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Blu-ray Ninja
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Please, pleeeeeease cast proper Japanese actors in this. I really don't wanna see Tzi Ma, James Hong, and Byron Mann massacring the Japanese language.
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Blu-ray Ninja
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Im calling this now: Hiroyuki Sanada, seemingly the only Japanese actor available to Hollywood, will be in this.
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Thanks given by: | FubarFrenzy (02-27-2024), Socko (01-31-2024) |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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I like that real Japanese actors played Japanese people in the original mini-series.
Too bad people don't get upset these days about how any Asian ethnicity means that they are alright to play any other Asian. Reminds me of when Memoirs of a Geisha came out... I was like "Oh come on... have the principal leads be Japanese, at least." That bothers me more than "whitewashing". |
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Thanks given by: | Walter Kafka (07-21-2023) |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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Tbh I am a little ambivalent to this project. On the one hand as someone who loves James Clavell's book I am intrigued by the idea of another interpretation on the screen, on the other part of me wonders (as with most remakes today) is this truly necessary since the original worked very well imo? The same voice whispers, why not instead make a 10-part miniseries of a story which also deserves to be put on screen in a quality series, and which would be treasured by millions of fans, but which has sadly been neglected for aeons, Jean M Auel's timeless 'Earth Children saga' (the story of Ayla)?
Back to Shogun though. New versions, remakes, often differ in some aspect since producers don't want to put out the exact same thing, almost as if they feel they need justification for doing the remake in the first place.. So what can they do differently this time? The trend these days is to make everything darker, more violent/bloody, possibly more psychological and - in many cases - more OTT.. so I hope they stay true to the story in this case and don't deviate too much from the book. I think the original series managed this admirably. Actingwise, it seems an impossible task to replace the eminent Toshiro Mifune who imo personified so brilliantly the Yoshi Toranaga from the book. The original series had many great actors but he is the standout for me and the one I struggle to see how they can find a replacement for who does not feel like a letdown in comparison. Then again, the producers may have in mind a younger audience who may neither have read the huge book neither seen the series from almost 40 years ago (and who probably have no idea who Toshiro Mifune was).. Personally, though I highly enjoyed the original series, I thought it lacked the incredible detail of the book and could have benefitted from even more storydetail included, to even better portray the Japanese political intrigue and setting (perhaps having the storyteller-voice give much more information or incorporating it into the script.) But that was because I loved the 1100-1200 pages huge book so much and enjoyed it so much for the precise reason of its huge amount of detail and intricacy, and it could be that for a non-reading audience it might become overkill. I fear though that this new version may do the opposite and give even less detail from the book and, worse, that it may deviate and include new stuff that was never in the book like we see in other work on the screen based on written work. I understand that this is sometimes necessary from a filmmaking/visual standpoint but hope in that case that it is done with style and integrity like for ex. Peter Jackson's eminent 'The Lord of the Rings' films. |
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Thanks given by: | Bolo Seagull (08-05-2018), shinobipopcorn (08-05-2018) |
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Banned
Jul 2013
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Idris for the lead.
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Thanks given by: | Walter Kafka (07-21-2023) |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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I'm a big fan of the novel and thought the old television mini-series did a great job adapting it. Japanese culture has been a lifelong interest of mine, and this novel did an excellent job of explaining the mindset of the samurai to Westerners who would be reading about it in the 20th century.
However, this is another one of those properties, like the new remake of 'Papillon', where I just don't see the story appealing to the mindset of audiences today. I'll also add that it's a pity we never got a proper 'Tai Pan' miniseries. They did such a solid job with 'Shogun' and 'Noble House' was pretty good too, so it's a shame 'Tai Pan' didn't get the same treatment. |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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Shogun is one of my all-time favorite novels. It's kind of funny, because I posted one of those spam lists on Facebook, where I have to post a picture of a book cover, once a day for seven days. Well, I posted Shogun. An hour later, the article got posted up about this movie.
I like the original mini-series quite a bit. I love that it was filmed in Japan, that it had some respectable Japanese actors. I also love that people spoke Japanese for fair swaths of the movie. It requires a kind of patience that modern day viewers may not adhere too kindly to. Although it didn't do so well capturing the political intrigue and deception, the romantic element of the book was spot-on. They also did well showing the differences between western culture/mentality against the backdrop of feudal Japan. I am not opposed to a new movie being made, but I have a feeling that it will want to be more like a "Shogun-light" movie that focuses on the less intelligent and appealing parts of the novel. Like what "The Last Samurai" was - a knockoff of Shogun and Dances with Wolves. A dumbed-down version of the same story. Anyway, it's early news and we don't know much about it yet. I thought it was fun when I was in Hong Kong, taking a tour of the city and I was reading Tai-Pan at the time. The geography was so well explained in the book, that I recognized what was being discussed during the tour from what I was almost finished reading at the same time! |
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Thanks given by: | Tibor Lugosi (12-06-2018) |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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2024
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Thanks given by: | bferr1972 (07-21-2023), Darev (07-26-2023), deepskippy (08-02-2023), LeftHandedGuitarist (07-21-2023), t6p (07-21-2023), Tibor Lugosi (07-21-2023) |
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Blu-ray Guru
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One of my favorite novels of all time. Back in high school the library had the hardcover version which was split into two volumes. They only had the first one. I read that maybe 4 times over the time I was at that school, never got to finish it until I found it in paperback at a Target the morning of a class trip out of state to an amusement park. finished the 2nd half on the school bus, there and back.
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Thanks given by: | Walter Kafka (07-26-2023) |
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Germany
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Thanks given by: | Edo (11-03-2023), gorobei (11-02-2023), LeftHandedGuitarist (11-02-2023), Piggles (11-03-2023), Socko (01-31-2024), the sordid sentinel (11-03-2023), Tibor Lugosi (11-03-2023), Troll2fan (11-06-2023) |
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Banned
Jul 2013
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I wonder how much of it was filmed in Japan compared to Vancouver.
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Special Member
Oct 2012
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The Shogun miniseries with Mifune is a classic and untouchable. James Clavell has two novels that went unadapted, including one set in Japan. Why not adapt one of them?
Hell, why not take another run at adapting Tai-Pan, which got a feature film not a miniseries and really could have used a mini-series? |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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February 27
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