What do you REALLY think . . . - Blu-ray Forum

backtothecanvas · 05-23-2008, 06:31 PM

I know there is a post dedicated to some of this, but . . .
I own a 52 inch lcd tv that was capable of full pixel picture display. Naturally i want to use the tv and get the best PQ possible, but it makes me crazy sometimes to see that "full pixel" FURTHER INCREASES the size of the black bars by over 4 total inches top and bottom. This being said i am losing over 8 sq inches of my 52 inch tv . . . am i complaining? kind of. They speak about the OAR being captured in blu ray by the directors vision of the film. Well every tv doesnt offer full pixel . . . so whats the true oar?? Is true OAR "full pixel" and what ever oar the movie is in? or is true OAR non full pixel?

Last night i was guilty of the "zoom" feature to show my wife the entire tv filled up. She asked why we dont watch it like this its so much bigger and our tv was $3000 after warranty why not use it all. I tryed to explain OAR and how much you see left to right of unzoomed scenes. Anyways what do you really thing of all of this? You ever zoom in and think "wow look how big my tv just got?"

X-Ninja · 05-23-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by backtothecanvas

I know there is a post dedicated to some of this, but . . .
I own a 52 inch lcd tv that was capable of full pixel picture display. Naturally i want to use the tv and get the best PQ possible, but it makes me crazy sometimes to see that "full pixel" FURTHER INCREASES the size of the black bars by over 4 total inches top and bottom. This being said i am losing over 8 sq inches of my 52 inch tv . . . am i complaining? kind of. They speak about the OAR being captured in blu ray by the directors vision of the film. Well every tv doesnt offer full pixel . . . so whats the true oar?? Is true OAR "full pixel" and what ever oar the movie is in? or is true OAR non full pixel?

Last night i was guilty of the "zoom" feature to show my wife the entire tv filled up. She asked why we dont watch it like this its so much bigger and our tv was $3000 after warranty why not use it all. I tryed to explain OAR and how much you see left to right of unzoomed scenes. Anyways what do you really thing of all of this? You ever zoom in and think "wow look how big my tv just got?"

Yes, But then i think afterwards- "Wow. ...Adam Sandler's head is now circular.

" (I just watched Billy Madison.

)

Riff Magnum · 05-23-2008, 06:42 PM

I know a lot of people who are annoyed by the black bars and insist on buying fullscreen movies. Most of them are women. Me, I like to see the movie the way it was intended by the director, whether it be 16:9 or 4:3, but zooming in on a widescreen presentation just to fill up the screen looks like complete butt.

pkorsberg · 05-23-2008, 06:49 PM

I prefer widescreen... I want to see the movie the way it was intended... if you really think about it, if the movie is any good, once you're totally engulfed into the story, the lines disappear... heck, watching b&w movies from the 30's and 40's... after a while you forget it's b&w...

backtothecanvas · 05-23-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by X-Ninja

Yes, But then i think afterwards- "Wow. ...Adam Sandler's head is now circular.

" (I just watched Billy Madison.

)

no one has touched on the fact that full pixel further increases the black bars. whats the actual OAR in a movie? people who own full pixel sets and watch in OAR? or people with non full pixel who watch films in OAR? Full pixel adds 2 more inches of black bar to the top and 2 more inches of black bar to the bottom with a grand total of 8 inches all together. while people viewing on a 52 inch set without full pixel get around 6 inches of black bar . . . whos getting the OAR?

Jhodi · 05-26-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Riff Magnum

I know a lot of people who are annoyed by the black bars and insist on buying fullscreen movies. Most of them are women. Me, I like to see the movie the way it was intended by the director, whether it be 16:9 or 4:3, but zooming in on a widescreen presentation just to fill up the screen looks like complete butt.

Most of them are women? Really?

What evidence do you have of this?

crackinhedz · 05-26-2008, 10:57 PM

List of Bluray Movies in 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 aspect ratio

...these will give you the "no black bars" look.

