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I received this a few days ago and watched it. One oddity is that the 2021 amaray case version has a different classification on it: "Interdit aux moins de 12 ans", which means "prohibited for under 12", but I can find no record of a classification change. The only certificates for the film were issued in 1993, splitting the film into two parts: Part 1 (No. 80759) and Part 2 (No. 80760), both of which are "Tous publics" ("All audiences"). On the Blu-ray, the film is presented as one film and the end credits reflect both certificate numbers. There is no classification noted on the disc itself, so I must assume that there was a mis-print when Pathé printed the jacket cover.
The 2017 DigiPack edition apparently contains 2 DVD discs, which I assume are split between the film and the making of featurette, because the 2018 DVD edition of the film does not appear to contain any extras. The 2021 version is a one-disc release with only the Blu-ray disc. Most of Pathé's editions of this film seem to have an inaccurate running time printed on the jacket. The film on Blu-ray runs 159 minutes, including about 26 seconds for a recent Pathé logo and screens mentioning the film's wins at the 1994 César Awards and that it was remastered in 4K by Pathé in 2016. At the end of the film, there is another screen with additional credits for the 4K remaster (Eclair for picture / L.E. Diapason for sound) which lasts about 7 seconds. This should make the film 158:40 from the opening AMLF credit to the end, but Pathé's Blu-ray editions say the film is 169 minutes and then carry the error over to the PAL DVD, saying it's 162 minutes. Even older PAL DVDs claim to be 160 minutes, when 25 fps versions should be 152-153 minutes. ![]() BDInfo scan The film's audio is offered in a choice of 2.0 or 5.1. In the scan below, the 5.1 track appears first, but on my system, the first track was the 2.0 track and also the default track. The other 2.0 track is audio description in French, which was produced by Pathé and involves both male and female readers. The film is entirely in French. English subtitles are white in color, while the French HoH / SDH subtitles are in the usual "rainbow" of colors. Both subtitle tracks are in the same font, one which is slightly smaller, but thick and readable. The English subtitles are credited to Michael Latims and Hiventy, while the French HoH / SDH subtitles are uncredited. The only extra is a making of featurette. Code:
Total Video Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track ----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ --------------------- 00000.MPLS AVC 2:39:14 42,573,606,912 45,207,409,385 35.65 26.90 DTS-HD Master 5.1 3399Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS-HD Master 2.0 1591Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) Code:
DISC INFO: Disc Label: GERMINAL Disc Size: 45,207,409,385 bytes Protection: AACS Extras: 50Hz Content BDInfo: 0.7.5.6 PLAYLIST REPORT: Name: 00000.MPLS Length: 2:39:14.628 (h:m:s.ms) Size: 42,573,606,912 bytes Total Bitrate: 35.65 Mbps VIDEO: Codec Bitrate Description ----- ------- ----------- MPEG-4 AVC Video 26902 kbps 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1 AUDIO: Codec Language Bitrate Description ----- -------- ------- ----------- DTS-HD Master Audio French 3399 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3399 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit) DTS-HD Master Audio French 1591 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1591 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit) DTS-HD Master Audio French 1627 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1627 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit) SUBTITLES: Codec Language Bitrate Description ----- -------- ------- ----------- Presentation Graphics French 29.470 kbps Presentation Graphics English 25.323 kbps FILES: Name Time In Length Size Total Bitrate ---- ------- ------ ---- ------------- 00000.M2TS 0:00:00.000 2:39:14.628 42,573,606,912 35,646 CHAPTERS: Number Time In Length Avg Video Rate Max 1-Sec Rate Max 1-Sec Time Max 5-Sec Rate Max 5-Sec Time Max 10Sec Rate Max 10Sec Time Avg Frame Size Max Frame Size Max Frame Time ------ ------- ------ -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- 1 0:00:00.000 0:09:54.719 22,242 kbps 37,052 kbps 00:07:18.020 35,083 kbps 00:07:17.478 33,303 kbps 00:07:24.735 115,949 bytes 384,058 bytes 00:03:08.438 2 0:09:54.719 0:10:52.777 25,724 kbps 37,638 kbps 00:12:54.690 35,678 kbps 00:11:36.946 34,621 kbps 00:11:35.778 134,111 bytes 383,149 bytes 00:12:08.060 3 0:20:47.496 0:11:00.576 28,218 kbps 44,334 kbps 00:28:30.875 38,789 kbps 00:24:14.494 34,581 kbps 00:24:09.489 147,113 bytes 668,375 bytes 00:21:12.062 4 0:31:48.072 0:10:16.657 29,920 kbps 52,713 kbps 00:39:41.337 38,260 kbps 00:36:01.784 36,869 kbps 00:37:31.207 155,989 bytes 756,406 bytes 00:36:01.158 5 0:42:04.730 0:10:33.174 28,739 kbps 43,106 