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Old 02-03-2024, 01:44 AM   #1
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Cool How do I add 3d to a Low Ping Monitor?

I got a few Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 games that are in 3D.

The way I currently play it and capture it is by using a Sony PlayStation 3D TV to actually play the game and I put a couple of cop cams inside an extra pair of PlayStation 3D goggles without physical earpieces and velcro striped them on there to capture the game from a particular perspective.

Is there a better way to :

- capture game on Twitch,

- beat the 31 millisecond paying time of the PlayStation 3D TV by using my 1 millisecond Lenovo g25-10 by adding something on to make it 3D? Does 3D add-on technology currently exist?

Also about my 3D preferences: I find the 3D in the theater underwhelming and the 3D at home on my PlayStation 3D TV way better. Is that an issue of scale meaning size or is that an issue of technology of polar in the theater versus shutter at home?
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Old 03-04-2024, 08:19 PM   #2
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It's been a long time but I've done a test since the last time.

My theory is that if the only thing that prevents timing devices from working on modern LCD screens is the timing itself relative to the pain of the monitor then in theory a low enough ping monitor should be insignificant where you could pass 3D on to a normal 2D monitor if you get it there quick enough where the timing Gap is irrelevant.

I have a 1ms Lenovo TN monitor, and I was able to successfully Play Sega Master System Sega scope games through a retro tank which is considered lag-free for everything except possibly light gun games, (which requires sub microsecond timing to be accurate, so even an analog VCR throws that off.). Unfortunately the Sega scope glasses have variable polarization that flash on and off as the Segascope flashes.

Looking through the lens normally I could see the real world but the TV is filtered out. However if I rotate my head 90° either clockwise or anticlockwise, even though the stereoscopy of the two images are off because my eyes are lying vertically but viewing them horizontally, a unique picture actually comes through both eyes. I can see distinct left and right images though they don't necessarily line up correctly which means that if you can rotate each polarized lens 90 degrees then you can play Sega scope games on a modern low ping monitor.

I'm wondering what kind of add-on devices are currently available for modern TVs to turn them 3D.

Do 3D processors for projectors work the same way as 3D processors do for low ping TN screens? If so then any monitor can become a 3D monitor assuming it's low ping enough.

Is there a currently existing 3D processor that works with TN screens that flashes alternate Left Right frames?

Also is there such a thing currently as a 3D processor that's a separator which separates the left stream and right stream into two separate HDMI outputs that could be inputted into my 2 separate capture cards, and capture stereoscope a lot easier versus the hackish nature of cameras in a filter?

The final step is probably testing to see if the stereo carries over on the HDMI ARC connection and if the timing could be adjusted to after the playback is done on the monitor for stuff that has higher ping.

If that's the case then 3D will never die as long as add on 3D processors are made.
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Old 03-07-2024, 04:23 PM   #3
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Cool 1ms Ping Shutter pass-through test successful

I was able to watch 2 separate images for s SegaScope 3d game going from a compisite input to a HDMI using a RetroTink 2X M Pro, and that connected to 2 separate monitors, one time a VGA CRT, and one time on a Lenovo 1ms TN monitor.

The 3d on the CRT VGA was accurately preserved.

The TN had a slight problem. The Sega scope has electronically activated polarized filters and completely filters out the TN monitor.

However, If you rotate your SegaScope glSses 90 degrees (clockwise or anticlockwise) the video shows through and you get 2 separate videos through each eye. (Though your 3d perspective is off by rotating 90 degrees)

I think I proven, (now I am not arrogant enough to say this was a universally unknown fact) that the only obstacle to a "shutter based 3d add on is ping timing of various tvs.

Is there already a 3d Shutter add on kit available for HDMI low ping monitors. If so I would love to buy one knowing it works on a 1ms ping monitor.

I heard there are add on kits that let you "Dual a ping" I assume it's set it and forget it. I just set the dial at zero for my 1ms monitor.

I seriously want to buy one. I want to turn my 1ms monitor 3d.

I looked it up on google and have no idea where to go. I don't want to artificially turn 2d content 3d. I just want 3d playback of 3d material on my newer monitor.

Where can I find one for my 1ms monitor.
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Old 03-20-2025, 07:50 AM   #4
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Could you clarify what you mean by adding 3D to a low ping monitor? If you're referring to enabling 3D stereoscopic display, you’d need a monitor that supports 3D (like NVIDIA 3D Vision) along with compatible glasses and a graphics card. If it’s about improving visuals in games, adjusting depth settings or using VRR (Variable Refresh Rate) could help. What exactly are you trying to achieve?
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Old 03-20-2025, 02:26 PM   #5
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Cool

The issue is that it seems like a shutter based 3D should work on any TV as long as you compensate for ping correctly.

When I used the hdfury and watch the TV directly through TRS glasses the background was kind of blurry versus the PlayStation 3D TV.

I'm trying to get it so that you can add 3D to any TV and that way the 3D economics will be out of the hands of the 3D haters and into the hands of the 3D lovers.

Cuz frankly I can't find a good substitute for the PlayStation 3D TV and nothing exists with faster ping that is simultaneously 3D and has faster ping.

I also wanted to work in 3D with my Xbox One 3d Blu Ray player. Along with my Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 for certain 3D games

Unfortunately there's no such thing as a shutter base 3D system that works without a PC as far as I can tell.
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