How does upconverting work with multiple upconverting devices? - Blu-ray Forum

ridergroov1 · 10-08-2010, 11:49 PM

Hi folks. I'm wondering how upconverting works when you have a blu ray player, receiver, and TV that all upconvert? Which one takes precedence or do they all do some conversion to achieve the best result? Can you configure which one does the conversion? Thanks.

BIslander · 10-09-2010, 12:39 AM

It's pretty much under your control.

The display is always going to output at its native resolution. If you have a 1080p set, it will upscale any input less than 1080. That happens without user intervention and you can't tell the display to change resolutions.

Players do not allow for upscaling DVDs over the component outputs. You get a 480 output and that's it.

With HDMI, most players force the user to set a single resolution for all sources. You set the output to 1080p and the player upscales any source less than that. So, if you want to do the upscaling somewhere else, you would need to adjust the player set-up when switching from Blu-ray to DVD, which is not very practical. A few players offer "source direct", which outputs whatever resolution is on the disc. That works well for people who want to do the upscaling downstream from the player - people with video processors, for example.

The receiver sits in the middle. AVRs with video processors can be set to pass through whatever resolution arrives from the source or to do the upscaling. But, if your player is already sending 1080p, then there isn't much point. The AVR won't upscale it again.

If you have separate DVD player, then you can decide where you want to do the upscaling. It will only be one or the three devices. Your choice.

ridergroov1 · 10-09-2010, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BIslander

It's pretty much under your control.

The display is always going to output at its native resolution. If you have a 1080p set, it will upscale any input less than 1080. That happens without user intervention and you can't tell the display to change resolutions.

Players do not allow for upscaling DVDs over the component outputs. You get a 480 output and that's it.

With HDMI, most players force the user to set a single resolution for all sources. You set the output to 1080p and the player upscales any source less than that. So, if you want to do the upscaling somewhere else, you would need to adjust the player set-up when switching from Blu-ray to DVD, which is not very practical. A few players offer "source direct", which outputs whatever resolution is on the disc. That works well for people who want to do the upscaling downstream from the player - people with video processors, for example.

The receiver sits in the middle. AVRs with video processors can be set to pass through whatever resolution arrives from the source or to do the upscaling. But, if your player is already sending 1080p, then there isn't much point. The AVR won't upscale it again.

If you have separate DVD player, then you can decide where you want to do the upscaling. It will only be one or the three devices. Your choice.

I'm guessing the Anchor Bay chip in my receiver is the way to go. I'm guessing that none of this is relevant when playing blu rays as they are already 1080p right? Also, if something enters a unit as 1080p it's not even going to try to upconvert because it's already 1080p I'm assuming correct?

LordoftheRings · 10-09-2010, 02:34 AM

Your Onkyo receiver does not have the Anchor Bay video processor but the Faroudja DCDi Edge.

* Your Panny BD player is set to 1080P, and it will do a good job too with DVDs.
* Your Sammy TV is already receiving 1080P from your BD player.
* And your Onkyo receiver is set to Video "Passthrough".

~ This is all from the HDMI connection.

And from the Cable TV or Satellite TV, or XBox 360, you'll have to check if your receiver or TV does a better job.
To check for your receiver, set it to 1080P.
To check for your TV, set your receiver to "Passthrough".
Just pick the one you prefer visually.

ridergroov1 · 10-09-2010, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Your Onkyo receiver does not have the Anchor Bay video processor but the Faroudja DCDi Edge.

* Your Panny BD player is set to 1080P, and it will do a good job too with DVDs.
* Your Sammy TV is already receiving 1080P from your BD player.
* And your Onkyo receiver is set to Video "Passthrough".

~ This is all from the HDMI connection.

And from the Cable TV or Satellite TV, or XBox 360, you'll have to check if your receiver or TV does a better job.
To check for your receiver, set it to 1080P.
To check for your TV, set your receiver to "Passthrough".
Just pick the one you prefer visually.

Will do. Thanks for the info. 2310ci will be here next week. R.I.P. HT-RC180

LordoftheRings · 10-09-2010, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ridergroov1

Will do. Thanks for the info. 2310ci will be here next week. R.I.P. HT-RC180

Oh I see now!

...Yup, the Denon 2310 has the ABT2010 from Anchor Bay, a very good video processor.

* What made you decide the switch from your Onkyo to the Denon?

ridergroov1 · 10-09-2010, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Oh I see now!

...Yup, the Denon 2310 has the ABT2010 from Anchor Bay, a very good video processor.

* What made you decide the switch from your Onkyo to the Denon?

Well, I can't remember if you were on the other thread I was talking about this. Basically I had some nasty high pitch noise when I turned up my system when I was bitstreaming HD audio from Blus so I decided to exchange it for a new one then I got worried that it might just be the parts in that unit so I decided to go with a totally different system, the 2310. Aside from that, I like playing with different/new toys

I have read nothing but great stuff about the 2310ci so i thought that was a good choice and that was also my other choice when I was deciding between the two. Cant' wait to get it.

