Reuters: Sony enhances Blu-ray offerings

[joeorc]

Ultimately, all Blu-ray players will be Profile 2.0. When the format launched in June 2006, Blu-ray players were of the basic Profile 1.0 kind, meaning they could offer neither picture-in-picture nor Internet connectivity, something the doomed HD DVD rival format offered from Day 1.

http://www.reuters.com/article/inter...29776820080324

CAN YOU dig it...

"Ultimately, all Blu-ray players will be Profile 2.0"

[dk3dknight]

As much as I would want that to be true the IT in me tells me to be in disbelief.

[Bango]

Yeah I would think older models would have a hardware issues. I think what they're trying to say is that eventually, only 2.0 models will be sold, and the consumer doesn't have to worry about picking up older profile ones.

[joeorc]

UMD'S contain updates for the PSP ...i do not see why a blu-ray player cannot have the same type of updates since all blu-ray players use Java i can see that

[owa]

Originally Posted by Bango

Yeah I would think older models would have a hardware issues. I think what they're trying to say is that eventually, only 2.0 models will be sold, and the consumer doesn't have to worry about picking up older profile ones.

Yeah, it's talking about new models. Older models can't be upgraded. Like you said, the older models don't even have the necessary hardware.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Bango

Yeah I would think older models would have a hardware issues. I think what they're trying to say is that eventually, only 2.0 models will be sold, and the consumer doesn't have to worry about picking up older profile ones.

no since all blu-ray players use Java its only if the hardware is the limitation ...
which outside of the company who did the hardware design or you happen to be working on the BD-JAVA software for that hardware in Q: PEOPLE OUTSIDE would only be giving their best guess about if it can or cannot. be updated to 2.0

[Neo65]

Originally Posted by joeorc

UMD'S contain updates for the PSP ...i do not see why a blu-ray player cannot have the same type of updates since all blu-ray players use Java i can see that

Thing though, is that the ethernet and phone jacks at the back of the satellite settop boxes have been a hassle if you don't need the payperview stuff. The service providers trying to increase the hassle of not allowing the back channel back so as to drive away people who do not want the service provider to have any technology that can track what content you watch, let alone a path for targeted selling or popus into your TV.

This would mean that people who don't want the ethernet connectivity (2.0) to be forced to take it. One of the big negatives of the divx player was that it forces a backchannel that allows per-view billing as well as forced authentication of each disk sold. This does have shades of that.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by owa

Yeah, it's talking about new models. Older models can't be upgraded. Like you said, the older models don't even have the necessary hardware.

it said ALL blu-ray players. that
did not just say future blu-ray players.
it said ALL

now what BD 2.0 has in its capability is anyones guess unless you are working on the BD-JAVA software for 2.0. just because the BD player may not have an network port does not mean the player would not be able to use the other functions of BDJ-2.0

LIKE i said
it depends on the hardware.

[savage1984]

dude, seriously. read it over again. I'm not being a dick.
I know where you're coming from.
We all get excited when something good for bd happens.
Slow it down and read again.
Eventually, all blu-ray players released by companies will be 2.0 (full profile). That's not to say all blu-ray players can and will become 2.0 compliant.
An example would be a blu-ray player without an ethernet port. It can never be 2.0 compliant for that very reason.
One day, hopefully by Jan. 1, 2009 all players released will be 2.0 compliant and around $300.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Neo65

Thing though, is that the ethernet and phone jacks at the back of the satellite settop boxes have been a hassle if you don't need the payperview stuff. The service providers trying to increase the hassle of not allowing the back channel back so as to drive away people who do not want the service provider to have any technology that can track what content you watch, let alone a path for targeted selling or popus into your TV.

