the unit itself.

One thing tho, if you ever had to use the "front panel" fix to get your video out on the DB-30, it will not put out anything other than 5.1 audio until you do that fix mentioned in the other thread I linked earlier. Its just some default mode the unit goes into and it limits the audio quality.

ok when i play movies that have 7.1 and 6.1 dts-ma my 2 rears work so is my cable ok for 7.1 pcm? also right now now when i watch movies with 7.1 pcm my display on my onkyo reads multichpcm. so do i need to cahnge it to PLIIx. i have never used the "front panel" fix i have no idea what that is. so what do youthink my problem is now. thanks for all the help

[BeardedNinjaGuy]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

ok when i play movies that have 7.1 and 6.1 dts-ma my 2 rears work so is my cable ok for 7.1 pcm? also right now now when i watch movies with 7.1 pcm my display on my onkyo reads multichpcm. so do i need to cahnge it to PLIIx. i have never used the "front panel" fix i have no idea what that is. so what do youthink my problem is now. thanks for all the help

Sounds like your receiver is picking the proper audio codecs on its own. Also be sure to select the right audio track on the actual disc. Some do not use the 7.1 tracks by default.

If you hit display on the receiver a few times it should scroll through the information about the signal it is receiving and eventually say 5.1, 6.1 ect. Try scrolling through that and see what it says. Just because it might be getting a 7.1 signal doesnt mean all 7 speakers will have audio every second of the movie. Sometimes what comes out of the rear speakers is very subtile audio for enviromental effects.

If you are getting DTS-MA youre cable should be good (if its being bitstreamed by the DB-30).

[gearyt]

There is a section in set-up that sets the default type for every input
make sure this is set..

g

[paulfromtulsa]

Originally Posted by BeardedNinjaGuy

Sounds like your receiver is picking the proper audio codecs on its own. Also be sure to select the right audio track on the actual disc. Some do not use the 7.1 tracks by default.

If you hit display on the receiver a few times it should scroll through the information about the signal it is receiving and eventually say 5.1, 6.1 ect. Try scrolling through that and see what it says. Just because it might be getting a 7.1 signal doesnt mean all 7 speakers will have audio every second of the movie. Sometimes what comes out of the rear speakers is very subtile audio for enviromental effects.

If you are getting DTS-MA youre cable should be good (if its being bitstreamed by the DB-30).

yeah i understand the rear speakers only play when there are effects but i am getting no sound out of them the whole movie. i also made sure to pick the 7.1 pcm track. what else should i do thank you so much for the help.

i just hit the display button on my receiver and it says mch pcm 7.1 and underneath that is says
FS: 48khz so my receiver says 7.1 on it but no sound out of the 2 rear speakers. only on pcm tjought dts-ma dolbydigatl ex everthing works fine

[BeardedNinjaGuy]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

yeah i understand the rear speakers only play when there are effects but i am getting no sound out of them the whole movie. i also made sure to pick the 7.1 pcm track. what else should i do thank you so much for the help.

i just hit the display button on my receiver and it says mch pcm 7.1 and underneath that is says
FS: 48khz so my receiver says 7.1 on it but no sound out of the 2 rear speakers. only on pcm tjought dts-ma dolbydigatl ex everthing works fine

Ok, by that my guess would be something wrong with the acutal speakers or the wires to those speakers. The receiver is recognizing the signal as 7.1.

Your problem has to be with the actual speakers or the connectors from the Receiver to the speakers.

Also double check the audio menu on the BD-30 where it shows all the speakers and verify that it has all 7 speakers on (easiest way is to hit the test option and listen to each speaker and see that they all hear the tone).

Other than that, unless im in the room I cant help much more that I can think of. Id start with the test tone to see if the speakers produce sound from that, if not, double check the wire connections (sometimes you may not get a solid connection being made and wont get audio because of it) and be sure that the positive and negatives are right, heck even try connecting the 2 speakers in question to the wires of 2 that you do get sound out of to see if you get a signal out of them then.

[Nooff]

there's no such thing as a HDMI 1.3 cable, it's all hype

[paulfromtulsa]

Originally Posted by BeardedNinjaGuy

Ok, by that my guess would be something wrong with the acutal speakers or the wires to those speakers. The receiver is recognizing the signal as 7.1.

Your problem has to be with the actual speakers or the connectors from the Receiver to the speakers.

Also double check the audio menu on the BD-30 where it shows all the speakers and verify that it has all 7 speakers on (easiest way is to hit the test option and listen to each speaker and see that they all hear the tone).

Other than that, unless im in the room I cant help much more that I can think of. Id start with the test tone to see if the speakers produce sound from that, if not, double check the wire connections (sometimes you may not get a solid connection being made and wont get audio because of it) and be sure that the positive and negatives are right, heck even try connecting the 2 speakers in question to the wires of 2 that you do get sound out of to see if you get a signal out of them then.

it definetely not the the connection or speaker cause on the same movie when i change the listening mode to dolby digital ex all seven speakers work. this is weird. also on my player all 7 speakers are on and set to large. thank you for the help any other ideas?