kbps 00:51:25.999 39,294 kbps 00:51:23.288 36,573 kbps 00:50:51.840 149,834 bytes 726,547 bytes 00:46:16.023 6 0:52:37.904 0:11:16.675 29,223 kbps 41,989 kbps 00:54:55.959 37,961 kbps 00:54:53.039 35,242 kbps 00:56:16.289 152,355 bytes 719,686 bytes 00:57:25.316 7 1:03:54.580 0:12:58.402 28,346 kbps 39,851 kbps 01:09:26.704 35,818 kbps 01:09:43.888 34,513 kbps 01:09:25.661 147,783 bytes 531,164 bytes 01:07:18.951 8 1:16:52.983 0:07:12.849 26,595 kbps 36,658 kbps 01:17:10.375 33,326 kbps 01:17:08.373 32,281 kbps 01:22:11.092 138,653 bytes 593,007 bytes 01:17:14.254 9 1:24:05.832 0:08:24.587 26,885 kbps 36,339 kbps 01:30:36.264 32,423 kbps 01:30:49.861 31,565 kbps 01:26:04.450 140,168 bytes 458,883 bytes 01:30:09.612 10 1:32:30.419 0:12:39.508 29,996 kbps 45,287 kbps 01:44:52.661 39,255 kbps 01:43:02.467 36,334 kbps 01:44:49.825 156,385 bytes 679,645 bytes 01:44:52.786 11 1:45:09.928 0:12:31.625 25,919 kbps 41,149 kbps 01:45:12.306 37,075 kbps 01:45:11.096 33,249 kbps 01:45:09.928 135,128 bytes 690,453 bytes 01:46:11.239 12 1:57:41.554 0:08:20.416 28,136 kbps 43,129 kbps 02:02:34.472 34,275 kbps 02:02:12.116 33,160 kbps 02:02:25.463 146,677 bytes 619,460 bytes 02:05:59.093 13 2:06:01.971 0:07:58.936 26,364 kbps 45,881 kbps 02:11:11.947 37,044 kbps 02:13:49.938 35,550 kbps 02:13:44.933 137,461 bytes 575,865 bytes 02:13:09.982 14 2:14:00.907 0:12:25.453 23,456 kbps 45,203 kbps 02:23:04.200 35,785 kbps 02:17:10.931 34,295 kbps 02:23:30.476 122,288 bytes 616,718 bytes 02:24:41.881 15 2:26:26.360 0:09:47.545 25,386 kbps 40,534 kbps 02:30:12.712 35,828 kbps 02:29:58.114 33,584 kbps 02:31:05.389 132,351 bytes 602,798 bytes 02:30:08.749 16 2:36:13.906 0:03:00.722 19,057 kbps 25,422 kbps 02:37:11.463 22,675 kbps 02:37:41.660 22,066 kbps 02:37:39.491 99,398 bytes 408,393 bytes 02:38:55.526 STREAM DIAGNOSTICS: File PID Type Codec Language Seconds Bitrate Bytes Packets ---- --- ---- ----- -------- -------------- -------------- ------------- ----- 00000.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0x1B AVC 9554.503 26,902 32,129,658,644 174,752,800 00000.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x86 DTS-HD MA fra (French) 9554.503 3,399 4,059,374,072 23,552,076 00000.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x86 DTS-HD MA fra (French) 9554.503 1,591 1,900,184,028 11,251,362 00000.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x86 DTS-HD MA fra (French) 9554.503 1,627 1,942,757,920 11,482,999 00000.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS fra (French) 9554.503 29 35,197,168 203,469 00000.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS eng (English) 9554.503 25 30,244,298 174,732 Note: This is mostly in French, but there is a portion of raw footage in another language (possibly Flemish) which includes burnt-in French subtitles. Code:
Total Video Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track ----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ --------------------- 00009.MPLS MPEG-2 0:39:27 2,254,675,968 45,207,409,385 7.62 7.00 DD AC3 2.0 192Kbps Code:
DISC INFO: Disc Label: GERMINAL Disc Size: 45,207,409,385 bytes Protection: AACS Extras: 50Hz Content BDInfo: 0.7.5.6 PLAYLIST REPORT: Name: 00009.MPLS Length: 0:39:27.040 (h:m:s.ms) Size: 2,254,675,968 bytes Total Bitrate: 7.62 Mbps VIDEO: Codec Bitrate Description ----- ------- ----------- MPEG-2 Video 7002 kbps 576i / 25 fps / 4:3 AUDIO: Codec Language Bitrate Description ----- -------- ------- ----------- Dolby Digital Audio French 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -31dB / Dolby Surround FILES: Name Time In Length Size Total Bitrate ---- ------- ------ ---- ------------- 00010.M2TS 0:00:00.000 0:39:27.040 2,254,675,968 7,620 CHAPTERS: Number Time In Length Avg Video Rate Max 1-Sec Rate Max 1-Sec Time Max 5-Sec Rate Max 5-Sec Time Max 10Sec Rate Max 10Sec Time Avg Frame Size Max Frame Size Max Frame Time ------ ------- ------ -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- 1 0:00:00.000 0:10:42.640 7,040 kbps 9,793 kbps 00:01:37.440 8,979 kbps 00:01:33.000 8,860 kbps 00:01:27.960 35,197 bytes 173,009 bytes 00:01:38.440 2 0:10:42.640 0:09:16.360 6,988 kbps 9,683 kbps 00:19:45.600 8,900 kbps 00:17:02.880 8,821 kbps 00:16:57.840 34,940 bytes 160,132 bytes 00:19:46.600 3 0:19:59.000 0:10:03.960 7,142 kbps 9,560 kbps 00:21:40.440 8,936 kbps 00:21:36.480 8,841 kbps 00:21:31.440 35,711 bytes 171,247 bytes 00:22:12.640 4 0:30:02.960 0:09:24.079 6,823 kbps 9,586 kbps 00:39:24.760 8,925 kbps 00:39:20.800 8,826 kbps 00:37:18.439 34,115 bytes 127,373 bytes 00:33:57.560 STREAM DIAGNOSTICS: File PID Type Codec Language Seconds Bitrate Bytes Packets ---- --- ---- ----- -------- -------------- -------------- ------------- ----- 00010.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0x02 MPEG-2 2366.920 7,002 2,071,751,119 11,293,923 00010.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 AC3 fra (French) 2366.920 192 56,808,960 369,850 Last edited by McCrutchy; 08-28-2025 at 12:16 AM. |
