Watched it with my daughter (first time to ever see it) and we both enjoyed it. It was my grandmother’s favorite movie.
Anyone hear anything as far as it coming to 4k? I thought the Disney Plus stream looked great.
It would certainly be a good candidate. There has already been a restored 70mm print in 2000, and a subsequent 8K scan from that, mastered to 4K. This has already been released to BD, so now just needs the HDR treatment I guess.
2020 was the film's 55th anniversary. Over at Fox Video, they released a new special set of this film every 5 years without fail near March, when it had its New York world premiere, starting with the laserdisc "Fox widescreen edition.".
I truly believe that there was a planned 4k blu-ray release prepared at Fox for the anniversary. They already have an 8k scan, and a downsized 4k scan that was done when they restored the film for the 45th anniversary and put it out on blu-ray for the first time. Then during this period, the deal with Disney took place, and what happened? Disney Plus. The Sound of Music was the first Fox film to be included in their new service, it was on Disney Plus from day one, though only in HD.
So I believe that Disney stopped work on a 4k edition for the 55th anniversary in order for the film to be an exclusive on Disney Plus. Let;s be real, this is exactly the type of thing Disney does. Fox had never missed a new release every 5 years in over 25 years.
I do hope we get this in 4k one day, but I have a note to the Disney video team: You must fix the color palette on the blu-ray version. Of all the different releases over the years (which I own and always compare), all with different transfers, not one of those previous releases had the color tones on the blu-ray. It was like the blu-ray was a completely different film as far as color. They changed a lot of the film to a multitude of earth-tone colors and got rid of so many of the blue tones. Check out the other versions, look at the brilliant and BRIGHT color of the grass and mountains on the opening scene on the older versions. Plus many loyalists including projectionists have claimed that they never saw the film with these colors before. Julie Andrews hair was supposed to be blonde. In interviews available on YouTube, she talks about her hair becoming a very light blonde color, yet in My Favorite Things, her hair is a dark auburn rust color. Then in DoReMi it's a different tone. Different again when the Captain and Leisl sing Edelweiss. If you read the forums on this site and a few others, experts, with some who worked with this film in some way, say that the 40th anniversary DVD release had the correct colors, because Robert Wise's approved 70mm print (from the laserdisc) was used as a reference.
Also, I understand this was the first time they could use the 6 track stereo master (for the blu-ray), and it does have a richer sound, but listen closely, the entire upper end high frequencies have been removed in order to get rid of the tape hiss. If you switch on the blu-ray to the French soundtrack, or compare the English track to the 40th anniversary DVD, you can hear all of those sounds including the high frequencies of many of the musical instruments, My preference is to ALWAYS leave most of the tape hiss, I'd rather have that along with the upper register of sound than a track where all of the high frequencies have been removed because they registered in the frequencies with the tape hiss, and we all know in this world of digital, tape hiss would be a big no-no. In fact, if you watch the short film on the blu-ray extra about restoring the sound, you can actually see the man on the computer showing us (as we watch the tv monitor showing the levels in moving color bars) that "this is all tape hiss so we cut it out" he says, and you can actually see that there are actual signals being taken off.
As you have all probably guessed, this is my all time favorite movie, and with every release since VHS began, there was always something wrong with the sound and picture. To me, the best version is the 40th anniversary DVD restoration. It's a shame they didn't offer that at least on an extra disc, and also the soundtrack from that restoration, which includes the tape hiss and you can really hear the high end. I would love to hear that soundtrack in lossless audio. Also, the version that ABC TV had shown for years was much m,ore close to the original color pallette (now they starting showing the blu-ray transfer the last few years) AND you can hear the tape's hiss on ABC's older version, which I believe is the same as the 40th anniversary DVD. Thank God I taped it off of ABC every year.
I do have to make a disclaimer. The work that was done by Fox on the blu-ray release for the 45th anniversary is simply stunning. The clarity is so good you can see all of the individual blades of grass, and even almost know how the clothing would feel to the touch. It is awesome work and I have to commend those who cleaned it up and made such wonderful detail available to us. But I think when it came to color, since no one was alive from the film who could remember the accurate palette, I think a lot of decisions were made without having any reference and the overall color of the entire film changed. And as far as the sound, I think a decision was made to completely rid the soundtrack of tape noise and hiss which would be at the top of the frequency register, where such sounds as tambourines and the top frequencies of horns exist. Watch the "restoring the sound" short on the blu-ray extras, you can literally see them wiping away the highest frequencies and right on their monitors, you watch actual sound signals cut off.
So now the question of a 4k release? Who knows now that Disney owns it, but I truly believe we were VERY close to having this disc in 4k in our hands by now, but the Disney deal would be its demise, at least for now.