LordoftheRings · 10-09-2010, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ridergroov1

Well, I can't remember if you were on the other thread I was talking about this. Basically I had some nasty high pitch noise when I turned up my system when I was bitstreaming HD audio from Blus so I decided to exchange it for a new one then I got worried that it might just be the parts in that unit so I decided to go with a totally different system, the 2310. Aside from that, I like playing with different/new toys

I have read nothing but great stuff about the 2310ci so i thought that was a good choice and that was also my other choice when I was deciding between the two. Cant' wait to get it.

You got some great gear and speakers, I would have go with the 3311CI.

...Or the 4310CI.

Here's a Denon AVR-3311CI receiver for sale in mint condition for only $700, and from a very reliable seller!

-> @ http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/i...y&thread=13840

...Only for you!

headcheese_bbq · 10-11-2010, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

You got some great gear and speakers, I would have go with the 3311CI.

...Or the 4310CI.

Here's a Denon AVR-3311CI receiver for sale in mint condition for only $700, and from a very reliable seller!

-> @ http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/i...y&thread=13840

...Only for you!

Same kinda deal I just got....believe me, you won't be disappointed with the 3311ci....its a bad ass unit.

ridergroov1 · 10-11-2010, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

You got some great gear and speakers, I would have go with the 3311CI.

...Or the 4310CI.

Here's a Denon AVR-3311CI receiver for sale in mint condition for only $700, and from a very reliable seller!

-> @ http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/i...y&thread=13840

...Only for you!

I'm sure it's an awesome unit. I just don't have the need for the extras nor do I have the cash

Also, I think that guy is asking a bit much. Amazon has it for $629 NIB.

EDIT: I'm wrong, they have the 3310ci for $629.

headcheese_bbq · 10-11-2010, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ridergroov1

I'm sure it's an awesome unit. I just don't have the need for the extras nor do I have the cash

Also, I think that guy is asking a bit much. Amazon has it for $629 NIB.

EDIT: I'm wrong, they have the 3310ci for $629.

Yeah 3311ci goes for above a grand NIB. Currently $1200 at magnolia...

LordoftheRings · 10-12-2010, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ridergroov1

I'm sure it's an awesome unit. I just don't have the need for the extras nor do I have the cash

Also, I think that guy is asking a bit much. Amazon has it for $629 NIB.

EDIT: I'm wrong, they have the 3310ci for $629.

You got me going for a few secs here!

10-08-2010, 11:49 PM	#1
ridergroov1 Senior Member Member since:Dec 2008 4K collection:64 Blu-ray collection:70 Blu-ray reviews:1	How does upconverting work with multiple upconverting devices? Hi folks. I'm wondering how upconverting works when you have a blu ray player, receiver, and TV that all upconvert? Which one takes precedence or do they all do some conversion to achieve the best result? Can you configure which one does the conversion? Thanks.

10-09-2010, 02:34 AM	#4
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	Your Onkyo receiver does not have the Anchor Bay video processor but the Faroudja DCDi Edge. * Your Panny BD player is set to 1080P, and it will do a good job too with DVDs. * Your Sammy TV is already receiving 1080P from your BD player. * And your Onkyo receiver is set to Video "Passthrough". ~ This is all from the HDMI connection. And from the Cable TV or Satellite TV, or XBox 360, you'll have to check if your receiver or TV does a better job. To check for your receiver, set it to 1080P. To check for your TV, set your receiver to "Passthrough". Just pick the one you prefer visually. Last edited by LordoftheRings; 10-09-2010 at 02:36 AM.

10-09-2010, 12:39 AM	#2
BIslander Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Bainbridge Island, WA	It's pretty much under your control. The display is always going to output at its native resolution. If you have a 1080p set, it will upscale any input less than 1080. That happens without user intervention and you can't tell the display to change resolutions. Players do not allow for upscaling DVDs over the component outputs. You get a 480 output and that's it. With HDMI, most players force the user to set a single resolution for all sources. You set the output to 1080p and the player upscales any source less than that. So, if you want to do the upscaling somewhere else, you would need to adjust the player set-up when switching from Blu-ray to DVD, which is not very practical. A few players offer "source direct", which outputs whatever resolution is on the disc. That works well for people who want to do the upscaling downstream from the player - people with video processors, for example. The receiver sits in the middle. AVRs with video processors can be set to pass through whatever resolution arrives from the source or to do the upscaling. But, if your player is already sending 1080p, then there isn't much point. The AVR won't upscale it again. If you have separate DVD player, then you can decide where you want to do the upscaling. It will only be one or the three devices. Your choice.

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