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I enjoyed this film quite a bit, although it is part of a cycle of big budget French cultural epics which intended to rival Hollywood, and it often feels like a Hollywood film, especially an "old Hollywood" film, though the film's violence, casual nudity and occasional graphic images (a man
[Show spoiler] ) mean it is unmistakably not from the old Hollywood studio system. The film was the most expensive in French film history at the time, costing 165 million francs, which was approximated at US $30 million by the New York Times in its March 1994 review, which in turn, would be worth over $65 million today. And that money is on the screen in the location shoots, the number of actors and extras in scenes and especially, the impressive set design, including a mine and related stunt sequences of the kind which, at least in the analog era, were usually only found in Hollywood films. Viewers will also spot Derek Meddings' name in the end credits for "effets spéciaux visuels réalisation", what IMDb says in English is actually a special effects co-ordinator.Performances are generally excellent, with Judith Henry, Gérard Depardieu, Jean-Roger Milo and especially Miou-Miou (who, along with Henry and Milo, were all nominated for Césars) turning in very good work. I believe everyone is far too old for their characters, but only Renaud seems much too old to play Étienne Lantier (he is a French singer who acts only occasionally and was apparently sought out deliberately for the role by Claude Berri) and perhaps isn't as convincing as a younger actor might have been. Still, I am a sucker for historical drama and so I ate up what unfolded. Now I am keen to read the novel, which I understand is excellent and perhaps Zola's best work. When researching the film after watching it, I was really perplexed by the film's release history on video, especially in the US. Sony acquired it for release via Sony Pictures Classics and there was even a Vintage Books film-tie-in (!) version of the novel published in the US as well (in Penguin's 1954 Tancock translation, also re-released for the film in the UK), followed by a VHS (on two tapes) and a Laserdisc, both of which apparently used yellow subtitles and didn't have any extras. But then, in the intervening decades, nothing, no DVD, even though Kino's Insider said in 2023 that the film was still with Sony and there was a Canadian DVD from Koch Entertainment, but that appears to be French only. Perhaps the weirdest situation is in the UK however, where Pathé UK released at least three Claude Berri films in the early 2000s and collected them into a box in 2006. Berri's Germinal was included in the box, but I'll be damned if I can find an earlier separate release like the other three films. The DVDs in the box do not have their own EANs, either, which makes it much more difficult. Interestingly, the film has compulsory cuts in the UK for at least one shot of cockfighting, but I wonder if the subtitles made their debut on the UK DVD or if the film was re-translated for the Pathé Blu-ray in 2017. In any event, the English subtitle translation seems excellent, even if I think Pathé's font could be a little better. I thought the film looked nice, but the color seemed a bit...off somehow, and lo and behold, this is one of many films remastered in France that tenia has found to have a shared color signature, in this case, the film's picture was remastered (apparently from the original camera negative) at Eclair. I'm not familiar with the film outside of this Blu-ray, so I don't know how "off" the color is, but it is certainly quite a steely blue, with blacks that are less than inky. Berri unfortunately passed away in 2009, but Yves Angelo, the film's cinematographer, did apparently approve and / or supervise, since he is credited by Pathé. The film only has a Dolby Stereo SR logo on it, never having had a 5.1 mix on the LDs or DVDs and like I said above, my Oppo shows the 2.0 track as the first track and the default track, so therefore, I opted for the stereo track, believing it to be the original. It sounds fine, with the film's elegant score by Jean-Louis Roques sounding lovely and dialogue clean and clear. There was a BBC serial of Germinal in 1970, but as far as I can gather, it's never been officially released on home video. I did pick up a copy of a recent translation (Roger Pearson for Penguin in 2004), but I admit I'm not much of a reader, so it will probably sit gathering (coal) dust, at least for a while. |
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Thanks for the excellent detail.
I mentioned it here I really enjoyed it and thought it looked great. Vastly superior to my experience in the cinema for sure. Depardieu looks better in a film than a cell for also. One minor thing I did notice is not every word is translated which was nice. When I say that I mean the non-main acting parts. |
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