If Blu-Ray loses this will be why.

[AlexKx]

Check this out. Yet more misinformation. Again it doesn't matter what everyone talks about if the information put out is wrong the public will be mislead and Blu-Ray will loose. This article:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,241916,00.html

...makes the statement of who backs Blu-Ray and who backs H.D.-D.V.D. It says (Sony and it's partners) for Blu-Ray and (Microsoft, Toshiba, et al.) for H.D.-D.V.D. For those who don't know and read this article just by HOW it is stated who looks like has more support by far? The H.D.-D.V.D. format. Yet you all claim that that's not the case. I thought I understood that EVERYONE supports Blu-Ray (as in dozens and dozens of companies and movie studios) EXCEPT for the two Microsoft and Toshiba? It is a COMPLETE distortion of reality is it not for what this article after article try to imply with statements such as those? Hence why yet again I am typing that Blu-Ray will loose not on the facts on how it is better but because to date I have yet to see an accurate article on the truth of Blu-Ray. It also talks about "Why would anyone want all the extra space on a disc?" which is MIND BOGGLING to me!!!! Damnit it is the ONLY REASON WHY I FOR ONE WANT ANY NEW FORMAT!!! I just don't get it. Why bother discussing anything if you all (or whoever makes and sells Blu-Ray) can't the CORRECT facts out?

[thunderhawk]

BD has bad PR? From HD DVD point of view yes.
PR is BDs problem, I'm with you on that one. It's a shame!

But hey, just ignore because... All the FUD, all the misinformation, it's bad for your heart.

[JTK]

And yet people WANT to believe this stuff and lap it up in droves like cult members or something.

[Deciazulado]

Well then try to explain to all people you know about the truth. Reminds me one time I was at Sears last year inquiring about Blu-ray, and the two employees told me that there weren't many movies on BD while HD DVD had lots and lots and I set them straight with the numbers and the Studios (you see their faces go like "What?!? that's not what I've been told!" (like somebody deceived them on purpose) when you tell them this. Then they went with the "But, but, Blu-rays are very fragile! You can't touch them! They break/scratch by just looking at them!" lie they'd had been told about, so I immediately produced two BD's I had just purchased that I had in my bag and told them: Go ahead, open them, play with them. Touch the surface :-P
They did and saw that the "I'm weaker than a wilted flower" thing was pure baloney too. (Or is that bologna with cheese? )
Fight FUD with facts.


Oh my poor BDs. Fondled by strangers. The humanity

[thunderhawk]

Great read deci

[JTK]

Great post. I think the heart of the matter deserves some special attention, so I upgraded my sig accordingly.

[LembasBread]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Well then try to explain to all people you know about the truth. Reminds me one time I was at Sears last year inquiring about Blu-ray, and the two employees told me that there weren't many movies on BD while HD DVD had lots and lots and I set them straight with the numbers and the Studios (you see their faces go like "What?!? that's not what I've been told!" (like somebody deceived them on purpose) when you tell them this. Then they went with the "But, but, Blu-rays are very fragile! You can't touch them! They break/scratch by just looking at them!" lie they'd had been told about, so I immediately produced two BD's I had just purchased that I had in my bag and told them: Go ahead, open them, play with them. Touch the surface :-P
They did and saw that the "I'm weaker than a wilted flower" thing was pure baloney too. (Or is that bologna with cheese? )
Fight FUD with facts.


Oh my poor BDs. Fondled by strangers. The humanity

Hey people, can we set up a fund to get Deciazulado some new, uncontaminated copies of his BD's? I don't think Lysol will cut it, they need to be burned (in honor of their sanctity of course) after being handeled by nincompoops (he-he i said poop) who don't know jack about shite.

[D-Block]

Storage Capacity wins.

[D-Block]

Blu-ray will most likely lose due to Windows and Direct x10. If HD-DVD can bring there double layer discs to 50 gb's Blu-ray might lose. I think if Microsoft can embed Windows Vista or XP into the 360 Sony will have some serious problems. With XP and Vista you can basically do anything you do on a pc.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by D-Block

Blu-ray will most likely lose due to Windows and Direct x10. If HD-DVD can bring there double layer discs to 50 gb's Blu-ray might lose. I think if Microsoft can embed Windows Vista or XP into the 360 Sony will have some serious problems. With XP and Vista you can basically do anything you do on a pc.