Last edited by Robert Siegel; 09-08-2020 at 09:01 PM.
2020 was the film's 55th anniversary. Over at Fox Video, they released a new special set of this film every 5 years without fail near March, when it had its New York world premiere, starting with the laserdisc "Fox widescreen edition.".
I truly believe that there was a planned 4k blu-ray release prepared at Fox for the anniversary. They already have an 8k scan, and a downsized 4k scan that was done when they restored the film for the 45th anniversary and put it out on blu-ray for the first time. Then during this period, the deal with Disney took place, and what happened? Disney Plus. The Sound of Music was the first Fox film to be included in their new service, it was on Disney Plus from day one, though only in HD.
So I believe that Disney stopped work on a 4k edition for the 55th anniversary in order for the film to be an exclusive on Disney Plus. Let;s be real, this is exactly the type of thing Disney does. Fox had never missed a new release every 5 years in over 25 years.
I do hope we get this in 4k one day, but I have a note to the Disney video team: You must fix the color palette on the blu-ray version. Of all the different releases over the years (which I own and always compare), all with different transfers, not one of those previous releases had the color tones on the blu-ray. It was like the blu-ray was a completely different film as far as color. They changed a lot of the film to a multitude of earth-tone colors and got rid of so many of the blue tones. Check out the other versions, look at the brilliant and BRIGHT color of the grass and mountains on the opening scene on the older versions. Plus many loyalists including projectionists have claimed that they never saw the film with these colors before. Julie Andrews hair was supposed to be blonde. In interviews available on YouTube, she talks about her hair becoming a very light blonde color, yet in My Favorite Things, her hair is a dark auburn rust color. Then in DoReMi it's a different tone. Different again when the Captain and Leisl sing Edelweiss. If you read the forums on this site and a few others, experts, with some who worked with this film in some way, say that the 40th anniversary DVD release had the correct colors, because Robert Wise's approved 70mm print (from the laserdisc) was used as a reference.
Also, I understand this was the first time they could use the 6 track stereo master (for the blu-ray), and it does have a richer sound, but listen closely, the entire upper end high frequencies have been removed in order to get rid of the tape hiss. If you switch on the blu-ray to the French soundtrack, or compare the English track to the 40th anniversary DVD, you can hear all of those sounds including the high frequencies of many of the musical instruments, My preference is to ALWAYS leave most of the tape hiss, I'd rather have that along with the upper register of sound than a track where all of the high frequencies have been removed because they registered in the frequencies with the tape hiss, and we all know in this world of digital, tape hiss would be a big no-no. In fact, if you watch the short film on the blu-ray extra about restoring the sound, you can actually see the man on the computer showing us (as we watch the tv monitor showing the levels in moving color bars) that "this is all tape hiss so we cut it out" he says, and you can actually see that there are actual signals being taken off.
As you have all probably guessed, this is my all time favorite movie, and with every release since VHS began, there was always something wrong with the sound and picture. To me, the best version is the 40th anniversary DVD restoration. It's a shame they didn't offer that at least on an extra disc, and also the soundtrack from that restoration, which includes the tape hiss and you can really hear the high end. I would love to hear that soundtrack in lossless audio. Also, the version that ABC TV had shown for years was much m,ore close to the original color pallette (now they starting showing the blu-ray transfer the last few years) AND you can hear the tape's hiss on ABC's older version, which I believe is the same as the 40th anniversary DVD. Thank God I taped it off of ABC every year.
I do have to make a disclaimer. The work that was done by Fox on the blu-ray release for the 45th anniversary is simply stunning. The clarity is so good you can see all of the individual blades of grass, and even almost know how the clothing would feel to the touch. It is awesome work and I have to commend those who cleaned it up and made such wonderful detail available to us. But I think when it came to color, since no one was alive from the film who could remember the accurate palette, I think a lot of decisions were made without having any reference and the overall color of the entire film changed. And as far as the sound, I think a decision was made to completely rid the soundtrack of tape noise and hiss which would be at the top of the frequency register, where such sounds as tambourines and the top frequencies of horns exist. Watch the "restoring the sound" short on the blu-ray extras, you can literally see them wiping away the highest frequencies and right on their monitors, you watch actual sound signals cut off.
So now the question of a 4k release? Who knows now that Disney owns it, but I truly believe we were VERY close to having this disc in 4k in our hands by now, but the Disney deal would be its demise, at least for now.
honestly I wish a future release would be original to it's 70mm 6-track audio mix - Robert Wise was noted to not being a fan of surround sound - the five stage channel / mono surround mix from what I've read was entirely different to the 7.1 mix that stereo's the mono surround to four channels (overkill in my opinion).