This would mean that people who don't want the ethernet connectivity (2.0) to be forced to take it. One of the big negatives of the divx player was that it forces a backchannel that allows per-view billing as well as forced authentication of each disk sold.

yes but if the device in Q: can handle the software and has the hardware Requirements of say 90% the functions that are part of the software may not all work but some of the software would work. its like the min requirements on software for PC's even if you do not have the MIN requirements alot of times the program will still run. not well... but that happens

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by joeorc

yes but if the device in Q: can handle the software and has the hardware Requirements of say 90% the functions that are part of the software may not all work but some of the software would work. its like the min requirements on software for PC's even if you do not have the MIN requirements alot of times the program will still run. not well... but that happens

the real question isn't capability but whether or not the companies will release the updates for these older players once the market is overrun by 2.0 players.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by savage1984

dude, seriously. read it over again. I'm not being a dick.
I know where you're coming from.
We all get excited when something good for bd happens.
Slow it down and read again.
Eventually, all blu-ray players released by companies will be 2.0 (full profile). That's not to say all blu-ray players can and will become 2.0 compliant.
An example would be a blu-ray player without an ethernet port. It can never be 2.0 compliant for that very reason.
One day, hopefully by Jan. 1, 2009 all players released will be 2.0 compliant and around $300.

An example would be a blu-ray player without an ethernet port. It can never be 2.0 compliant for that very reason.

yes i am not disagreeing with that what i am saying is the hardware requirements for the BD-player can be updated to use BDjava enhancements if the hardware is capable of useing 2.0 functions

example:

BD-JAVA 2.0 REQUIREMENTS


Built-in persistent memory: 64 KB
Local storage capability:1 GB
Secondary video decoder:Mandatory
Secondary audio decoder:Mandatory
Virtual file system:Mandatory
Internet connection capability:Mandatory

if the player did not have a network port that would be the only real way to tell. unless the company who made the player said it could not be updated. the Q: would be which Blu-ray players

do not have the NETWORK PORT ,OR NO WAY TO CONNECT TO THE INTERNET.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by savage1984

the real question isn't capability but whether or not the companies will release the updates for these older players once the market is overrun by 2.0 players.

YES i agree with that 100% , it depends on the company that made the hardware. look at the playstation 3 it gets its update for 2.0 APR 8th. so it depends on the company. an what hardware they put in the player

[dk3dknight]

Yeah but due to the lack of nanotechnology in the players they cannot form phonejacks / Ethernet ports from iron fillets to allow them the full feature list.

Im sorry to inform you of that. Perhaps next time.

[danielpwnz]

You can't burn an Ethernet port onto a disc and have it magically pop up on your old player.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by dk3dknight

Yeah but due to the lack of nanotechnology in the players they cannot form phonejacks / Ethernet ports from iron fillets to allow them the full feature list.

Im sorry to inform you of that. Perhaps next time.

you are missing the point.

the point is if the BD player cannot in anyway connect to the internet yea the BD player would not be 2.0 complient, but may be able to use 2.0 BD-JAVA software.

One of the best example's of this is even though the PSP does not come with HOME BREW people have on a number of occasions have quite a few HOME BREW applications work on a PSP. from a memory stick thats just one example

it has no network port but does have IR, and WIFI

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by danielpwnz

You can't burn an Ethernet port onto a disc and have it magically pop up on your old player.

i know that i am not saying that..i agree if the BD player has no NETWORK port and HAS no way to connect to the internet would not be 100% BD 2.0 complient, but that also does not mean that the BD player cannot use some of the BD 2.0 function's.

example :

some of the BD PLAYER's that have no PIP were able to get simulated PIP from the BD disc its self. now granted you cannot get a network port from a Blu-ray disc but you can view web pages off line even if you have no connection to the internet..yes you need a web browser but, even that can be made to be for viewing content that would be on the disc itself even with out an internet connection..., the Bd player may not be able to connect to the internet but still view the web page data that has been put on the disc.

