BD Rental Discs.. Is Hardcoat working ? - Blu-ray Forum

b2bonez · 12-18-2006, 06:05 AM

Though I would ask this question to confirm that the hardcoat on BD discs is doing its job. When BluRay goes mainstream the rental market (Nexflix, Blockbuster... etc.) is going to really put discs to the test. I personally think that HD-DVD discs just aren't going to be durable enough to survive the rough handling they will get.

Any reports on the BD rental discs to share ??

b2b

thunderhawk · 12-18-2006, 09:25 AM

Good question. Been asking myself the same...

Deciazulado · 12-18-2006, 10:06 AM

Well one of my BD purchases came with a loose disc inside rattling, and I was very worried because usually when that happens with a CD or DVD it means I get a scratched disc, but when I opened the case, the loose disc's finish was perfect. I don't know if it was because of any coatings or luck, but that was a relief!

I of course immediately welded the disc to the hub so it would never happen again

Here's another thread where we talked about scratches.

Jim L · 12-18-2006, 10:16 AM

I've also had 2 BD purchases that had a loose disc rattling in the case, but there was no damage.

I am also a Netflix customer and usually get 2 BD's per week sent through the mail in their thin paper envelope. I am surprised at how perfect they are. Once in a while they have a few smudges, but I just wipe them off. Granted all their BD inventory is new and I know the usage rate is not what DVD's are, but so far so good.

JBlacklow · 12-18-2006, 02:44 PM

No word on Blu-ray hardcoats, but an acquaintance of mine who has an HD DVD player has been getting a lot of scratched and unplayable discs via Netflix. Like, 6 out of the last 10 titles. He complained to Netflix, but has yet to hear back. Meanwhile, he's gone through 3(!) discs of "Superman Returns" and has only found 1 that played well. I told him he might as well buy it to ensure he gets a pristine copy.

In my case, I've got 7 BDs from Netflix so far and they've all played flawlessly on my PS3.

Casey · 12-18-2006, 03:25 PM

yea ive rented a few from blockbuster online and they all work perfectly

b2bonez · 12-18-2006, 03:52 PM

I know some of the B&M rental stores are going to start carrying both HD-DVD & BluRay discs pretty soon. If all of the stores have bad problems with HD-DVD discs getting damaged it will be the nail in HD-DVDs coffin if they decide it's too costly to keep replacing discs when the BD discs are more bulletproof.

Please keep posting about your experiences with Netflix and BBonline.

b2b

dialog_gvf · 12-18-2006, 04:14 PM

LOL! I was thinking about starting a poll myself.

I have had five discs so far from the biggest Netflix-like service here (Zip.ca) and I check the discs. I saw one very fine <1 cm scratch on one disc (the disc played flawlessly), and otherwise the discs have been pristine.

I suggest everyone actually look at every disc they get to see what kind of scratching you see.

From both a cost of delivery and customer service point of view, this could turn out to be huge. The rental companies could start demanding hard-coat on HD DVD.

Can you imagine what a HD DVD combo with hard-coat would cost to make? Yikes.

Gary

theknub · 12-18-2006, 05:01 PM

i don't think it can be done. you'd be changing the specs of the disc and that would require all new players and the like

b2bonez · 12-18-2006, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theknub

i don't think it can be done. you'd be changing the specs of the disc and that would require all new players and the like

I think it can be done for HD-DVD, but it would have to be like the Durabis that is used on the DVD recordable media. If I'm not mistaken the current process for BluRay spin coating is that the whole .1mm cover layer is the hardcoat, so no additional Durabis like coating is needed. (Don't quote me on that, as I'm not 100% sure it is correct).

b2b

phloyd · 12-18-2006, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b2bonez

I know some of the B&M rental stores are going to start carrying both HD-DVD & BluRay discs pretty soon.

My local Hollywood Video has them - sadly they are $5.99 a rental iirc.

hyperdine · 12-18-2006, 07:19 PM

Same experience here as Jim and Deci...

Since I order from Amazon, it's been a pretty regular occurence (unforutnately). However, all discs have played back flawlessly.

b2bonez · 12-18-2006, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phloyd

My local Hollywood Video has them - sadly they are $5.99 a rental iirc.