2020 was the film's 55th anniversary. Over at Fox Video, they released a new special set of this film every 5 years without fail near March, when it had its New York world premiere, starting with the laserdisc "Fox widescreen edition.".
I truly believe that there was a planned 4k blu-ray release prepared at Fox for the anniversary. They already have an 8k scan, and a downsized 4k scan that was done when they restored the film for the 45th anniversary and put it out on blu-ray for the first time. Then during this period, the deal with Disney took place, and what happened? Disney Plus. The Sound of Music was the first Fox film to be included in their new service, it was on Disney Plus from day one, though only in HD.
So I believe that Disney stopped work on a 4k edition for the 55th anniversary in order for the film to be an exclusive on Disney Plus. Let;s be real, this is exactly the type of thing Disney does. Fox had never missed a new release every 5 years in over 25 years.
I do hope we get this in 4k one day, but I have a note to the Disney video team: You must fix the color palette on the blu-ray version. Of all the different releases over the years (which I own and always compare), all with different transfers, not one of those previous releases had the color tones on the blu-ray. It was like the blu-ray was a completely different film as far as color. They changed a lot of the film to a multitude of earth-tone colors and got rid of so many of the blue tones. Check out the other versions, look at the brilliant and BRIGHT color of the grass and mountains on the opening scene on the older versions. Plus many loyalists including projectionists have claimed that they never saw the film with these colors before. Julie Andrews hair was supposed to be blonde. In interviews available on YouTube, she talks about her hair becoming a very light blonde color, yet in My Favorite Things, her hair is a dark auburn rust color. Then in DoReMi it's a different tone. Different again when the Captain and Leisl sing Edelweiss. If you read the forums on this site and a few others, experts, with some who worked with this film in some way, say that the 40th anniversary DVD release had the correct colors, because Robert Wise's approved 70mm print (from the laserdisc) was used as a reference.
Also, I understand this was the first time they could use the 6 track stereo master (for the blu-ray), and it does have a richer sound, but listen closely, the entire upper end high frequencies have been removed in order to get rid of the tape hiss. If you switch on the blu-ray to the French soundtrack, or compare the English track to the 40th anniversary DVD, you can hear all of those sounds including the high frequencies of many of the musical instruments, My preference is to ALWAYS leave most of the tape hiss, I'd rather have that along with the upper register of sound than a track where all of the high frequencies have been removed because they registered in the frequencies with the tape hiss, and we all know in this world of digital, tape hiss would be a big no-no. In fact, if you watch the short film on the blu-ray extra about restoring the sound, you can actually see the man on the computer showing us (as we watch the tv monitor showing the levels in moving color bars) that "this is all tape hiss so we cut it out" he says, and you can actually see that there are actual signals being taken off.
As you have all probably guessed, this is my all time favorite movie, and with every release since VHS began, there was always something wrong with the sound and picture. To me, the best version is the 40th anniversary DVD restoration. It's a shame they didn't offer that at least on an extra disc, and also the soundtrack from that restoration, which includes the tape hiss and you can really hear the high end. I would love to hear that soundtrack in lossless audio. Also, the version that ABC TV had shown for years was much m,ore close to the original color pallette (now they starting showing the blu-ray transfer the last few years) AND you can hear the tape's hiss on ABC's older version, which I believe is the same as the 40th anniversary DVD. Thank God I taped it off of ABC every year.
I do have to make a disclaimer. The work that was done by Fox on the blu-ray release for the 45th anniversary is simply stunning. The clarity is so good you can see all of the individual blades of grass, and even almost know how the clothing would feel to the touch. It is awesome work and I have to commend those who cleaned it up and made such wonderful detail available to us. But I think when it came to color, since no one was alive from the film who could remember the accurate palette, I think a lot of decisions were made without having any reference and the overall color of the entire film changed. And as far as the sound, I think a decision was made to completely rid the soundtrack of tape noise and hiss which would be at the top of the frequency register, where such sounds as tambourines and the top frequencies of horns exist. Watch the "restoring the sound" short on the blu-ray extras, you can literally see them wiping away the highest frequencies and right on their monitors, you watch actual sound signals cut off.
So now the question of a 4k release? Who knows now that Disney owns it, but I truly believe we were VERY close to having this disc in 4k in our hands by now, but the Disney deal would be its demise, at least for now.
Thank you so much for this post Robert Siegel, just exactly my words you just wrote down.
Can't wait for the day we finally get a color-corrected, full sound version of this amazing movie, The Sound of Music.
Disney are turning into almost inconceivable bastards
even Disney's own heir is trashing them to bits all the time
Not one pre-1980 movie scheduled by Disney in 4k, looks like they are going to hold the entire library hostage for Disney plus. The Sound of Music was the first Fox movie to be on Disney plus, no other streaming service has it unless you want to rent or purchase it. The day Rupert Murdock purchased Fox was really the end, because I knew one day he would sell off the entertainment part of Fox, what is sad is that Warner didn't buy them or Sony or Paramount. It had to be Disney. I don't think we will see any 4k releases of the classics from 20th Century "studios."