[Anthony P]

i know that i am not saying that..i agree if the BD player has no NETWORK port and HAS no way to connect to the internet would not be 100% BD 2.0 complient, but that also does not mean that the BD player cannot use some of the BD 2.0 function's.

but 2 IS internet capability. Will a 2.0 title work on a 1.0 player? for sure just not the internet extras.

some of the BD PLAYER's that have no PIP were able to get simulated PIP from the BD disc its self.

but it is not PiP. The disks have two versions of the movie, the normal one and one where some place is blocked. No players use the 1.1 features because it is not a 1.1 title .

now granted you cannot get a network port from a Blu-ray disc but you can view web pages off line even if you have no connection to the internet..yes you need a web browser but, even that can be made to be for viewing content that would be on the disc itself even with out an internet connection..., the Bd player may not be able to connect to the internet but still view the web page data that has been put on the disc.

well let's flip that example. what kind of stuff are we talking about? DL of extra content (like extra obscure subtitles)? if it would fit on the disk then they would have put it there, if it was so that they can know interest then they won't gather the info? something dynamic (on-line games, late extras, changing content, polls..... )if they come on the disk then how will it work. Even if you try and pretend that the internet connection is not needed for 2.0 content, the fact is that the internet connection also necessitated other changes (like extra memory). what I am saying is that even if one assumes that the DL site is open and anyone (if they have the movie or not) can DL the content by going on the internet with a PC and burning the info onto a DVD that then can act like the internet on your player, you still will not be able to do anything with it, can you (for example) transfer the content from the DVD to the mem storage to use the subtitles with the movie?

[dk3dknight]

Originally Posted by joeorc

you are missing the point.

the point is if the BD player cannot in anyway connect to the internet yea the BD player would not be 2.0 complient, but may be able to use 2.0 BD-JAVA software.

One of the best example's of this is even though the PSP does not come with HOME BREW people have on a number of occasions have quite a few HOME BREW applications work on a PSP. from a memory stick thats just one example

it has no network port but does have IR, and WIFI

The question that comes to mind is, is there enough beef to run the mash potatoes and gravy...

That cannot be answered by me, I know nothing about what the hardware is capable of in the drive(s), so I leave that to the capabilities of the manufacturer and those who own those drives.

Just do not get your hopes up.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

but 2 IS internet capability. Will a 2.0 title work on a 1.0 player? for sure just not the internet extras.



but it is not PiP. The disks have two versions of the movie, the normal one and one where some place is blocked. No players use the 1.1 features because it is not a 1.1 title .



well let's flip that example. what kind of stuff are we talking about? DL of extra content (like extra obscure subtitles)? if it would fit on the disk then they would have put it there, if it was so that they can know interest then they won't gather the info? something dynamic (on-line games, late extras, changing content, polls..... )if they come on the disk then how will it work. Even if you try and pretend that the internet connection is not needed for 2.0 content, the fact is that the internet connection also necessitated other changes (like extra memory). what I am saying is that even if one assumes that the DL site is open and anyone (if they have the movie or not) can DL the content by going on the internet with a PC and burning the info onto a DVD that then can act like the internet on your player, you still will not be able to do anything with it, can you (for example) transfer the content from the DVD to the mem storage to use the subtitles with the movie?

the point is ask your self:
what is the network connection of BD java 2.0 mainly used for..?... example Advertising product FOR COMPANIES selling extra product. also online content storage. the main use is to also upgrade the player's software on the fly if needed.

now what of the above functions could be simulated by extra content loaded onto the disc. will the extra content be in HD not likely. but 480p most likely.
which is what the content provided on some of the current BD movies contain extras in 480p right now.

example you asked if:
can you (for example) transfer the content from the DVD to the mem storage to use the subtitles with the movie?..

if say the local storage contains a program to start the opening interactive menu from a local storage instead of running from the BD players interactive software from chip and run a OS on top of the existing built in BD players OS like for instance

http://jlime.com/forum/about.php

running on the HP Jornada handheld

and if the BD player's hardware is capable of that than yes you may be able to do so