[gearyt]

Running out of options..
time to try a replacement receiver

[BeardedNinjaGuy]

Originally Posted by Nooff

there's no such thing as a HDMI 1.3 cable, it's all hype

Im not sure if this is a joke or not, but there is a contingent on these boards that keeps spreading this "myth" and its not helping because its absolutely false.

Not all HDMI cables meet the requirements to pass the bandwidth/throughput required for the advanced aduio/video required to both pass 1080p video and DTS-MA or True HD. There is a significant difference in the amount a 1.2 and a 1.3 capable cable can pass.

Most newer and high end (Monster for example) cables meet the specifications for HDMI 1.3. Dont assume that when you buy one that its just going to meet those specifications. There is a reason most retailers specify what HDMI revision standards it is tested for and capable of.

[BeardedNinjaGuy]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

it definetely not the the connection or speaker cause on the same movie when i change the listening mode to dolby digital ex all seven speakers work. this is weird. also on my player all 7 speakers are on and set to large. thank you for the help any other ideas?

In the set up how do you have your Onkyo treating the signals it gets? Is it set to Last valid (i think thats what the default is) or is it set to something else?

I only have experience with a Onkyo 605, so im not sure how much different yours is than mine (I know it has more HDMI inputs and THX i think, other than that im not sure).

Dolby EX adds an extension to the standard 5.1 channel Dolby Digital codec in the form of matrixed rear channels, creating 6.1 or 7.1 channel output. However, it is not considered a true 6.1 or 7.1 channel codec because it lacks the capability to support a discrete 6th channel. So thats not a real help to what understanding your root issue because the receiver isnt recreating 7 distinct channels of audio when performing Dolby EX.

Have you tried the test tones to verify that your BD30 is indeed sending a signal to all 7 speakers?

[paulfromtulsa]

Originally Posted by BeardedNinjaGuy

In the set up how do you have your Onkyo treating the signals it gets? Is it set to Last valid (i think thats what the default is) or is it set to something else?

I only have experience with a Onkyo 605, so im not sure how much different yours is than mine (I know it has more HDMI inputs and THX i think, other than that im not sure).

Dolby EX adds an extension to the standard 5.1 channel Dolby Digital codec in the form of matrixed rear channels, creating 6.1 or 7.1 channel output. However, it is not considered a true 6.1 or 7.1 channel codec because it lacks the capability to support a discrete 6th channel. So thats not a real help to what understanding your root issue because the receiver isnt recreating 7 distinct channels of audio when performing Dolby EX.

Have you tried the test tones to verify that your BD30 is indeed sending a signal to all 7 speakers?

ok i think im giving up. i did the test tones through the panny all seven speakers working. my receiver reads 7.1 pcm . all setting are done right. played a dts-ma 7.1 movie and everthing works good. the only thing i can think of is the movie i was watching (good luck chuck) little to no sound effects in the rear 2 speakers

[BeardedNinjaGuy]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

ok i think im giving up. i did the test tones through the panny all seven speakers working. my receiver reads 7.1 pcm . all setting are done right. played a dts-ma 7.1 movie and everthing works good. the only thing i can think of is the movie i was watching (good luck chuck) little to no sound effects in the rear 2 speakers

Shoot em' up, and War are good 7.1 soundtracks have good scenes that should be active enough to hear the full range of speakers if you have them.

Do you have the latest firmware update in the BD-30? (Should be 1.4)

[paulfromtulsa]

Originally Posted by BeardedNinjaGuy

Shoot em' up, and War are good 7.1 soundtracks have good scenes that should be active enough to hear the full range of speakers if you have them.

Do you have the latest firmware update in the BD-30? (Should be 1.4)

i do have te new firmware installed(1.4). does war and shoot em up have a 7.1 pcm track? i wathced a dts-hd ma 7.1 movie last night and all the speakers worked like a champ so i know everthing is hooked up fine i just need to get a action movie with a pcm track to try it again. thanks for the help

[BeardedNinjaGuy]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

i do have te new firmware installed(1.4). does war and shoot em up have a 7.1 pcm track? i wathced a dts-hd ma 7.1 movie last night and all the speakers worked like a champ so i know everthing is hooked up fine i just need to get a action movie with a pcm track to try it again. thanks for the help

War is a 7.1 PCM, Shoot em' up is a DTS-MA 7.1.

Is 3:10 to Yuma working good now? A movie like good luck chuck isnt going to use the 6 and 7 speakers all that much, and is a bad one to use to test your system. Even 3:10 to Yuma has periods where they wont be active (mostly during the gun battles, explosions or possibly the campfire sounds is when you'll notice the 6 and 7 active during that movie.). The 6 and 7 speakers tend to be used for enviromental ambience to immerse you into the movies more.

[paulfromtulsa]

ok i figured it why the 2 rears wasnt working. the problem was my panny blu ray player. my freind bought his player over to the house and everthing worked. so i just returned mine and got another one and it works perfectly fine. so i guess i just got a defective one.