This seems like a no brainer!! I've seen the trailer for the 4k restoration but alas, we're waiting for the physical disc. MY FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME!!! (There I said it!!)
Just rewatched this BD and although it still looks good, it has some sharpening and not much grain. The colours would also look amazing in HDR. Throw in the original soundtrack in lossless to boot.
Just rewatched this BD and although it still looks good, it has some sharpening and not much grain. The colours would also look amazing in HDR. Throw in the original soundtrack in lossless to boot.
Funny, there's no sharpening at all, and the film was shot 65mm, so the grain is finer and definitely still there. It looks as it should.
I know it is 65 mm. , but still spotted what looked like additional sharpening. Maybe I a wrong.
Have seen "the Sound of music" several times on BD, most recently on my new JVC NP5 projector and I would also like to add that artificial sharpness and lack of film grain never has been an issue, the BD is almost perfect in that regard, even it is from 2010.
On the other hand, the brown-toned colors are a huge problem and very sad that Disney continue to postpone the 4K bluray release for so long of this amazing film.
The current HD master was from a 2008 Lowry restoration made from 8k scans of the 70mm OCN (not many studios do these as they cost 10x more than 6.5k scanning alone). It's one of the better masters they've done compared to others with varying degrees of degraining/frozen grain and the like.
If the 8k raw scan files still exist I'm sure they could do a 4k HDR with very minimal cost/effort. The problem lies with 20th Century Disney's priorities and possible issues with overall subject matter (WW II stuff isn't very wokeflake friendly).
The current HD master was from a 2008 Lowry restoration made from 8k scans of the 70mm OCN (not many studios do these as they cost 10x more than 6.5k scanning alone). It's one of the better masters they've done compared to others with varying degrees of degraining/frozen grain and the like.
If the 8k raw scan files still exist I'm sure they could do a 4k HDR with very minimal cost/effort. The problem lies with 20th Century Disney's priorities and possible issues with overall subject matter (WW II stuff isn't very wokeflake friendly).
Before Disney killed Fox, TSoM got a new 4K restoration in the 2010s, with new 70mm screening prints and a 4K DCP package being minted from it, so it just needs an HDR grading, if it didn't already get that back then.
Before Disney killed Fox, TSoM got a new 4K restoration in the 2010s, with new 70mm screening prints and a 4K DCP package being minted from it, so it just needs an HDR grading, if it didn't already get that back then.
Interesting, how long ago exactly was it done? Knowing Fox had not started HDR grades until 2015 with ID4, they probably finished it SDR and has teal tingeing like their other in-house remasters created between 2011-2014. Fox originally did a 4k SDR remaster of Speed around 2012 and some DCPs were of this version (with a heavy teal/yellow cast) before being revised with a HDR grade prior to the Disney merger and finally released in 2021.
The current HD master was from a 2008 Lowry restoration made from 8k scans of the 70mm OCN (not many studios do these as they cost 10x more than 6.5k scanning alone). It's one of the better masters they've done compared to others with varying degrees of degraining/frozen grain and the like.
If the 8k raw scan files still exist I'm sure they could do a 4k HDR with very minimal cost/effort. The problem lies with 20th Century Disney's priorities and possible issues with overall subject matter (WW II stuff isn't very wokeflake friendly).
Nope. The previous 4K transfer(s) was done from a brand new interpositive contact printed from the negative as that was the workflow for 65mm at FotoKem at that time, they preferred to build all the dissolves/fades (as 65mm is usually cut to A/B rolls or Auto Select) into the material to be scanned rather than encode them digitally post-scanning, and with the quality of both the large format original and modern intermediate stock then the loss in MTF from not using the negative is minimal. They also used a 70mm print from the 2000 restoration approved by Robert Wise as colour reference for the timing of that new interpositive.
Interesting, how long ago exactly was it done? Knowing Fox had not started HDR grades until 2015 with ID4, they probably finished it SDR and has teal tingeing like their other in-house remasters created between 2011-2014. Fox originally did a 4k SDR remaster of Speed around 2012 and some DCPs were of this version (with a heavy teal/yellow cast) before being revised with a HDR grade prior to the Disney merger and finally released in 2021.
There is no technical information about that I could find, so we have no nuts-and-bolts stats about it, though first-hand reports from the screenings indicate that this could have been Fox's last and ultimately, the best ever, restoration work on their catalogue offerings. It literally, came out of nowhere and was presented in the UK in both digital and 70mm, shortly before the pandemic started.
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