Black Bars -My Opinion - Blu-ray Forum

john91945 · 03-04-2008, 02:01 AM

My first post on the forum - I'd like to offer my opinion (simple new idea?) on the black bar aspect ratio issue, which I know has been widely discussed previously. Most persons on this forum seem to favor the original aspect ratio for Blu-Ray DVDs. Myself, I hate the black bars - to me, it seems to be huge waste of available 16:9 wide screen TV. I think if you take a national poll, you would find the general public pretty much split 50/50 on this issue (an actual poll was taken) - the results were split - about half want to retain the artistic intent of the dirertor, and the other half could care less about the director and simply want to fill the entire screen of their new HD TV with a nice HD picture. My recommendation: future Blu-Ray DVDs should offer a choice for the consumer - offer the original aspect ratio version, and also offer a full screen version (say 1:85) -let the customer choose - I think that would solve the issue. What's wrong with that simple recommendation?

John

BStecke · 03-04-2008, 02:02 AM

What's wrong? Additional cost, waste of space . . .

People just need to learn to live with it. Not that big of a deal . . .

doctorsteve · 03-04-2008, 02:06 AM

Here we go again.

Welcome to the forum - there are already threads for opinions on this topic (and future topics). Please use the search function...

Iceman713713 · 03-04-2008, 02:06 AM

I don't think they should have two releases (Fullscreen vs. widescreen). They were a pain in the ass with DVD. I think all blu-ray should take up the whole screen, but wouldn't that still be widescreen since we have widescreen TVs?

Banjo · 03-04-2008, 02:07 AM

I prefer to watch movies in their original aspect ratios. Period.

BLU for Blue · 03-04-2008, 02:09 AM

Get over it they are here to stay

Blu-Raider · 03-04-2008, 02:09 AM

What are these black bars of which you speak?

Tolio007 · 03-04-2008, 02:09 AM

I agree!!! The black bars bug the piss out of me!! I paid for 52 inches why can't I watch all of them?

X-Ninja · 03-04-2008, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

I prefer to watch movies in their original aspect ratios. Period.

qft

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tolio007

I agree!!! The black bars bug the piss out of me!! I paid for 52 inches why can't I watch all of them?

Go ahead. Use the zoom feature on your TV to zoom into the image... Make it to fit EXACTLY your screen to get rid of the black bars.
Tell me how it looked.

If you honestly like decreasing picture quality just so that it will fit your screen, go ahead... Me? Im sticking with the original aspect ratio that the film was recorded on.

Banjo · 03-04-2008, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tolio007

I agree!!! The black bars bug the piss out of me!! I paid for 52 inches why can't I watch all of them?

Then stick to 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 movies.

BStecke · 03-04-2008, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tolio007

I agree!!! The black bars bug the piss out of me!! I paid for 52 inches why can't I watch all of them?

Maybe you should do some research to make sure you'll be satisfied with your purchase?

JasonR · 03-04-2008, 02:12 AM

The button is called ZOOM!!! Use it!!

Rhoq · 03-04-2008, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman713713

I don't think they should have two releases (Fullscreen vs. widescreen). They were a pain in the ass with DVD. I think all blu-ray should take up the whole screen, but wouldn't that still be widescreen since we have widescreen TVs?

It's not about "widescreen", it's about preserving a film's OAR.

DocNovak · 03-04-2008, 02:13 AM

It is the half that do not want that black bars because as you say "could care less about the director" that are uninformed as to what they would be loosing. If they know so much about what movies should look like, then why aren't they out there making movies? I want to see what the director wants me to see. I want to see the wide screen filled with nothing in Lawrence of Arabia so that I feel as if Lawrence really is in the middle of the largest desert on the planet with no other life anywhere near him. We should work on educating the 50% who don't care, not simply pandering to the lowest common denominator. Here is an excellent example of why we should present things in there original aspect ratio, and uses one of my favorite movies, Lawrence of Arabia, as a prime example: http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/764

Cplhicks · 03-04-2008, 02:15 AM

Oh god, first it was "black bars are cutting off the top and bottom" on 4x3 TVs. Finally widescreen gets wide acceptance and now people are complaining about much smaller black bars on their TVs. Ugh! America is, I think, the only country that is dopey enough to have people STILL whining about black bars. Get over it. OAR or nothing, period. Can't there be a new forum rule about "no black bars posts" in the future?

Tolio007 · 03-04-2008, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BStecke

Maybe you should do some research to make sure you'll be satisfied with your purchase?

I did plenty of research. I just don't understand how anyone could actually like that? and it's not like you have a super wide screen That lets you view the movie like the "director wants you to see it" chuckle's.

BStecke · 03-04-2008, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocNovak

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/764

Great article!