KidA · 05-26-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhodi

Most of them are women? Really?

What evidence do you have of this?

Actually, I can verify this. The only people in my family (and my wife's HUGE family) who complain about the black bars/prefer full screen are women.

Jhodi · 05-26-2008, 11:16 PM

Well here's a female vote for preferring how the film was originally intended to be viewed.

Just for the record.

Siri · 05-26-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhodi

Well here's a female vote for preferring how the film was originally intended to be viewed.

Just for the record.

+1

It kills me a little bit inside to see someone watching a dvd and use the option to fill up the whole screen.

U4K61 · 05-27-2008, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jhodi

Well here's a female vote for preferring how the film was originally intended to be viewed.

Just for the record.

Welcome! Glad you are on the right side of the HD fence! I enjoy sharing the DB experience with others, and how they can have a good setup without spending an unnecessary amount of money. Or at the very least, use what they have to its fullest with the proper viewing of anamorphic DVD.

But it burns me to this day to have had a girl tell me once about a year ago that "HDTV is just a new look to get people to buy something new". She owns a 4:3 LCD and views full screen DVD via composite video. So she is right if that is her setup.

Looks like I will be getting my computer A+ certification long before I can fix that one.

Suggestions?

dobyblue · 05-27-2008, 04:38 PM

I'm guessing that "FULL PIXEL" means dot for dot?
In which case it doesn't "increase" the black bars, it puts them where they're supposed to be.

Black bars are probably more noticeable on an LCD, but with a CRT or plasma you should be able to calibrate them so they completely disappear when watching your movie. It should look the same shape as when you saw the movie at the cinema.

Riff Magnum · 05-27-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhodi

Most of them are women? Really?

What evidence do you have of this?

ummm, evidence? Dunno how i can prove something like that. It's simple really. The only people i hear complain about black bars are women. Not trying to be sexist or insist that all women prefer fullscreen or some crap like that. Just my experience.

rubberghost · 05-27-2008, 05:07 PM

i wouldn't worry about added black bar. i would be happier over added view, (as in, you can view MORE of the scene). i can't imagine choosing size over quality. quality in resolution, and theatrical quality.

dobyblue · 05-27-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Riff Magnum

ummm, evidence? Dunno how i can prove something like that. It's simple really. The only people i hear complain about black bars are women. Not trying to be sexist or insist that all women prefer fullscreen or some crap like that. Just my experience.

My experience has been young kids, mostly males, and/or seniors.
I don't even bother explaining anymore. I wish more studios would do what Sony did with Spider-man 3 and not even release a FULL SCREEN version.

JasonR · 05-27-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

I'm guessing that "FULL PIXEL" means dot for dot?
In which case it doesn't "increase" the black bars, it puts them where they're supposed to be.

Black bars are probably more noticeable on an LCD, but with a CRT or plasma you should be able to calibrate them so they completely disappear when watching your movie. It should look the same shape as when you saw the movie at the cinema.

This is what he was getting at. It is the 1:1 pixel feature on Sony LCDs.

Xerious · 05-27-2008, 05:40 PM

another black bars thread? someone toss the OP a wheel of cheese go with their whine. i think some people love their TVs more than they love their movies.

Michael.Schinke · 05-27-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonR

This is what he was getting at. It is the 1:1 pixel feature on Sony LCDs.

That seems to be the case. I have a Samsung 32" monitor with a feature marked "Just Scan". This is like the Sony 1:1 mode I think. I was actually surprised to find that the 16:9 mode actually reduced the overall viewable image area.

JasonS · 05-27-2008, 10:26 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but people who use zoom truly aren't movie fans or PQ fans. Doesn't zooming in the picture take the same amount of pixels and try to stretch it over a larger space which decreses the image quality and cuts off part of the movie??