I think I read somewhere that MS will support playback of both BD and HD DVD natively in x86-64 computers in Vista, and the X360 already uses a PPC variant of Windows MCE (only parts and they are very small, but all in all it is still a Windows based device) and DX9.

[D-Block]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I think I read somewhere that MS will support playback of both BD and HD DVD natively in x86-64 computers in Vista, and the X360 already uses a PPC variant of Windows MCE (only parts and they are very small, but all in all it is still a Windows based device) and DX9.

We'll PS3 goes bye-bye, if this next Xbox 360 that comes out supports Vista and Direct x10. 3 cores clocked at 4 GHZ is enough to run Vista that's all I know.

[D-Block]

Microsoft adds IPTV

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/06/x...-getting-iptv/

[D-Block]

Nintendo will probably sell the most consoles due to it's revolutionary next gen controller that they stole from Sony. Xbox 360 needs a slot-loading disc drive like Nintendo's and the PS3's instead of the drive popping out, all you got to do is gently push the CD in.

[thunderhawk]

Don't think so imho. Windows won't block BD, nor will DirectX10.
M$ just has nothing to say about what people plug onto their computer, or they'll lose customers big time.
By the way, if M$ would embed Vista Media Center in Xbox360, then it would cost more... Even more...

About HD DVD storage capacity... Some say HD DVD is the best format since they developed triple layered discs. So far, there are no movies announced with 3 layers,... Bye bye 45 GB for HD DVD (so far).

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by D-Block

We'll PS3 goes bye-bye, if this next Xbox 360 that comes out supports Vista and Direct x10. 3 cores clocked at 4 GHZ is enough to run Vista that's all I know.

Firstly I don't think you understand that Vista will only ever run in the background, and it won't be proper Vista as they would need to re-write masses of code and recompile the whole of Windows (it is a very large and bloated program) to optimise it for the PPC (Power PC/RISC) architecture to get it running anything like it runs on Intel processors. Again unless the change the GPU, which is unlikely at best, it will be impossible for them to run DX10 as the R500 variant that the X360 uses is NOT compliant.

Finally the X360 has 3 cores yes, but they are clocked to 3.2GHz, just like in the PS3, the jump from 110nm to 65nm is more likely to be used to reduce power consumption/heat output so that the console will run quieter. If they did increase the clock, Devs would be mighty pissed as they would not know which variant of the console to optimise games for. If they choose the new one, the old one won't run it (properly), if they choose the old one, owners of the new one complain and say that they did not spend extra money to achieve the same performance as the old one that they already had.

So you see, MS cannot change specs like that, the only thing that they will be able to change is the inclusion of a HD DVD drive, or the amount of system RAM, as most games use RAM more dynamically than CPU power.

[D-Block]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Firstly I don't think you understand that Vista will only ever run in the background, and it won't be proper Vista as they would need to re-write masses of code and recompile the whole of Windows (it is a very large and bloated program) to optimise it for the PPC (Power PC/RISC) architecture to get it running anything like it runs on Intel processors. Again unless the change the GPU, which is unlikely at best, it will be impossible for them to run DX10 as the R500 variant that the X360 uses is NOT compliant.

Finally the X360 has 3 cores yes, but they are clocked to 3.2GHz, just like in the PS3, the jump from 110nm to 65nm is more likely to be used to reduce power consumption/heat output so that the console will run quieter. If they did increase the clock, Devs would be mighty pissed as they would not know which variant of the console to optimise games for. If they choose the new one, the old one won't run it (properly), if they choose the old one, owners of the new one complain and say that they did not spend extra money to achieve the same performance as the old one that they already had.

So you see, MS cannot change specs like that, the only thing that they will be able to change is the inclusion of a HD DVD drive, or the amount of system RAM, as most games use RAM more dynamically than CPU power.