Ack ! That's messed up...

b2b

12-18-2006, 06:05 AM	#1
b2bonez Active Member Member since:Dec 2006	BD Rental Discs.. Is Hardcoat working ? Though I would ask this question to confirm that the hardcoat on BD discs is doing its job. When BluRay goes mainstream the rental market (Nexflix, Blockbuster... etc.) is going to really put discs to the test. I personally think that HD-DVD discs just aren't going to be durable enough to survive the rough handling they will get. Any reports on the BD rental discs to share ?? b2b

12-18-2006, 10:16 AM	#4
Jim L Special Member Top contributor Member since:Apr 2006 Location:Myrtle Beach, SC Blu-ray reviews: 12 Trading Score:20	No problems here I've also had 2 BD purchases that had a loose disc rattling in the case, but there was no damage. I am also a Netflix customer and usually get 2 BD's per week sent through the mail in their thin paper envelope. I am surprised at how perfect they are. Once in a while they have a few smudges, but I just wipe them off. Granted all their BD inventory is new and I know the usage rate is not what DVD's are, but so far so good.

Similar Threads
thread	Forum	Thread Starter	Replies	Last Post
One of my discs has stopped working...	Blu-ray Movies - North America	Ernest Rister	54	02-12-2021 10:27 PM
Blu-ray Discs & PS3 Games rental library in Gurgaon, India	India	sanjay0864	11	04-29-2010 12:23 PM
IronMan discs quit working	Blu-ray Movies - North America	CarlH	25	08-14-2009 07:48 PM
Rental discs	General Chat	-Sandro-	15	05-21-2009 01:35 AM
Irresponsible use of Blu-ray rental discs	Blu-ray Technology and Future Technology	Bobby Henderson	20	02-27-2008 04:25 PM

12-18-2006, 09:25 AM	#2
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	Good question. Been asking myself the same...

12-18-2006, 10:06 AM	#3
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7044 DVD collection:4040	Well one of my BD purchases came with a loose disc inside rattling, and I was very worried because usually when that happens with a CD or DVD it means I get a scratched disc, but when I opened the case, the loose disc's finish was perfect. I don't know if it was because of any coatings or luck, but that was a relief! I of course immediately welded the disc to the hub so it would never happen again Here's another thread where we talked about scratches.

12-18-2006, 02:44 PM	#5
JBlacklow Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	No word on Blu-ray hardcoats, but an acquaintance of mine who has an HD DVD player has been getting a lot of scratched and unplayable discs via Netflix. Like, 6 out of the last 10 titles. He complained to Netflix, but has yet to hear back. Meanwhile, he's gone through 3(!) discs of "Superman Returns" and has only found 1 that played well. I told him he might as well buy it to ensure he gets a pristine copy. In my case, I've got 7 BDs from Netflix so far and they've all played flawlessly on my PS3.

12-18-2006, 03:25 PM	#6
Casey Special Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2006 Location:St. Louis, MO 4K collection:144 Blu-ray collection:493 DVD collection:11 Digital collection:269 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:113	yea ive rented a few from blockbuster online and they all work perfectly

12-18-2006, 03:52 PM	#7
b2bonez Active Member Member since:Dec 2006	I know some of the B&M rental stores are going to start carrying both HD-DVD & BluRay discs pretty soon. If all of the stores have bad problems with HD-DVD discs getting damaged it will be the nail in HD-DVDs coffin if they decide it's too costly to keep replacing discs when the BD discs are more bulletproof. Please keep posting about your experiences with Netflix and BBonline. b2b

12-18-2006, 04:14 PM	#8
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	LOL! I was thinking about starting a poll myself. I have had five discs so far from the biggest Netflix-like service here (Zip.ca) and I check the discs. I saw one very fine <1 cm scratch on one disc (the disc played flawlessly), and otherwise the discs have been pristine. I suggest everyone actually look at every disc they get to see what kind of scratching you see. From both a cost of delivery and customer service point of view, this could turn out to be huge. The rental companies could start demanding hard-coat on HD DVD. Can you imagine what a HD DVD combo with hard-coat would cost to make? Yikes. Gary

12-18-2006, 05:01 PM	#9
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	i don't think it can be done. you'd be changing the specs of the disc and that would require all new players and the like

12-18-2006, 07:19 PM	#12
hyperdine Senior Member Member since:Sep 2006	Same experience here as Jim and Deci... Since I order from Amazon, it's been a pretty regular occurence (unforutnately). However, all discs have played back flawlessly.

Best Blu-ray Movie Deals