U4K61 · 05-28-2008, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonS

Correct me if I'm wrong but people who use zoom truly aren't movie fans or PQ fans. Doesn't zooming in the picture take the same amount of pixels and try to stretch it over a larger space which decreses the image quality and cuts off part of the movie??

Yes it cuts off part of the image and lowers resolution just so you can fill the screen. It did, however, help solve the problem with some DVD movies that were widescreen letter-boxed only (non anamorphic) being shown on a 16:9 set.

The zoom control: butcher the director's cut 101. Goes along side sharpness controls and DNR.

05-23-2008, 06:31 PM	#1
backtothecanvas Active Member Member since:Mar 2008 Home Theater Gallery:20	What do you REALLY think . . . I know there is a post dedicated to some of this, but . . . I own a 52 inch lcd tv that was capable of full pixel picture display. Naturally i want to use the tv and get the best PQ possible, but it makes me crazy sometimes to see that "full pixel" FURTHER INCREASES the size of the black bars by over 4 total inches top and bottom. This being said i am losing over 8 sq inches of my 52 inch tv . . . am i complaining? kind of. They speak about the OAR being captured in blu ray by the directors vision of the film. Well every tv doesnt offer full pixel . . . so whats the true oar?? Is true OAR "full pixel" and what ever oar the movie is in? or is true OAR non full pixel? Last night i was guilty of the "zoom" feature to show my wife the entire tv filled up. She asked why we dont watch it like this its so much bigger and our tv was $3000 after warranty why not use it all. I tryed to explain OAR and how much you see left to right of unzoomed scenes. Anyways what do you really thing of all of this? You ever zoom in and think "wow look how big my tv just got?"

05-27-2008, 05:40 PM	#17
Xerious Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray collection:238 Blu-ray reviews:4	another black bars thread? someone toss the OP a wheel of cheese go with their whine. i think some people love their TVs more than they love their movies. Last edited by Xerious; 05-27-2008 at 05:42 PM.

05-23-2008, 06:42 PM	#3
Riff Magnum Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2008 Location:The Island Blu-ray collection:149	I know a lot of people who are annoyed by the black bars and insist on buying fullscreen movies. Most of them are women. Me, I like to see the movie the way it was intended by the director, whether it be 16:9 or 4:3, but zooming in on a widescreen presentation just to fill up the screen looks like complete butt.

05-23-2008, 06:49 PM	#4
pkorsberg New Member Member since:May 2008	I prefer widescreen... I want to see the movie the way it was intended... if you really think about it, if the movie is any good, once you're totally engulfed into the story, the lines disappear... heck, watching b&w movies from the 30's and 40's... after a while you forget it's b&w...

05-26-2008, 10:57 PM	#7
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	List of Bluray Movies in 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 aspect ratio ...these will give you the "no black bars" look.

05-26-2008, 11:16 PM	#9
Jhodi Active Member Member since:May 2008	Well here's a female vote for preferring how the film was originally intended to be viewed. Just for the record.

05-27-2008, 04:38 PM	#12
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	I'm guessing that "FULL PIXEL" means dot for dot? In which case it doesn't "increase" the black bars, it puts them where they're supposed to be. Black bars are probably more noticeable on an LCD, but with a CRT or plasma you should be able to calibrate them so they completely disappear when watching your movie. It should look the same shape as when you saw the movie at the cinema.

05-27-2008, 05:07 PM	#14
rubberghost Expert Member Member since:May 2008 Location:the sub-matrix Blu-ray reviews:4	i wouldn't worry about added black bar. i would be happier over added view, (as in, you can view MORE of the scene). i can't imagine choosing size over quality. quality in resolution, and theatrical quality.

05-27-2008, 10:26 PM	#19
JasonS Special Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Denver, CO Blu-ray collection:107 Trading Score:76	Correct me if I'm wrong but people who use zoom truly aren't movie fans or PQ fans. Doesn't zooming in the picture take the same amount of pixels and try to stretch it over a larger space which decreses the image quality and cuts off part of the movie??

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