"Firstly I don't think you understand that Vista will only ever run in the background, and it won't be proper Vista as they would need to re-write masses of code and recompile the whole of Windows (it is a very large and bloated program) to optimise it for the PPC (Power PC/RISC) architecture to get it running anything like it runs on Intel processors."

They could write the re-write the code for the xbox 360, I know if they did I would be waiting for it.

"Again unless the change the GPU, which is unlikely at best, it will be impossible for them to run DX10 as the R500 variant that the X360 uses is NOT compliant."

I know R500 isn't compliant to run Direct x10, but R600 is Direct x10 compliant. Now Microsoft should change the Xbox 360's R500 GPU to the R600.

" If they did increase the clock, Devs would be mighty pissed as they would not know which variant of the console to optimise games for. If they choose the new one, the old one won't run it (properly), if they choose the old one, owners of the new one complain and say that they did not spend extra money to achieve the same performance as the old one that they already had."

I bet they could find a way to make it run properly on the old one. But with the new one you'll get a better peformance. If they can't find a way to get the games to play on the old one than they can recall 10 million consoles and fix them.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by D-Block

You never know what they will do.

It is quite clear to most people that they will only cannibalise/split their userbase with a HDMI port and proper digital 1080p upscaling so-far. I doubt that they will increase the system RAM as there is no need to update the OS as the dashboard works fine, and Live is also fine, great infact. They may add gigabit ethernet as more and more people have FiOS from Verizon in America, and BT/France Telecom are introducing it to to UK/EU pretty soon. As for CPU/GPU updates, it is highly unlikely as even MS need to start making money on the whole gaming/Xbox venture (-$4bn and still counting so far).

[D-Block]

Originally Posted by thunderhawk

Don't think so imho. Windows won't block BD, nor will DirectX10.
M$ just has nothing to say about what people plug onto their computer, or they'll lose customers big time.
By the way, if M$ would embed Vista Media Center in Xbox360, then it would cost more... Even more...

About HD DVD storage capacity... Some say HD DVD is the best format since they developed triple layered discs. So far, there are no movies announced with 3 layers,... Bye bye 45 GB for HD DVD (so far).

We'll if they can't find a way to get double layered HD-dvd discs to 50 gbs than sony and toshiba can work together with total HD discs. There would be no need for Total HD discs if Universal starts to make movies for blu-ray.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by D-Block

We'll if they can't find a way to get double layered HD-dvd discs to 50 gbs than sony and toshiba can work together with total HD discs. There would be no need for Total HD discs if Universal starts to make movies for blu-ray.

Ok,...first hand, HD DVD already has double layered discs...each layer holds 15 GBs, and thus you have the current 30 GB, dual layered HD DVD discs. What you seem to be referencing, albeit poorly, or from a misguided stance is the mythical TRIPLE layered HD DVD disc that will be 45 GB. True, HD DVD has developed a 45 GB disc prototype in the lab,...much like the 100 GB disc for Blu-ray. Either way, each look to have about the same probability of showing up, which is a year or two off when the format war may already be over.

Next, we need to discuss this notion about Microsoft making Vista available on the Xbox 360. It isn't going to happen, and I think MaxPower1987 gave a very good explanation of why it won't. Furthermore, I'd just like to add, that I'm typing this post on my laptop which is running the most current RTM version of Vista Enterprise. Let's just say that no version of Vista natively has playback of just regular DVDs (as in you must purchase 3rd party add-on software) except for, you guessed it, the most expensive version in Vista Ultimate. Now, given this information, how big of a mark do you think Microsoft is going to make on the Blu-ray vs. HD DVD format war when the same applies for next generation discs?(except that in this case, HD DVD or Blu-ray playback is not supported natively in any of the Vista versions)? Answer: Not a very big mark. So much for the OOB experience?

[PeterTHX]

Well, if Blu-ray loses I hope it isn't because its supporters cannot spell...

"If Blu-Ray looses this will be why"
"if the information put out is wrong the public will be mislead and Blu-Ray will loose"

Why oh why can't people spell this simple word correctly anymore???

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