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[PS2king]

I have my PS3 hooked up via HDMI to my Onkyo receiver and understand changing my ps3 settings to linear pcm for Blu rays that support this. But when I am watching a Blu ray that is TrueHD or DTS-HD MA should I change the settings back to bitstream? Kinda confused thanks

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by PS2king

I have my PS3 hooked up via HDMI to my Onkyo receiver and understand changing my ps3 settings to linear pcm for Blu rays that support this. But when I am watching a Blu ray that is TrueHD or DTS-HD MA should I change the settings back to bitstream? Kinda confused thanks

no you'll want to keep it on LPCM. the PS3 can't bitstream the advanced codecs. It can only convert them in player and send out via LPCM

[PS2king]

Thanks

[wormraper]

no prob

[Clark Kent]

The only time you would want to switch to bitstream is playing back certain dvd soundtracks like DTS ES 6.1 found on a few discs. The PS3 doesn't decode those properly and discards the extra flags found in those dvd soundtracks. This is not a problem for most 5.1 audio soundtracks on dvd though.

[PS2king]

thanks

[Lucy Diamond]

Hmmm...so the PS3 doesn't switch automatically???

That doesn't seem right.

There must be a way to leave it alone???

No???


hmmmmmmmmmm....

[rogman]

Originally Posted by Lucy Diamond

Hmmm...so the PS3 doesn't switch automatically???

That doesn't seem right.

There must be a way to leave it alone???

No???


hmmmmmmmmmm....

This is the kind of thing that will delay the mass market acceptance of Blu-ray. The PS3 (and all Blu-ray players) should switch to the best audio format and provide it automatically. People (other than forum regulars like us) don't want to, and shouldn't have to know the difference between bitstream, PCM, whatever. They don't want to have to go into audio settings and check all the boxes for 5.1, 7.1, etc. Sure we need the ability to change settings, and tweak things to our preferences, but Blu-rayd discs should provide the best audio (and video) experience to all users by default for the 95% of the people who aren't 'tweakers'.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by rogman

This is the kind of thing that will delay the mass market acceptance of Blu-ray. The PS3 (and all Blu-ray players) should switch to the best audio format and provide it automatically. People (other than forum regulars like us) don't want to, and shouldn't have to know the difference between bitstream, PCM, whatever. They don't want to have to go into audio settings and check all the boxes for 5.1, 7.1, etc. Sure we need the ability to change settings, and tweak things to our preferences, but Blu-rayd discs should provide the best audio (and video) experience to all users by default for the 95% of the people who aren't 'tweakers'.

Outputting as PCM is a perfectly sensible solution and anyone knowing about advanced codecs will be able to quickly figure out that's the way to go. The mass market will probably have the PS3 audio hooked up via optical or even RCA, so it won't matter. It's myopic to say these options "delay mass market acceptance of Blu-ray" when the average consumer doesn't even have receivers, speakers or TVs that let them take advantage of blu-ray. They'll buy the PS3, realize what it can do and buy the gear that lets them get what they want out of it.

[Rabidhunter]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Outputting as PCM is a perfectly sensible solution and anyone knowing about advanced codecs will be able to quickly figure out that's the way to go. The mass market will probably have the PS3 audio hooked up via optical or even RCA, so it won't matter. It's myopic to say these options "delay mass market acceptance of Blu-ray" when the average consumer doesn't even have receivers, speakers or TVs that let them take advantage of blu-ray. They'll buy the PS3, realize what it can do and buy the gear that lets them get what they want out of it.

This is sort of my situation here. I had the TV first, though I could stand to have a larger 1080p TV in the future.

I got my PS3 audio hooked up through optical. I saw the need to buy a new reciever after buying the PS3, and thus I am doing so hopefully next month. It looks and sounds good already, but it could always be better. I really want to take advantage of all of the advanced codecs.

[rogman]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Outputting as PCM is a perfectly sensible solution and anyone knowing about advanced codecs will be able to quickly figure out that's the way to go. The mass market will probably have the PS3 audio hooked up via optical or even RCA, so it won't matter. It's myopic to say these options "delay mass market acceptance of Blu-ray" when the average consumer doesn't even have receivers, speakers or TVs that let them take advantage of blu-ray. They'll buy the PS3, realize what it can do and buy the gear that lets them get what they want out of it.

Excuse my 'myopicness'? 'myopicocity'? Uh-hem... 'myopia'

What you said is very true about the 'average consumer' not having receiver, speakers, etc. Although the TV part is gradually changing as more and more people by HDTVs w/2009 fast approaching. Again true that far too many people are still using RCA cables, etc. However, that hasn't stopped DVDs from being a mass market product, has it? I'm totally with you on certain points and I cringe when people I know buy an HDTV, and an upsampling DVD player, and then proceed to connect it using the composite cables shipped with the unit. They listen to it thru their crappy TV speakers and thing they're "all that".

BUT....

My point was that I wish manufacturers would do their part in bring the best possible picture and sound to the masses without John Q. Public having to adjust settings, buy new cables, etc. How many Blu-ray players ship with an HDMI cable? That's the kind of thing that delays (note I didn't say 'prevents') mass market acceptance of a product. Of course price is another issue (which is why there's no HDMI cable in the box), but that will work itself out in time.

And, thanks for helping me prove my point also. Your first sentence about "Outputting as PCM is a perfectly sensible solution and anyone knowing about advanced codecs will be able to quickly figure out that's the way to go." Of course it is! To you, and to me, and to most of the readers of this forum. (Thank God!) BUT, does your mom, dad, grandpa, sister, uncle want to have to understand this 'perfectly sensible solution'. THEY (in general terms, of course) represent the 'mass market', not necessarily us AV/Home theater enthusiasts.

If manufacturers just gave 'the masses' everything they need 'out of the box' to enjoy the best possible audio and video that Blu-ray has to offer, we'd all be better off. More movies, and players quicker and cheaper...

OK. I'm putting my 'soap box' away now... Thanks for listening.

[kingofgrills]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

The only time you would want to switch to bitstream is playing back certain dvd soundtracks like DTS ES 6.1 found on a few discs. The PS3 doesn't decode those properly and discards the extra flags found in those dvd soundtracks. This is not a problem for most 5.1 audio soundtracks on dvd though.

Are you sure? I'm not disputing with you on this - I just never heard of this issue before. The PS3 won't properly decode and transmit DTS ES 6.1 as LPCM 6.1? I assume the same holds true for DD EX 6.1 then too? That seems like a really basic thing to miss.

Hopefully a future firmware upgrade will take care of this.

[Pelican170]

I like to have my Receiver doing the decoding when possible over the player, but just a personal preference.