BStecke · 03-04-2008, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tolio007

I did plenty of research. I just don't understand how anyone could actually like that? and it's not like you have a super wide screen That lets you view the movie like the "director wants you to see it" chuckle's.

That's . . . the whole point of the black bars

Obviously "plenty" is not enough.

Tolio007 · 03-04-2008, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonR

The button is called ZOOM!!! Use it!!

Yeah! then you lose the pq smarty! have another.

WickyWoo · 03-04-2008, 02:18 AM

Turn off your lights, they'll go away

I'm sure that when Blu reaches a certain level, that there will be plenty of dual releases that bastardize the picture. Until that time, deal with it.

03-04-2008, 02:01 AM	#1
john91945 Junior Member Member since:Mar 2008	Black Bars -My Opinion My first post on the forum - I'd like to offer my opinion (simple new idea?) on the black bar aspect ratio issue, which I know has been widely discussed previously. Most persons on this forum seem to favor the original aspect ratio for Blu-Ray DVDs. Myself, I hate the black bars - to me, it seems to be huge waste of available 16:9 wide screen TV. I think if you take a national poll, you would find the general public pretty much split 50/50 on this issue (an actual poll was taken) - the results were split - about half want to retain the artistic intent of the dirertor, and the other half could care less about the director and simply want to fill the entire screen of their new HD TV with a nice HD picture. My recommendation: future Blu-Ray DVDs should offer a choice for the consumer - offer the original aspect ratio version, and also offer a full screen version (say 1:85) -let the customer choose - I think that would solve the issue. What's wrong with that simple recommendation? John

03-04-2008, 02:02 AM	#2
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	What's wrong? Additional cost, waste of space . . . People just need to learn to live with it. Not that big of a deal . . . Last edited by BStecke; 03-04-2008 at 02:08 AM.

03-04-2008, 02:06 AM	#3
doctorsteve Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Tonawanda, NY Home Theater Gallery:15 Blu-ray collection:188 Blu-ray reviews:16	Groundhog's Daaaaaaayy!!!!!!! Here we go again. Welcome to the forum - there are already threads for opinions on this topic (and future topics). Please use the search function...

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03-04-2008, 02:06 AM	#4
Iceman713713 Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Boston, MA Blu-ray collection:173	I don't think they should have two releases (Fullscreen vs. widescreen). They were a pain in the ass with DVD. I think all blu-ray should take up the whole screen, but wouldn't that still be widescreen since we have widescreen TVs?

03-04-2008, 02:07 AM	#5
Banjo Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Blu-ray collection:143	I prefer to watch movies in their original aspect ratios. Period.

03-04-2008, 02:09 AM	#6
BLU for Blue Banned Member since:Jan 2008 Location:New York	Get over it they are here to stay

03-04-2008, 02:09 AM	#7
Blu-Raider Expert Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Dark Side of the Moon Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:64 Blu-ray reviews:2	What are these black bars of which you speak?

03-04-2008, 02:09 AM	#8
Tolio007 Member Member since:Nov 2007	I agree!!! The black bars bug the piss out of me!! I paid for 52 inches why can't I watch all of them?

03-04-2008, 02:12 AM	#12
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	The button is called ZOOM!!! Use it!!

03-04-2008, 02:13 AM	#14
DocNovak Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:SATX Blu-ray collection:164	It is the half that do not want that black bars because as you say "could care less about the director" that are uninformed as to what they would be loosing. If they know so much about what movies should look like, then why aren't they out there making movies? I want to see what the director wants me to see. I want to see the wide screen filled with nothing in Lawrence of Arabia so that I feel as if Lawrence really is in the middle of the largest desert on the planet with no other life anywhere near him. We should work on educating the 50% who don't care, not simply pandering to the lowest common denominator. Here is an excellent example of why we should present things in there original aspect ratio, and uses one of my favorite movies, Lawrence of Arabia, as a prime example: http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/764

03-04-2008, 02:15 AM	#15
Cplhicks Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 4K collection:276 Blu-ray collection:1996 DVD collection:798 MA collection:457 Digital collection:581 iTunes collection:668 Prime collection:446 Trading Score:31	Oh god, first it was "black bars are cutting off the top and bottom" on 4x3 TVs. Finally widescreen gets wide acceptance and now people are complaining about much smaller black bars on their TVs. Ugh! America is, I think, the only country that is dopey enough to have people STILL whining about black bars. Get over it. OAR or nothing, period. Can't there be a new forum rule about "no black bars posts" in the future?

03-04-2008, 02:18 AM	#20
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	Turn off your lights, they'll go away I'm sure that when Blu reaches a certain level, that there will be plenty of dual releases that bastardize the picture. Until that time, deal with it.

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